Our Pre Existence

[buddyt]

I have been challenged as to our Pre Existing before this earth Age. The Earth is much older than 6,000 Years and we have been around much before that. Here is some of what the Bible has to say about that.

Why is it we have so many Chirstans who don't believe in our Pre Existing before 6,000 years ago. All I can come up with is more False Teachings or just unlearned.
We know of science and carbon dating. Different fossils found across the Earth. Carbon Dating proving the age of these fossils.
So without doubt we know the Earth is older than 6,000 years.
We were here long long before this 6,000 year date.
The book of Genesis 1:28 God said to REPLENISH the Earth. I'm sure most know the meaning of replenish.
2 Peter 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens WERE of OLD and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. 6 Whereby the world that THEN WAS being overflowed with water perished. 7 But the heavens and the earth witch are now by the same word are kept in store reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Peter explains it very well.
I know some say this is the flood of Noah's time but that's not so. Read on.
Jeremiah 4:22-26 For my people is foolish they have not known me they are sottish children and they have none understanding they are wise to do evil but to do good they have no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth and lo it was without form and void and the heavens and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains and lo they TREMBLED and all the HILLS MOVED LIGHTLY. 25 I beheld and lo there was NO MAN and all the BIRDS of the heavens were FLED. These verses tell us how it was when and after God shook the Heavens and the Earth. This is what moved us into the Earth age we are in now.

 

[Magenta]

I am not sure what you mean here... are you talking about each person's pre-existence? Or the fact that humans as a species have been on the earth for longer than some assume?

 

[trofimus]

As Magenta said, I am also not sure what kind of pre-existence you have in mind...

I agree that the Universe is not 6000 years old, though.

 

[Johnny_B]

Genesis 1:28 "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

The Lord is saying this to Adam and Eve, if the word meant re-fill the earth it would be proper because the Lord had already filled it and Adam and Eve multiply what God had created or have dominion over it.

The word replenish is only in the KJV, but if you go to the Oxford Dictionary and read the definitions of the word, out of six definitions there is only one that means refill, that's a look at the english word, if you look at the Hebrew word it means, fill, filled or full, not refill, if you look at verse 22 you'll see the same word translated "fill", if you look at 22 and 28 paralleled you get a better understanding of 28 through 22.

As far as carbon dating it's for organic material, it doesn't work on fossils or rocks, a simple read of wikipedia will tell you that. Here's a science site that is saying that carbon dating isn't as accurate as once thought and that it's for organic material. The idea that CD can tell us that something is billions of years old is impossible because it can only detect the carbon half life with is 5,730 years. Here's an article on carbon dating, how it's not as accurate as once thought. https://www.labmate-online.com/news/news-and-views/5/breaking_news/how_accurate_is_carbon_dating/30144

The earth is quite possibly very old but we don't know for sure. Genesis does say the earth was without form and void, since verse 3 starts with "Then" no one knows if there was a period of time between verses 2 and 3, does "Then" mean after some time or is it immediately after verse 2, no one knows. Notice each time God creates after a day, the verse starts, "then" so we know that it's the beginning of a new period of time, is it the same in verse 3, again don't know.

Your idea, would mean that there were people before Adam and Eve that God judged with a flood. The heavens and earth of old is referring to the original creation, it's not the same after the flood as it was when God created it. I've read your theory before about 30 plus years ago, how those peoples souls are the demons and all that nonsense. Read the context of the paragraph, verse 2, "that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets," To remember what the prophets talked about, verse 7 "are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." the context of the paragraph is about God's judgement on ungodly people, as were those in the days of Noah.

Many read Genesis 1:6-8 it says there is water below the heaven and above it, many believe that it was that water that came on the earth as part of the flood with the water from the great fountains of the deep and the rain, where it says the windows of heaven opened up, it let the water above the heaven come on the earth, read 7:11. That water is no longer there, that why the creation now and the creation then are different.

You need to read other translations then just the KJV, it will help you understand the Bible better or you can apply Jeremiah 4:22-26 to yourself.

 

[bestbefore1973]

I have been challenged as to our Pre Existing before this earth Age. The Earth is much older than 6,000 Years and we have been around much before that. Here is some of what the Bible has to say about that.

Why is it we have so many Chirstans who don't believe in our Pre Existing before 6,000 years ago. All I can come up with is more False Teachings or just unlearned.
We know of science and carbon dating. Different fossils found across the Earth. Carbon Dating proving the age of these fossils.
So without doubt we know the Earth is older than 6,000 years.
We were here long long before this 6,000 year date.
The book of Genesis 1:28 God said to REPLENISH the Earth. I'm sure most know the meaning of replenish.
2 Peter 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens WERE of OLD and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. 6 Whereby the world that THEN WAS being overflowed with water perished. 7 But the heavens and the earth witch are now by the same word are kept in store reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Peter explains it very well.
I know some say this is the flood of Noah's time but that's not so. Read on.
Jeremiah 4:22-26 For my people is foolish they have not known me they are sottish children and they have none understanding they are wise to do evil but to do good they have no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth and lo it was without form and void and the heavens and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains and lo they TREMBLED and all the HILLS MOVED LIGHTLY. 25 I beheld and lo there was NO MAN and all the BIRDS of the heavens were FLED. These verses tell us how it was when and after God shook the Heavens and the Earth. This is what moved us into the Earth age we are in now.

I think I know what you're alluding too, keep going you're on the right track.

 

[stonesoffire]

I believe that there was an age before our present one that started with A&E. I was taught that it ended with the ice age. Makes sense to me. Also that Job was part of the previous age.

Called the gap theory but is more than a theory. IMO.

 

[p_rehbein]

We know of science and carbon dating. Different fossils found across the Earth. Carbon Dating proving the age of these fossils.


Just FYI........carbon dating has it's faults.......it is not without debate as being worthy of Scientific Proof...........


So without doubt we know the Earth is older than 6,000 years.


Do you know anyone who was alive 6,000 years ago that can testify to this? We do not know much about the History/Creation of the Earth "without a doubt," except that God created it.........and, even then, there are anti-Christs who doubt that............soooo

anyway..........just a couple of thoughts

 

[p_rehbein]

There is then a ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in the bodies of plants, humans, and other animals that can fluctuate, but will be fixed at the time of death. After death, the carbon-14 would begin to decay at the rate stated above. In 1948, Dr. W.F. Libby introduced the carbon-14 dating method at the University of Chicago. The premise behind the method is to determine the ratio of carbon-14 left in organic matter, and by doing so, estimate how long ago death occurred by running the ratio backwards. The accuracy of this method, however, relies on several faulty assumptions.
First, for carbon-14 dating to be accurate, one must assume the rate of decay of carbon-14 has remained constant over the years. However, evidence indicates that the opposite is true. Experiments have been performed using the radioactive isotopes of uranium-238 and iron-57, and have shown that rates can and do vary. In fact, changing the environments surrounding the samples can alter decay rates.
The second faulty assumption is that the rate of carbon-14 formation has remained constant over the years. There are a few reasons to believe this assumption is erroneous. The industrial revolution greatly increased the amount of carbon-12 released into the atmosphere through the burning of coal. Also, the atomic bomb testing around 1950 caused a rise in neutrons, which increased carbon-14 concentrations. The great flood which Noah and family survived would have uprooted and/or buried entire forests. This would decrease the release of carbon-12 to the atmosphere through the decay of vegetation.

THE PROBLEMS WITH CARBON-14 DATING

 

[pottersclay]

My question is....Why do we need to know?....theory after theory...let's debate a theory.