My grace is sufficient...

Rockrz · Apr 9, 2017

In another thread, some religious minded person claims God refused to deliver Paul by saying "My grace is sufficient"... and when I pointed out that Paul did receive deliverance, they said this:

To which I reply... yes, those were a great many afflictions the Lord deliver Paul out of... concerning the false claim that God told Paul He refused to deliver Him by saying "My grace is sufficient"... did anybody ever stop and think what we receive thru grave when we got born again and translated from darkness into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son??? (Colossians 1:13)

We became IN CHRIST and received citizenship in God's Kingdom where we were raised up to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, far above all principality power and might and dominion (Ephesians 1:19-21)

In the account some claim God told Paul He refused to deliver Paul... it clearly states that it was not sickness but a "messenger of satan" (2 Corinthians 12:7) meaning... wait for it... it was a devil!

This simply means satan assigned a devil to continually oppose Paul to attempt to prevent Paul from being successful in turning as many to Christ as possible and to try and prevent churches from being established.

Now, we know God does not call a man to go do something and then turn around and come against the man to prevent him from doing what the Lord told him to go do, right? Surely even religious people can understand God is not a schizophrenic! God is not opposing Paul here...

Reckon Paul did not know what Jesus said in the Great Commission when He said "these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils (Mark 16:17)

Of course Paul had some learning to do and walking out His salvation... but, it was just a devil and nothing that God sent since God cannot tempt man with evil:

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

Apparently Paul did end up being free from that messenger of satan...

Acts 28:30,31
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

So yeah, we need context as in knowing that when God told Paul "my grace is sufficient" the Lord was telling Him that what Paul received when getting born again was more than enough to whip the devil.

What would be absolutely hilarious if it weren't so sad is... satan has tricked many Christians in to believing that it's either not possible to not be slapped around by the devil and his demons... OR, he tricks many in to believing God is slapping people around or that somehow God is working hand in hand with satan to bring bad things upon people just to teach them rather than using the written Word and the Holy Spirit.

Now that is slow... nuthin like a little religious false teaching eh???

But hey, who am I to stand in the way of you and your devils... enjoy the testings, temptations, and trials!

satan has a storm with your name on it heading your way... and he intends to deceive you in to thinking God is bring it on you or God does not deliver folk from the whiles of the devil.

Funny how so many Christians cannot see and understand satan's tricks when God gives us all the answers in His Word so we'll recognize them.

Ugly · Apr 9, 2017

You went into thread of someone asking for prayer, gave a word of faith heresy and condemnation on their lack of belief and started an argument when everyone else was praying. So now you make a thread just to criticize the person seeking prayer? Wolf in sheeps clothing, that's what you are.

Showing your true colors. You are here to disrupt.

Rockrz · Apr 9, 2017

Ugly said:

You are false brethren who denies God's Living Word... we are all here to learn and grow, and you are one of those that denies God's promises and calls it heresy and condemnation as you look thru your glory hole.

Yeah, good luck with dat yo!

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2017

Rockrz said:

Awesome post and I very much agree with it. For sure Paul was delivered from that messenger of satan that kept opposing him in his travels. We defeat the enemy by using our authority in Christ. By grace we stand just like Jesus did when He was bothered by the enemy. We are strong when we admit our weakness and lay claim to the promises by grace through faith.

Many Christians believe Paul was given some sickness from God to make him humble and I totally do not go along with that teaching either. God is not schizo neither does He want us to be "schizo".

He gave us a sound mind to work out. He is not the author of confusion., the devil is. But you're right Rockrz, many believers are not fighting against the enemy when they believe their illnesses and confusions are God sent.

Some Christians will accept things as if they are from God's hand and be opening the door to the enemy. The Bible says His people perish for lack of knowledge. I believe this is one of the ways. Many have received something that should have been totally rejected.

FreeNChrist · Apr 9, 2017

Rockrz said:

In another thread, some religious minded person claims God refused to deliver Paul by saying "My grace is sufficient"... and when I pointed out that Paul did receive deliverance, they said this:

To which I reply... yes, those were a great many afflictions the Lord deliver Paul out of... concerning the false claim that God told Paul He refused to deliver Him by saying "My grace is sufficient"... did anybody ever stop and think what we receive thru grave when we got born again and translated from darkness into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son??? (Colossians 1:13)

We became IN CHRIST and received citizenship in God's Kingdom where we were raised up to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, far above all principality power and might and dominion (Ephesians 1:19-21)

In the account some claim God told Paul He refused to deliver Paul... it clearly states that it was not sickness but a "messenger of satan" (2 Corinthians 12:7) meaning... wait for it... it was a devil!

This simply means satan assigned a devil to continually oppose Paul to attempt to prevent Paul from being successful in turning as many to Christ as possible and to try and prevent churches from being established.

Now, we know God does not call a man to go do something and then turn around and come against the man to prevent him from doing what the Lord told him to go do, right? Surely even religious people can understand God is not a schizophrenic! God is not opposing Paul here...

Reckon Paul did not know what Jesus said in the Great Commission when He said "these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils (Mark 16:17)

Of course Paul had some learning to do and walking out His salvation... but, it was just a devil and nothing that God sent since God cannot tempt man with evil:

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

Apparently Paul did end up being free from that messenger of satan...

Acts 28:30,31
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

So yeah, we need context as in knowing that when God told Paul "my grace is sufficient" the Lord was telling Him that what Paul received when getting born again was more than enough to whip the devil.

What would be absolutely hilarious if it weren't so sad is... satan has tricked many Christians in to believing that it's either not possible to not be slapped around by the devil and his demons... OR, he tricks many in to believing God is slapping people around or that somehow God is working hand in hand with satan to bring bad things upon people just to teach them rather than using the written Word and the Holy Spirit.

Now that is slow... nuthin like a little religious false teaching eh???

But hey, who am I to stand in the way of you and your devils... enjoy the testings, temptations, and trials!

satan has a storm with your name on it heading your way... and he intends to deceive you in to thinking God is bring it on you or God does not deliver folk from the whiles of the devil.

Funny how so many Christians cannot see and understand satan's tricks when God gives us all the answers in His Word so we'll recognize them.

Who was it that gave Paul that thorn? And why?

trucker62 · Apr 9, 2017

Pauls thorn in the flesh has been debated into the ground. Many Post here have clearly revealed that the Thorn in the flesh was a messenger sent by Satan to buffet Paul where ever he went to stop him from preaching the Abundant Revelation of the New Covenant.

All you have to do is go into the book of Acts, read his Epistles and see that Paul was thwarted on a continual basis by the Jews who were staying under the Law and refused to hear the message of Grace through faith In Christ.

Where it states in II Corth 12: and least I be exalted above measure by the abundance of THE REVELATION, A thorn in the flesh was given me, A MESSENGER OF SATAN to buffet me. Buffet means harass, bully, push around ect.

The Abundant revelation he was speaking about was not pride, but the Revelation of The good news of the New Covenant through Jesus Christ and that Jesus had come and fulfilled the Law and was the mediator of a new and better covenant.

He kept asking God to take this from him. Take what from him? The persecution. In the parable of the sower in Mark 4, it clearly states that we suffer persecution for the sake of the WORD.

Pauls word to the Jewish and known world was found in 11 Corthinthians 5: 17-21. It infuriated the the Judiazers to the point they were constantly beating him, stoning him, putting him in jail.

God did answer Paul by saying, Paul My Grace is sufficient for you. In other words, Paul, stop trying to deal with this in your own strength, My Grace will enable you to endure and overcome to accomplish what I have called you to proclaim. When you are feeling weak, you can then lean on my Grace which will strengthen you.

Paul then goes on to say, I get it, I will boast in my infirmities (not meaning sickness or disease, but struggles of this call) because he could lean on God's grace to sustain and empower him to bring the new covenant message to the masses! For when I am weak (in the flesh) I am strong in God!

Grandpa · Apr 9, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

God is the One who gave Paul the thorn.

He was given it precisely so he would know, and every one after him would know, that the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient for them.

Not the abundance of Revelations. Not the Power to live a sinless life.

No matter how awesome you become, as a Christian, you will always have to rely on the Lord Jesus Christ for all of your blessings.

Philippians 4:13 [FONT=&quot]I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

[/FONT]John 15:5 [FONT=&quot]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.[/FONT]

Rockrz · Apr 9, 2017

Paul tells us... it as a messenger of satan.

The devil gave him that thorn to oppose Paul... just like when Jesus was here the devil followed Him around opposing Him.

Well, to the devil it was pride because Paul was not hell bound under satan's thumb like most folks which is ho satan likes it. Just like Jesus... Paul was a rebel with a cause walking in divine rebellion

But then again, from satan's viewpoint God is a terrorist cause the Lord sure scares the bejabbers out of 'ol slwefoot!

That's a trick of satan... God does not call someone to spread the gospel and then turn around and put roadblocks in his way.

satan has tricked many in to believing God is the problem which causes many to just lay down in defeat.

How's that workin for ya???

FreeNChrist · Apr 9, 2017

Rockrz said:

Paul tells us... it as a messenger of satan.

The devil gave him that thorn to oppose Paul... just like when Jesus was here the devil followed Him around opposing Him.

Well, to the devil it was pride because Paul was not hell bound under satan's thumb like most folks which is ho satan likes it. Just like Jesus... Paul was a rebel with a cause walking in divine rebellion

But then again, from satan's viewpoint God is a terrorist cause the Lord sure scares the bejabbers out of 'ol slwefoot!

That's a trick of satan... God does not call someone to spread the gospel and then turn around and put roadblocks in his way.

satan has tricked many in to believing God is the problem which causes many to just lay down in defeat.

How's that workin for ya???

So, it's your belief that it was Satan who didn’t want Paul to get to all puffed up with pride?

Depleted · Apr 9, 2017

This reminds me of puffballs, a type of fungus that "develops an aperture, or dries, becomes brittle, and splits, and the spores escape."

Consideration: Try not to puff up so much that your end is bound to leave you dry and brittle. Dry and brittle does nothing for God nor his kingdom. It's merely dry and brittle. Oh, and it's stinky too.

mj007 · Apr 9, 2017

Some people find comfort in their sickness, and if it wasn't for their belief system, coping strategy, their world would fall apart. I understand that there are two choices, one is accept your sickness and become comfortable with it, but the way to heal is 'to accept it' and give it up to God (what people do is they reject it, give it up to God, and wonder why nothing happens). I believe God can heal anyone and anything, and trying to say God makes us sick for a reason, is a cop-out for even attempting to find a way out. And I believe sickness is NOT of God's doing. Since losing my mum I was always interested in what healing actually was. I don't like seeing people suffer. To me God is healing, as much as God is love, God is life, and without life you are as rigid as a stone.

So maybe the purpose of some people, or what they feel is their purpose, a purpose they believe God gave them, is for them to suffer and that is what they accept. To suffer, under the grace of God. But personally I'm not sure of the purpose, this seems like a coping strategy. And while many will gather in sympathy, it doesn't really teach empathy which is what is important.

Desertsrose · Apr 9, 2017

Rockrz said:

I'm the one you're quoting and was just going to let it go and say, 'whatever'. But I'm going to post because this needs to be addressed. This is a great example on how one can misrepresent others including God and Jesus in the scriptures. Context is so important.

The one asking for prayer disagreed with you that healing is not a guarantee and is not a part of the atonement. You disagreed and said it is in the atonement and gave scriptures why it is.

So let's be honest and accurate here. Here's what I responded to written by you.

Your quote; Did you read where Paul said later that the Lord had delivered him out of ALL his afflictions?

You used this in the context of healing. I showed that it's not a scripture speaking of healing.

Here's my full post:

2 Timothy 3:10-12
Now you followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, perseverance, persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord rescued me! Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

The afflictions Paul spoke of were the persecutions he endured in Antioch, Iconic and Lystra. God delivered him from those who persecuted him.

It's always good to look at context so we know what God is saying instead of just pulling a verse out to make it say what we want or what we think it means.

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2017

The devil is the one who kills steals and destroys. God is not in the business of destroying us but building up His children in their most holy faith. He sent His Son Jesus to save us from ourselves and our sin and give us new life in Him. He does not lift us up and out of death only to pointedly put us down in it again. No.no.

Jesus came to give us life and that more abundantly. He took our curses and by faith we receive His blessings just like we received eternal life. We are to be living abundantly now as well as later. We have the promises to hold on to. He promises never to leave us or forsake us. But we have to believe that Jesus took hold of these truths for us and we are in Him. If we don't lay hold by faith we will not have it. Faith is how we now live. We live by faith and not by sight.

He laid hold of these things already. It is just plain wasteful to not lay hold of what Christ already got for us. LIFE and peace in the Holy Spirit. Not death and those things associated with it. Those things come from the enemy of our souls.

seed_time_harvest · Apr 9, 2017

Grandpa said:

God is the One who gave Paul the thorn.

He was given it precisely so he would know, and every one after him would know, that the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient for them.

Not the abundance of Revelations. Not the Power to live a sinless life.

No matter how awesome you become, as a Christian, you will always have to rely on the Lord Jesus Christ for all of your blessings.

Philippians 4:13 [FONT="]I can do all things [B]through Christ[/B] which strengtheneth me.

[/FONT][/COLOR][B]John 15:5[/B] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B] [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.[/FONT]

Amen.
The just shall live by faith.

Desertsrose · Apr 9, 2017

Hi Joanie,

joaniemarie said:

The devil is the one who kills steals and destroys. God is not in the business of destroying us but building up His children in their most holy faith. He sent His Son Jesus to save us from ourselves and our sin and give us new life in Him. He does not lift us up and out of death only to pointedly put us down in it again. No.no.

Amen, we have new life in Christ, but our bodies are going to die. We will receive new bodies at the resurrection, not now. This flesh is still subject to the fall and will die.

Jesus came to give us life and that more abundantly. He took our curses and by faith we receive His blessings just like we received eternal life. We are to be living abundantly now as well as later. We have the promises to hold on to. He promises never to leave us or forsake us. But we have to believe that Jesus took hold of these truths for us and we are in Him. If we don't lay hold by faith we will not have it. Faith is how we now live. We live by faith and not by sight.

I'm not healed, oh how I wish I were, but I have the abundant life Jesus is speaking of - peace, joy, resting in Him and trusting Him, the fruits of the Spirit, body life, etc. And I have them by faith. As we received Christ by faith, so we continue to walk in Him.

He laid hold of these things already. It is just plain wasteful to not lay hold of what Christ already got for us. LIFE and peace in the Holy Spirit. Not death and those things associated with it. Those things come from the enemy of our souls.

We all have life and peace in Him. To assume we don't is a wrong judgment of us. We experience spiritual life each and every day.

Our bodies will one day die. Your body will die. Only those who are here when Jesus returns will be taken up with their renewed body.

Rockrz · Apr 10, 2017

Faith that God is sending the devil to destroy us???

What kind of freaky satanic doctrine is that?

No where does God ever say to "wish" for anything... you really should study how to receive the promises of God from the Lord's viewpoint... not from the viewpoint of a carnal, religious understanding that some may think is well meaning but is not scriptural when compared to what scripture actually teaches.

That's true and meanwhile I'm NOT going to get sick since Jesus provided for me to have health.

Not sure what everone else is gonna do, but I'm going to continue to receive His promises with thanksgiving and praise!

joaniemarie · Apr 10, 2017

Desertsrose said:

Hi Desertrose., Every Christian is personally and even privately working out their own salvation. (meaning) we are working out what Christ has already put in at the time we got saved. We each are daily learning about what this salvation is all about. There is more to learn and experience about Jesus and His person and also what He gave us when He saved us than what we first knew about. We should be learning more about Him each day being more "deeply and more intimately acquainted with Him" as we learn from the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth.

So I believe in healing as a promise and part of my salvation. Salvation I'm learning is about the love and grace of God. It means blessing, healing, delivering and prospering us in all ways because of Jesus. Knowing that the grace of God is unearned unmerited and undeserved favor for all who have accepted Christ. Because of Jesus finished work on the cross we have His grace working in our lives every day. I believe that and have seen Him work it out in my life as He directed me to trust Him for good and not trust me for good.

I'm not saying I have it down pat. But I do have a handle and am holding on to grace through faith. I believe the only way I can fall is when I allow my human reason to take me through the normal channels of thinking, believing and having. It's by grace through faith that I have what Jesus has attained for me. We have all we need pertaining to life and Godliness. We can't do what He has already done for us. We persevere in faith believing ., 2 Pet.1:3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]seeing that his divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us [SUP][a][/SUP]by his own glory and virtue;

[SUP]4 [/SUP]whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of [SUP][b][/SUP]the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Yea, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue; and in your virtue knowledge;

[SUP]6 [/SUP]and in your knowledge self-control; and in your self-control [SUP][c][/SUP]patience; and in your [SUP][d][/SUP]patience godliness;

[SUP]7 [/SUP]and in your godliness [SUP][e][/SUP]brotherly kindness; and in your [SUP][f][/SUP]brotherly kindness love.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be not idle nor unfruitful unto the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For he that lacketh these things is blind, [SUP][g][/SUP]seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

This has already been given to us I believe and we see it when we walk it out by faith. Do I experience all that I would like to now by faith? No but that is because my mind is still learning how to persistently walk by faith. I'm not where I was last year but I'm not where I will be in 2 yrs either. I believe what the Bible says and that is why I believe there is healing for us. Walking out our faith is a day by day experience and we as we walk I've seen Him encourage me with many amazing things along the way. Walking is about going through things. He goes through with us and brings us out through the other side. How He will do that depends on each individual's walk with Him and where we are on that path. I can't walk it for anyone else and they can't walk it for me. The promises are there of that I have no doubt.

Johnny_B · Apr 10, 2017

II Corinthians 12:7-10 "So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

joaniemarie · Apr 10, 2017

Rockrz said:

I agree with you Rockrz. I've also learned that it takes time to unlearn a religious mindset. I was saved for over 32yrs before finding out about healing having been provided for us when Jesus died on the cross for our sins.

He took our curse., and the chastisement of OUR peace was upon HIM. And by HIS stripes (wounds bruises and whippings) our sicknesses (all of them in mind and body) were healed from start to finish. We didn't deserve such gifts but Jesus got them for us.

The only thing we have yet to be complete is our new bodies. We have been made complete in Him. In the mean time we still deal with this flesh while we are here on earth. The Bible says the sting of death is (sin) and it was taken care of by Jesus on the cross. 1Cor.15:56 He has taken it and nailed it to the cross.

He told us how to deal with our flesh while we are spirit beings still living in a flesh and blood body.... (by grace through faith) believing He is the Provider and Sustainer. As human beings it is not easy to let go of comforting beliefs. Often times it takes being knocked off the ledge by our tribulations from our times here in this sinful world. Then we go running to the Savior for more than religion. Our lives depend on Him literally.

But how can they hear unless someone tells them? How did you and I hear? Someone told us or we read it in the Bible and the Holy Spirit revealed it to us. Many Christians are still learning about this part of their salvation. And God doesn't force us to believe Him. He gives us the choice. Many don't know they have a choice. The Bible says "My people die for lack of knowledge"

It is God's will that none should perish and that all would come to repentance but we know there will be those who do perish without a change of mind in repentance. It is God's will that we be healed but many will not be healed.

joaniemarie · Apr 10, 2017

Johnny_B said:

This is not speaking of Paul having a pride problem that God had to deal with through affliction. This is speaking about Paul being so respected and honored in the sight of people that Satan had to do something to make him and his Gospel less attractive. He did that through persecution (see note 14 at this verse). The devil gave Paul a “thorn in the flesh” to keep him from being exalted in the eyes of people.

Paul made it very clear that this “thorn in the flesh” came because of the abundance of revelations he had received. So, those who are claiming to have a thorn like Paul’s would also have to have a similar number of revelations. Paul’s revelations produced about one-half of the New Testament scriptures and one of the greatest missionary thrusts the church has ever had. Until they receive revelations that are proportional to Paul’s, they shouldn’t hide behind Paul’s thorn in the flesh.

Note 13 at 2 Corinthians 12:7:
The phrase “thorn in the flesh” was not original with Paul. It was an Old Testament term that referred to the negative influence ungodly people had on righteous people. In Numbers 33:55, Moses said, “But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell” (emphasis mine).

Joshua 23:13 says, “Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you” (emphasis mine). Judges 2:3 says, “Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you” (emphasis mine). Paul drew on O.T. terminology to refer to the persecution he had suffered.
Note 14 at 2 Corinthians 12:7:

There has been much debate about what Paul’s thorn in the flesh was. Most people believe it was sickness sent from God to keep Paul humble (see note 11 at this verse). That is not the case. Paul’s thorn in the flesh was persecution that came from the devil, to make people think twice about accepting the Gospel, because of the persecution that accompanied it (see note 13 at this verse).

One of the reasons people think Paul’s thorn was sickness is because of the use of the word “infirmities” in 2 Corinthians 12:9-10. They presume “infirmities” is referring to some type of sickness. However, as explained in note 22 at 2 Corinthians 12:9, the word “infirmities” in context is referring to persecution.

Paul made it very clear in this verse that Satan was the author of this thorn, not God (see note 16 at this verse). The reason God didn’t take Paul’s thorn away was not because He wanted to afflict Paul; it was because believers are not redeemed from persecution. Paul later stated this in 2 Timothy 3:12: “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”

If the Lord stopped all persecution against His followers, Saul would have died before he became the Apostle Paul. Paul was one of the leaders of the persecution against Christians (see note 1 at Acts 9:1). The Lord didn’t redeem Stephen from persecution but used it to glorify Himself and prick the heart of the future Apostle Paul. Therefore, the Lord has not redeemed us from persecution. He even loves those who persecute us just as He loved those who persecuted Him (Luke 23:34). He desires their conversion, not their judgment.

Bible commentary Andrew Wommack ministries.

It's important for us Christians to realize there are different ways of reading the Bible and many Christians have different interpretations. I agree with some of what Andrew Wommack has put in his commentary about these verses.

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