Staying Saved (1Peter 4:18)
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You're right. It's a gift. One available to all. I'm talking about those that have opened the gift and not let it sit wrapped.
He has become a part of you. He has made you a new creation. He lives in you. How do you become an un-new creation?
The ingestion analogy may not be perfect, but it illustrates that once something becomes a part of you you CAN'T separate yourself from Him.
NOTHING can separate you from Him once He makes you a new creation and comes to dwell in you. YOU ARE SEALED!
Why do you think John wept so convulsively when he thought there was NO ONE who could break the seal. I understand that was a different seal, but the idea remains the same. YOU CAN'T break His seal.
Embrace that. It will free you.
He has become a part of you. He has made you a new creation. He lives in you. How do you become an un-new creation?
The ingestion analogy may not be perfect, but it illustrates that once something becomes a part of you you CAN'T separate yourself from Him.
NOTHING can separate you from Him once He makes you a new creation and comes to dwell in you. YOU ARE SEALED!
Why do you think John wept so convulsively when he thought there was NO ONE who could break the seal. I understand that was a different seal, but the idea remains the same. YOU CAN'T break His seal.
Embrace that. It will free you.
Pardon me sir but I'm not sure you know how to interpret the Bible, maybe I can help. If someone is truly saved they can't lose their salvation by committing sins nor can they keep it by doing good deeds. In eph. 2:8,9 it says that its by grace that we are saved by faith not by works so no man can boast. This is taught many times in the N.T. Furthermore how could good works keep anyone saved. The Bible says that you should love the Lord your God with all your heart all your soul all your mind and all your strength and that's all the time and you need to love your neighbor as yourself. Do you do that sir? If not you are living in sin, if you think you can keep God's Law you are deceived. The harshest words that Christ spoke was against people being self-righteous, read Matt. Chapter 23. We serve Jesus Christ and strive not to sin not so we can be forgiven but out of gratitude toward God because we are already forgiven. Take a lot at Eph. 4:32 Be kind to one another forgiving just as Christ has forgiven you. I would encourage you to seek the Lord for insight into this matter. The message that you are speaking is clearly false.
When we're stay in love with him nobody can separate us from him KJVRomans8;38-39 38. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39. Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The prodigal son is a great example of one who backslid but returned to the father. The father was overwhelmed and ready to accept him once more. The parable answers the question of did the son walk away on his own in verse 24 and 32. If we dont remain in Christ we are dead and only good to be thrown in the fire and burned.
[h=1]Luke 15:24-32New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’[/FONT]
[FONT="]31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”
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[FONT="]4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.[/FONT]
[h=1]Luke 15:24-32New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’[/FONT]
[FONT="]31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”
John 15[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.[/FONT]
The son was no longer denying self and serving his father but living for self in which as the father said he was on the path to death but the son chose to return to his father in repentance and the Father was more than willing to embrace him once more.
FollowingGod as a bondservant is a choice we must make. Completely surrendering our selfish will to follow and do the will of our father. This is true faith 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
As we surrender to Christ this allows him to work in us teaching us a love for him produces action. Surrender is a day to day action that we in faith choose to abide in Christ and trust in the promises of the Gospel. 23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
The old human nature is still part of us making us self-seeking. This is why we must go against our nature daily and trust God can make us more like Christ as we follow Christ.
Bondservant- these words mean the breaking and collapse of my independence brought about by my own hands and the surrendering of my life to the supremacy of the Lord Jesus. No one can do this for me, I must do it myself. God may bring me up to this point three hundred and sixty-five times a year, but He cannot push me through it. It means breaking the hard outer layer of my individual independence from God, and the liberating of myself and my nature into oneness with Him; not following my own ideas, but choosing absolute loyalty to Jesus.
FollowingGod as a bondservant is a choice we must make. Completely surrendering our selfish will to follow and do the will of our father. This is true faith 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
As we surrender to Christ this allows him to work in us teaching us a love for him produces action. Surrender is a day to day action that we in faith choose to abide in Christ and trust in the promises of the Gospel. 23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
The old human nature is still part of us making us self-seeking. This is why we must go against our nature daily and trust God can make us more like Christ as we follow Christ.
Bondservant- these words mean the breaking and collapse of my independence brought about by my own hands and the surrendering of my life to the supremacy of the Lord Jesus. No one can do this for me, I must do it myself. God may bring me up to this point three hundred and sixty-five times a year, but He cannot push me through it. It means breaking the hard outer layer of my individual independence from God, and the liberating of myself and my nature into oneness with Him; not following my own ideas, but choosing absolute loyalty to Jesus.
I did not feel like typing this but it's time people understand what Paul was saying. The seal is a mark of the Holy Spirit nothing in scripture says that this automatically secures you. In fact the word seal in greek is 4972 spharagizo. This word is from 4973 spharagis "a seal". Basically the same word in greek is used for the seal on the tomb that was broken, the seals in revelations scrolls will be opened and also implying a king's signet ring marking what is his. It's only a promise to the obedient. So to the obedient, it is a promise we can hold onto.
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13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.[/FONT]
Deposit guarantee in greek is the word arrabon meaning an earnest payment.
[h=1]Ephesians 1:14King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.[/FONT]
An earnest payment is a specific form of security deposit made in some major transactions and when the transaction is settled then the deposit is applied to the buyer's portion of the remaining costs. If the offer is rejected, the earnest money is usually returned, since no binding contract has been entered into.
Indicating the offer can be rejected if the one looking to follow God, does not fulfill his side of the pledge( sufficient proof) highlighted in red below...........
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: arrabón
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-hrab-ohn')
Short Definition: an earnest, earnest-money
Definition: an earnest, earnest-money, a large part of the payment, given in advance as a security that the whole will be paid afterwards.HELPS Word-studies
728 arrhabṓn – properly, an installment; a deposit ("down-payment") which guarantees the balance (the full purchase-price).
728 /arrhabṓn ("down-payment pledge") is the regular term in NT times for "earnest-money," i.e. advance-payment that guarantees the rest will be given. 728 (arrhabṓn) then represents full security backed by the purchaser who supplies sufficient proof they will fulfill the entire pledge (promise).
What is sufficient proof? Probably a believer who remains faithful in obedience to the end. To the faithful we are marked and in our relationship with Christ, we can trust in his promise of our inheritance until the day of redemption once we die in flesh and live in spirit.
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13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.[/FONT]
Deposit guarantee in greek is the word arrabon meaning an earnest payment.
[h=1]Ephesians 1:14King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.[/FONT]
An earnest payment is a specific form of security deposit made in some major transactions and when the transaction is settled then the deposit is applied to the buyer's portion of the remaining costs. If the offer is rejected, the earnest money is usually returned, since no binding contract has been entered into.
Indicating the offer can be rejected if the one looking to follow God, does not fulfill his side of the pledge( sufficient proof) highlighted in red below...........
arrabón: an earnest (a part payment in advance for security)
Original Word: ἀρραβών, ῶνος, ὁPart of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: arrabón
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-hrab-ohn')
Short Definition: an earnest, earnest-money
Definition: an earnest, earnest-money, a large part of the payment, given in advance as a security that the whole will be paid afterwards.HELPS Word-studies
728 arrhabṓn – properly, an installment; a deposit ("down-payment") which guarantees the balance (the full purchase-price).
728 /arrhabṓn ("down-payment pledge") is the regular term in NT times for "earnest-money," i.e. advance-payment that guarantees the rest will be given. 728 (arrhabṓn) then represents full security backed by the purchaser who supplies sufficient proof they will fulfill the entire pledge (promise).
What is sufficient proof? Probably a believer who remains faithful in obedience to the end. To the faithful we are marked and in our relationship with Christ, we can trust in his promise of our inheritance until the day of redemption once we die in flesh and live in spirit.
[h=1]Ephesians 1:13-14King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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[FONT="]14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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The problem with this line of thought is that there was an old covenant and now there is a new covenant, right? So, we are in the new covenant. The point isn't that there was an old one and now a new one, only that we are in a covenant. Therefore you say "if the offer is rejected" and yet, it wasn't rejected. We believed, placed faith in Christ, and have received the forgiveness of sins. We are in a covenant with God that is based upon faith in Christ. It is rest.
We are born-again, filled with the Holy Spirit, and He will never leave us, nor forsake us. Our obedience may signify our active walk with God, and be a representation of our faith, but keep in mind scripture does say some sleep.
1 Thessalonians 5:6-10 King James Version (KJV)
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Let us remember that we are saved by grace through faith, not of works lest any man boast.
We are born-again, filled with the Holy Spirit, and He will never leave us, nor forsake us. Our obedience may signify our active walk with God, and be a representation of our faith, but keep in mind scripture does say some sleep.
1 Thessalonians 5:6-10 King James Version (KJV)
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Let us remember that we are saved by grace through faith, not of works lest any man boast.
And part of the ingredients of faith is a person who surrenders by their own will to the truth in Christ. That's the only thing in the new covenant we must do to secure our salvation. Surrender/ listen to him daily and God will help us in the obedience to follow. This is remaining faithful to the end. My blog on ingredients of true faith explains what this surrender allows God to work in us http://christianchat.com/blogs/roughsoul1991/10982-7-jewels-apon-crown-faith.html
Is the Spirit an enforcer or a helper? According to the answer does God take our free will or always honors it? Is apostasy real or just and act of a man who was never saved? And if so was scripture speaking of apostasy only speaking to people who where never saved?
Is the Spirit an enforcer or a helper? According to the answer does God take our free will or always honors it? Is apostasy real or just and act of a man who was never saved? And if so was scripture speaking of apostasy only speaking to people who where never saved?
<1,,728,arrabon> originally, "earnest-money" deposited by the purchaser and forfeited if the purchase was not completed, was probably a Phoenician word, introduced into Greece. In general usage it came to denote "a pledge" or "earnest" of any sort; in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers; it is said of the Holy Spirit as the Divine "pledge" of all their future blessedness, 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; in Ephesians 1:14; 4:30 particularly of their eternal inheritance.
2 Corinthians 1:21 - Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:21 - Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption.
The truth is that the son in the prodigal story was always the son and will always will be the son. We can do things in this life to cause us to stay away from our Father in our own minds but we always remain His son because we are one with Christ.
The reality is that the prodigal son never repented until the Father gave him the ring, clothes and sandals. The prodigal did not have repentance when he first came back to the father in the story - he was looking for food - not his father. It is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance.
The prodigal accepted what his father gave hi as his son. The older brother never knew his father's heart even though he had stayed with the father by doing "his service" to him. Neither sons knew the heart of their father.
The older son never did repent that we know of like the prodigal son did by believing and accepting what the father gave to them.
The parable of the lost coin - the coin never lost it's value nor did it lose it's ownership. It was always owned by the original owner.
Death is not our savior as if we hold out until the end. Holding unto Jesus in this life will give us rich life but we are sealed forever in our spirit if have Christ in us. Jesus is our Savior. We don't save ourselves nor does death save us.
The reality is that the prodigal son never repented until the Father gave him the ring, clothes and sandals. The prodigal did not have repentance when he first came back to the father in the story - he was looking for food - not his father. It is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance.
The prodigal accepted what his father gave hi as his son. The older brother never knew his father's heart even though he had stayed with the father by doing "his service" to him. Neither sons knew the heart of their father.
The older son never did repent that we know of like the prodigal son did by believing and accepting what the father gave to them.
The parable of the lost coin - the coin never lost it's value nor did it lose it's ownership. It was always owned by the original owner.
Death is not our savior as if we hold out until the end. Holding unto Jesus in this life will give us rich life but we are sealed forever in our spirit if have Christ in us. Jesus is our Savior. We don't save ourselves nor does death save us.
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His father had an inheritance for him, but the son chose to squander it on earthly living, walking after the flesh. That's why the Apostle Paul warned the churches to walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. The believer's walk will be judged at the JSOC. Choosing to walk after the flesh causes one to suffer the loss of inheritance. Those who walk after the Spirit will be rewarded. See 1 Corinthians 3 and 2 Corinthians 5.
From another perspective.
That parable can be viewed in two ways, the parable of the “two brothers” or the parable of the “waiting father”.
I would keep in mind the principle not subject to change, no man can come(impossible) to the father unless he first enables them, and if they do come he will in no way cast them out. He finishes that which he begins in us to the end.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.
Either Christ does all the work of dsavation or he does nonne.
Looking at it from the standpoint of the waiting father as to the context , it came after the last of the previous chapter when Christ said. “For which of you, intending to build a tower, sits not down first, and counts the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?” And said "he who has ears let Him hear"
Those who did count the cost of the waiting father He drew near. The sinners who knew they were sinners showed they were given ears to hear.
Luk 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
The self-righteous ones being angry at God as to those who were not given ears to hear,not only looked for fault in others put Christ in the same class as the sinners.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.And he spake this parable unto them, saying, Luk 15:3
Three series of parables ending with the prodigal son or the waiting father.
Having sent a famine of the land the son having come to himself realized as the father worked in Him to both will and do his good purpose it was also a famine for hearing the word of God the father ,even the slaves having an a superabundance of bread. Bread representing the word of God in that parable
`And having come to himself, he said, How many hirelings of my father have a superabundance of bread, and I here with hunger am perishing! having risen,(The drawing of the father ) I will go on unto my father, and will say to him, Father, I did sin -- to the heaven, and before thee, Luk 15:
Having been turned by the hearing of faith he could then repent .This shows us God does all the work of salvation. The older saw no need to repent, refusing the voice that could turn him, like Cain, never entered the relationship . Therefore the favor of God (grace) was supplied to the one that did have ears to hear which did turn Him to the waiting father. The older like a as a bullock unaccustomed to self righteous, the yoke of sin, did not hear the voice that could turn him so that then after he was turned, he could repent.:
I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.Jer 31:18
That parable can be viewed in two ways, the parable of the “two brothers” or the parable of the “waiting father”.
I would keep in mind the principle not subject to change, no man can come(impossible) to the father unless he first enables them, and if they do come he will in no way cast them out. He finishes that which he begins in us to the end.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.
Either Christ does all the work of dsavation or he does nonne.
Looking at it from the standpoint of the waiting father as to the context , it came after the last of the previous chapter when Christ said. “For which of you, intending to build a tower, sits not down first, and counts the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?” And said "he who has ears let Him hear"
Those who did count the cost of the waiting father He drew near. The sinners who knew they were sinners showed they were given ears to hear.
Luk 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
The self-righteous ones being angry at God as to those who were not given ears to hear,not only looked for fault in others put Christ in the same class as the sinners.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.And he spake this parable unto them, saying, Luk 15:3
Three series of parables ending with the prodigal son or the waiting father.
Having sent a famine of the land the son having come to himself realized as the father worked in Him to both will and do his good purpose it was also a famine for hearing the word of God the father ,even the slaves having an a superabundance of bread. Bread representing the word of God in that parable
`And having come to himself, he said, How many hirelings of my father have a superabundance of bread, and I here with hunger am perishing! having risen,(The drawing of the father ) I will go on unto my father, and will say to him, Father, I did sin -- to the heaven, and before thee, Luk 15:
Having been turned by the hearing of faith he could then repent .This shows us God does all the work of salvation. The older saw no need to repent, refusing the voice that could turn him, like Cain, never entered the relationship . Therefore the favor of God (grace) was supplied to the one that did have ears to hear which did turn Him to the waiting father. The older like a as a bullock unaccustomed to self righteous, the yoke of sin, did not hear the voice that could turn him so that then after he was turned, he could repent.:
I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.Jer 31:18
Your right the prodigal son is a sinner. Who returns to God in repentance. What is deliberate sin? An act of rebellion to what Christ did on the cross. This is sin and aslong as they remain in deliberate sin they are in rebellion making them a sinner in need of repentance. Repentance is not a one time thing seen strongly in the warnings toward the revelation church's.
So yes this story is to every person who repents and turns to God. Rather it be the first time or 100th. But aslong as any child lives in rebellion only one thing can be promised to that child and thats judgment.
So yes this story is to every person who repents and turns to God. Rather it be the first time or 100th. But aslong as any child lives in rebellion only one thing can be promised to that child and thats judgment.
The parable was told to Jews, and must be interpreted in that way. All saw themselves as sons of the Father, whether sinner or more righteous. The story was to illustrate that sinners were turning to Jesus while the more righteous were unwilling to accept them. That is the point of the story, and no other lessons can be drawn from it.
In the same way Jesus pointed out that the saved could not be lost. ( John 6.39), He was OSAS too.
In the same way Jesus pointed out that the saved could not be lost. ( John 6.39), He was OSAS too.
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