The people were restless in the large and beautiful sanctuary, Pastor James Hardin was nervous himself, so many strange things had been happening. It had been some time now since the man who people called The Master had taken over control of all the governments, some of the big TV Ministries had welcomed him with open arms, but not his people, the man could not complete a sentence without cursing God. At first his people had been thrilled by the developments because the looming tribulation and what seemed to be the Antichrist caused them to know that the rapture had to happen any day. However the days came and the days went, and no raptured occurred. A crowd had formed around a particular Deacon and he seemed to be their spokesman. Presently he stood up and asked to speak, the Pastor nodded and he begin. Pastor, you know that we all believe just like you do, that the rapture has to occur before the tribulation and the Antichrist, but Pastor this certainly seems to be the tribulation and that man who they call The Master certainly seems to be the Antichrist. Our question to you is, how come Jesus has not returned to rapture us? The Deacon continued, we heard just this morning that the little church at Sunnydale were all arrested last Wednesday and no one has seen any of them since. Pastor we are in a panic, did Jesus forget to come? Is Satan actually stronger then God? Many people have just given it up and joined the government, there is talk of this happening right here. Pastor give us some hope, what is wrong, where is the rapture? Pastor James Hardin felt the most awful fear enter his heart, what could he possibly say to these people, hold on it could happen any day? That had been his sermon for more times then he cared to count, but the reality was that nothing happened, he wished he had the power to call Jesus down to rapture those poor confused souls, but he did not. What could he possible say, he was totally confused himself. How could God let them down when they had believed so faithfully? Finally he said to the people, I don't know why Jesus did not return, I simply do not know. Suddenly one of the members jumped up, he was obviously very angry, YOU DON'T KNOW, he screamed, all the lives of these people are in your hands and you tell us you don't know! At this point Past James Hardin had to flee for his life.
DANGER OF A FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE
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I have to say Sam you have a talent for writing
Honestly if the pretib rapture ends up not being true then this is probably a likely scenario however While i do believe that a pre trib rapture is possible I think it unwise to pin our hopes on that. I hope it is true as I long to finally be with Jesus but i also am prepared to face whatever I must in the tribulation.
I am all for people having the hope of going home and believing in the pretrib rapture if that is what they believe in however the mistake I often see is many do so because it's an escape and they pin all their hopes on the rapture, but say that because of this their hearts were not prepared for when trouble and dark times come.
I don't have a particular stance on the rapture and i have no intention of debating it I am simply giving my own personal thoughts here, however one thing is for certain a storm is coming and is rapidly approaching and it appears far off to many because it's as if they looking through a telescope the wrong way when in fact this storm is already here at our doors. A storm the like of which this world has never seen is on the horizon one of blood and utter darkness and if our hearts are not prepared then none of us shall stand
Honestly if the pretib rapture ends up not being true then this is probably a likely scenario however While i do believe that a pre trib rapture is possible I think it unwise to pin our hopes on that. I hope it is true as I long to finally be with Jesus but i also am prepared to face whatever I must in the tribulation.I am all for people having the hope of going home and believing in the pretrib rapture if that is what they believe in however the mistake I often see is many do so because it's an escape and they pin all their hopes on the rapture, but say that because of this their hearts were not prepared for when trouble and dark times come.
I don't have a particular stance on the rapture and i have no intention of debating it I am simply giving my own personal thoughts here, however one thing is for certain a storm is coming and is rapidly approaching and it appears far off to many because it's as if they looking through a telescope the wrong way when in fact this storm is already here at our doors. A storm the like of which this world has never seen is on the horizon one of blood and utter darkness and if our hearts are not prepared then none of us shall stand
I have to say Sam you have a talent for writing Honestly if the pretib rapture ends up not being true then this is probably a likely scenario however While i do believe that a pre trib rapture is possible I think it unwise to pin our hopes on that. I hope it is true as I long to finally be with Jesus but i also am prepared to face whatever I must in the tribulation.
I am all for people having the hope of going home and believing in the pretrib rapture if that is what they believe in however the mistake I often see is many do so because it's an escape and they pin all their hopes on the rapture, but say that because of this their hearts were not prepared for when trouble and dark times come.
I don't have a particular stance on the rapture and i have no intention of debating it I am simply giving my own personal thoughts here, however one thing is for certain a storm is coming and is rapidly approaching and it appears far off to many because it's as if they looking through a telescope the wrong way when in fact this storm is already here at our doors. A storm the like of which this world has never seen is on the horizon one of blood and utter darkness and if our hearts are not prepared then none of us shall stand
Honestly if the pretib rapture ends up not being true then this is probably a likely scenario however While i do believe that a pre trib rapture is possible I think it unwise to pin our hopes on that. I hope it is true as I long to finally be with Jesus but i also am prepared to face whatever I must in the tribulation.I am all for people having the hope of going home and believing in the pretrib rapture if that is what they believe in however the mistake I often see is many do so because it's an escape and they pin all their hopes on the rapture, but say that because of this their hearts were not prepared for when trouble and dark times come.
I don't have a particular stance on the rapture and i have no intention of debating it I am simply giving my own personal thoughts here, however one thing is for certain a storm is coming and is rapidly approaching and it appears far off to many because it's as if they looking through a telescope the wrong way when in fact this storm is already here at our doors. A storm the like of which this world has never seen is on the horizon one of blood and utter darkness and if our hearts are not prepared then none of us shall stand
** For every prophecy of His first coming mentioned in the Old Testament, there are eight predicting His Second Coming.
Continued story. Pastor James Hardin raced out of the back of the church and into his car and in a flash was driving down the road. He was in such a state of shock he could hardly think, his instincts told him to head for the wild country, as a boy he had spent many happy hours, camping in the wilderness. He wondered to himself as he drove, can I even make it to that favorite spot so far back in the woods, the government people were everywhere these days and one could hardly make a move without a video of it. After several hours of driving and a substantial hike he was there, a beautiful spot by a small waterfall. He fell down in the shade of an oak tree and begin to think. What happened? All my life I have taught the bible as true as any man, I have only taught what thousands of other well educated honest born again Pastors have taught, WHAT WENT WRONG? I taught everything correct, but when it came time for God to do His part, it did not happen, it simply did not happen. He was so distraught he could hardly pray, all he could say to God was help me to understand, over and over he repeated that prayer. Finally he relaxed and in that instant it seemed a voice in his mind seem to say, just believe my word. He thought, could that be the Lord? It seemed a strange answer to someone who had always believed the word of God. He took out his personal bible that he carried everywhere and begin to read Jesus account of His return that would occur after the tribulation period. Since a child he had been taught that this return was not for the church, and also in Bible College, all his friends knew that Jesus was not describing the rapture of the church. But now sitting there under an oak tree in the wilderness, knowing that the tribulation and the Antichrist had come, and the church had not been raptured, the words of his teachers seemed shallow and without substance. For once in his life Pastor James Hardin really looked at Matt 24, Jesus gave His message to those who founded the church and were called pillars of the church, not the nation of Israel. Also Jesus was specific that His return to gather the believers was for them, even telling them to lift up their heads for their redemption draws near. It begin to dawn on Pastor Hardin that he had been believing what was popular, not what was true. His thoughts raced back to his church, if only I could talk to them and tell them that Jesus never said He would return before the tribulation and the Antichrist, but afterwards.
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The people were restless in the large and beautiful sanctuary, Pastor James Hardin was nervous himself, so many strange things had been happening. It had been some time now since the man who people called The Master had taken over control of all the governments, some of the big TV Ministries had welcomed him with open arms, but not his people, the man could not complete a sentence without cursing God. At first his people had been thrilled by the developments because the looming tribulation and what seemed to be the Antichrist caused them to know that the rapture had to happen any day. However the days came and the days went, and no raptured occurred. A crowd had formed around a particular Deacon and he seemed to be their spokesman. Presently he stood up and asked to speak, the Pastor nodded and he begin. Pastor, you know that we all believe just like you do, that the rapture has to occur before the tribulation and the Antichrist, but Pastor this certainly seems to be the tribulation and that man who they call The Master certainly seems to be the Antichrist. Our question to you is, how come Jesus has not returned to rapture us? The Deacon continued, we heard just this morning that the little church at Sunnydale were all arrested last Wednesday and no one has seen any of them since. Pastor we are in a panic, did Jesus forget to come? Is Satan actually stronger then God? Many people have just given it up and joined the government, there is talk of this happening right here. Pastor give us some hope, what is wrong, where is the rapture? Pastor James Hardin felt the most awful fear enter his heart, what could he possibly say to these people, hold on it could happen any day? That had been his sermon for more times then he cared to count, but the reality was that nothing happened, he wished he had the power to call Jesus down to rapture those poor confused souls, but he did not. What could he possible say, he was totally confused himself. How could God let them down when they had believed so faithfully? Finally he said to the people, I don't know why Jesus did not return, I simply do not know. Suddenly one of the members jumped up, he was obviously very angry, YOU DON'T KNOW, he screamed, all the lives of these people are in your hands and you tell us you don't know! At this point Past James Hardin had to flee for his life.
No sooner than he fled ,the doors burst open and the entire congregation was forcefully loaded up in prison buses and transporetd to a detainment center. That was the final load. The entire city was finally cleansed of all known believers.
About 3 days later,they were transported to a much larger room.It was about a half a mile long and just as wide as it was long. It had no roof on it. Thousands of believers were in there.
About midnight,the bulk of the believers began to worship the Lord. Awesome creshendos of worship began to be sung by those who loved the Lord.
Then,all of a sudden what appeared to be a sunrise ,possibly a green light appeared over the far wall of the sheepfold. It was the Lord!! He was appearing to gather his bride,his sold out bride!!
Many thousands began to go up into the sky. They were able to "talk" to each other,but without words. They continued up and at a point in some clouds,they received robes,white robes. There appeared to be a logo on the front of all the robes. They continued up,up,up,and arrived at the throne of the Father.....
Those scoffing and mocking,however,stayed behind. They would,as they soon found out,be required to take the mark the next day. Several hundred guillotines were stationed in the walkway,where they would be marched to the tables to be marked with the new world order required seal.
So you see,I am pretrib,and I fully expect it to look like God will not gather us,even tough He will appear to be totally too late.
The "too late" dynamic kinda has a twist....HUH?
No sooner than he fled ,the doors burst open and the entire congregation was forcefully loaded up in prison buses and transporetd to a detainment center. That was the final load. The entire city was finally cleansed of all known believers.
About 3 days later,they were transported to a much larger room.It was about a half a mile long and just as wide as it was long. It had no roof on it. Thousands of believers were in there.
About midnight,the bulk of the believers began to worship the Lord. Awesome creshendos of worship began to be sung by those who loved the Lord.
Then,all of a sudden what appeared to be a sunrise ,possibly a green light appeared over the far wall of the sheepfold. It was the Lord!! He was appearing to gather his bride,his sold out bride!!
Many thousands began to go up into the sky. They were able to "talk" to each other,but without words. They continued up and at a point in some clouds,they received robes,white robes. There appeared to be a logo on the front of all the robes. They continued up,up,up,and arrived at the throne of the Father.....
Those scoffing and mocking,however,stayed behind. They would,as they soon found out,be required to take the mark the next day. Several hundred guillotines were stationed in the walkway,where they would be marched to the tables to be marked with the new world order required seal.
So you see,I am pretrib,and I fully expect it to look like God will not gather us,even tough He will appear to be totally too late.
The "too late" dynamic kinda has a twist....HUH?
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....but then he remembered the words of the bible.:
"3 [FONT="]For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.[/FONT][FONT="]4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"
And his faith began to rise up over and above the conjecture of mens minds.
He thought back,I remember praying in agreement with Gods word,where he said inLuke 21:36[/FONT]
[FONT="]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
He thought,many times I prayed "Lord,don't let me miss the rapture"
About that time some scoffers began to hurl accusations about a false pretrib.......[/FONT]
Ok popey, I think it's time for bluto too school you on a couple of things. I know you pretribulation/rapture believers like you and ahwatukee love to quote 1 Thessalonians 5:9,10 where you just quoted vs9 above. My question is did you guys really look at the context starting at 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10 because the topic has to do with salvation proper, and not salvation/deliverance by the rapture.
Christians are sons of light and not sons of darkness according to vs5. We are to be alert and not asleep looking forward to the Lord's coming because God has not destined us for wrath BUT FOR OBTAINING SALVATION. The "wrath" referred to here is the wrath that non-christians will face because they are not Christians and will face hell. This is why vs10 says, 'who died for us" referring back to our Lord Jesus Christ at vs9.
Other verses that back up what I'm saying is John 3:36, "He who beieves in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the "WRATH" of God abides on him." Romans 2:5, "But because of your stubborness and unrepentant heart you are storing up "WRATH" for yourself in the day of "WRATH" and revelation of the righteous judgment of God." And Romans 5:9, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the "WRATH" of God through Him."
And if you think about it since God has not destined us for "WRATH" according to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 the alternative in the verse is the salvation of ones soul/spirit where eventually we may live together with Jesus Christ, vs10. Now it's you turn to tell me all about the ten virgins popeye?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Christians are sons of light and not sons of darkness according to vs5. We are to be alert and not asleep looking forward to the Lord's coming because God has not destined us for wrath BUT FOR OBTAINING SALVATION. The "wrath" referred to here is the wrath that non-christians will face because they are not Christians and will face hell. This is why vs10 says, 'who died for us" referring back to our Lord Jesus Christ at vs9.
Other verses that back up what I'm saying is John 3:36, "He who beieves in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the "WRATH" of God abides on him." Romans 2:5, "But because of your stubborness and unrepentant heart you are storing up "WRATH" for yourself in the day of "WRATH" and revelation of the righteous judgment of God." And Romans 5:9, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the "WRATH" of God through Him."
And if you think about it since God has not destined us for "WRATH" according to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 the alternative in the verse is the salvation of ones soul/spirit where eventually we may live together with Jesus Christ, vs10. Now it's you turn to tell me all about the ten virgins popeye?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
P
Ok popey, I think it's time for bluto too school you on a couple of things. I know you pretribulation/rapture believers like you and ahwatukee love to quote 1 Thessalonians 5:9,10 where you just quoted vs9 above. My question is did you guys really look at the context starting at 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10 because the topic has to do with salvation proper, and not salvation/deliverance by the rapture.
Christians are sons of light and not sons of darkness according to vs5. We are to be alert and not asleep looking forward to the Lord's coming because God has not destined us for wrath BUT FOR OBTAINING SALVATION. The "wrath" referred to here is the wrath that non-christians will face because they are not Christians and will face hell. This is why vs10 says, 'who died for us" referring back to our Lord Jesus Christ at vs9.
Other verses that back up what I'm saying is John 3:36, "He who beieves in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the "WRATH" of God abides on him." Romans 2:5, "But because of your stubborness and unrepentant heart you are storing up "WRATH" for yourself in the day of "WRATH" and revelation of the righteous judgment of God." And Romans 5:9, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the "WRATH" of God through Him."
And if you think about it since God has not destined us for "WRATH" according to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 the alternative in the verse is the salvation of ones soul/spirit where eventually we may live together with Jesus Christ, vs10. Now it's you turn to tell me all about the ten virgins popeye?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Christians are sons of light and not sons of darkness according to vs5. We are to be alert and not asleep looking forward to the Lord's coming because God has not destined us for wrath BUT FOR OBTAINING SALVATION. The "wrath" referred to here is the wrath that non-christians will face because they are not Christians and will face hell. This is why vs10 says, 'who died for us" referring back to our Lord Jesus Christ at vs9.
Other verses that back up what I'm saying is John 3:36, "He who beieves in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the "WRATH" of God abides on him." Romans 2:5, "But because of your stubborness and unrepentant heart you are storing up "WRATH" for yourself in the day of "WRATH" and revelation of the righteous judgment of God." And Romans 5:9, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the "WRATH" of God through Him."
And if you think about it since God has not destined us for "WRATH" according to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 the alternative in the verse is the salvation of ones soul/spirit where eventually we may live together with Jesus Christ, vs10. Now it's you turn to tell me all about the ten virgins popeye?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Lot comes to mind. He was REMOVED before the wrath fell on that city.
It is easy to see the removal,unless you purposefully discipline your self to deny it's existence
[FONT="]40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.[/FONT]
[FONT="]41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.[/FONT]
[FONT="]42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.[/FONT]
[FONT="]43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.[/FONT]
[FONT="]44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.[/FONT]
The saints will be removed before the wrath of God is poured upon the world,for the wrath of God is not in the tribulation,persecution,for it is not for the world,but towards the saints.
The saints shall be given in to beast's hands for three and one half years,and he shall make war against the saints,and prevail against them,and shall destroy the holy and mighty people,and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the saints the resurrection shall occur,and the wrath of God poured upon the heathen,and God will punish the world for their sins and iniquities against Him.
People underestimate the love of God,and how much He loves the world,and will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him,and will let them go as far as attacking Israel,and that is when His fury shall come up in His face,and He will defeat the world.
When the 7 years period begins,they will operate by a unified religious system,and the man of sin will promote the new age movement,for the first three and one half years,which will set up all people who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,in which salvation is still available to the world during the first three and one half years,and as long as the world can receive salvation,the saints will remain on earth representing God and His kingdom,and the truth.
When the people who do not love God follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,salvation is no longer available to them,and the saints can go home.
But God allows the beast and those that follow Him to go against the saints for the last three and one half years,and then at the end of that time those saints that are remaining on earth shall be gathered unto Christ.
The wrath of God is poured upon the world that rebelled against Him,leading up to the battle of Armageddon,which is when the world attacks Israel.
God comes back with all the saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.
Why does God allow them to go that far,because God is love,and will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him,and also so they have no excuse on judgment day,for they went as far as to try to take away Israel,as the last step to not having anything to do with God and His ways,and to not acknowledge any god,as they also defeat the religion of Islam in the first three and one half years.
God will not prematurely put an end to the kingdom of people on earth,until they take every step possible to try to get rid of all that is called god,or worshipped,and all that is of God,and Jesus,and the Christians,and Jews,and the religion of Islam because they believe in a personal God,for while the religion of Islam has nothing to do with the Bible,it still is a step they take to get rid of all that is called God.
For people that think God would not allow the saints to go through the 7 years period,that is not logical,for if God did not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,then God would of not allowed any saint in the history of the Church to be persecuted,and not one hand laid upon them,but we know that is not true for the past,and even now,for they are persecuted,and Paul said the saints are persecuted all the day long,and counted as sheep for the slaughter.
Persecution is persecution,and it will be no worse than at any other time,and it is the greatest persecution on earth,but not because it is more painful,and more torture,but because it is on a worldwide level,instead in scattered places today.
The saints were beheaded for the witness of Christ,which is a whole lot better than what some saints have been through in the past,and now.
Suck it up buckaroo,and get ready for the wildest ride of your life,Yahoo,talk about an adrenaline rush.If you abide in the truth if you are caught in that situation,you will have more courage,and strength,by the Spirit,than you thought you had,and you will not even care but say let's get it over with,what is taking you so long,like Paul who said let me out of this world when he had to go,in so many words.
Sure I understand we can be scared because we do not want any harm to come to our flesh,but we will not have that strength,and courage,until the time comes,so right now we do not feel good about it,but when that time comes it will be a different ballgame,for the Spirit will strengthen us like He strengthened Christ to endure the cross.
The saints shall be given in to beast's hands for three and one half years,and he shall make war against the saints,and prevail against them,and shall destroy the holy and mighty people,and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the saints the resurrection shall occur,and the wrath of God poured upon the heathen,and God will punish the world for their sins and iniquities against Him.
People underestimate the love of God,and how much He loves the world,and will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him,and will let them go as far as attacking Israel,and that is when His fury shall come up in His face,and He will defeat the world.
When the 7 years period begins,they will operate by a unified religious system,and the man of sin will promote the new age movement,for the first three and one half years,which will set up all people who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,in which salvation is still available to the world during the first three and one half years,and as long as the world can receive salvation,the saints will remain on earth representing God and His kingdom,and the truth.
When the people who do not love God follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,salvation is no longer available to them,and the saints can go home.
But God allows the beast and those that follow Him to go against the saints for the last three and one half years,and then at the end of that time those saints that are remaining on earth shall be gathered unto Christ.
The wrath of God is poured upon the world that rebelled against Him,leading up to the battle of Armageddon,which is when the world attacks Israel.
God comes back with all the saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.
Why does God allow them to go that far,because God is love,and will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him,and also so they have no excuse on judgment day,for they went as far as to try to take away Israel,as the last step to not having anything to do with God and His ways,and to not acknowledge any god,as they also defeat the religion of Islam in the first three and one half years.
God will not prematurely put an end to the kingdom of people on earth,until they take every step possible to try to get rid of all that is called god,or worshipped,and all that is of God,and Jesus,and the Christians,and Jews,and the religion of Islam because they believe in a personal God,for while the religion of Islam has nothing to do with the Bible,it still is a step they take to get rid of all that is called God.
For people that think God would not allow the saints to go through the 7 years period,that is not logical,for if God did not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,then God would of not allowed any saint in the history of the Church to be persecuted,and not one hand laid upon them,but we know that is not true for the past,and even now,for they are persecuted,and Paul said the saints are persecuted all the day long,and counted as sheep for the slaughter.
Persecution is persecution,and it will be no worse than at any other time,and it is the greatest persecution on earth,but not because it is more painful,and more torture,but because it is on a worldwide level,instead in scattered places today.
The saints were beheaded for the witness of Christ,which is a whole lot better than what some saints have been through in the past,and now.
Suck it up buckaroo,and get ready for the wildest ride of your life,Yahoo,talk about an adrenaline rush.If you abide in the truth if you are caught in that situation,you will have more courage,and strength,by the Spirit,than you thought you had,and you will not even care but say let's get it over with,what is taking you so long,like Paul who said let me out of this world when he had to go,in so many words.
Sure I understand we can be scared because we do not want any harm to come to our flesh,but we will not have that strength,and courage,until the time comes,so right now we do not feel good about it,but when that time comes it will be a different ballgame,for the Spirit will strengthen us like He strengthened Christ to endure the cross.
You know what's ironic popeye? I know full well about margaret and her visions etc. I am also aware that her visions were around the same time that Mormon false prophet has his visions which was the beginning of the Mormon Church. My point is why or on what basis I should believe someone's visions as proof of anything?
Secondly, if I were to follow you logic by using Lot as an example of God removing him then in like manner I can say Daniel and the three amigos were still in the fire but were protected by God, that's my dynamic? Now what are you going to tell me?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Secondly, if I were to follow you logic by using Lot as an example of God removing him then in like manner I can say Daniel and the three amigos were still in the fire but were protected by God, that's my dynamic? Now what are you going to tell me?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 [/SUP]But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [SUP]
14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
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15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
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16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
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17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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18 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
The Church is not Israel and Israel is not the church. Many have failed to make that distinction and get the prophecy all mixed up and falling on itself. God doesn't want us to be ignorant concerning His promises and always wants us to have confidence in His love for us. So when we are rightly dividing the Scriptures it does what Scripture always does., brings light and peace and comfort to those who believe.
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13 [/SUP]But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [SUP]
14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
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15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
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16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
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17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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18 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
The Church is not Israel and Israel is not the church. Many have failed to make that distinction and get the prophecy all mixed up and falling on itself. God doesn't want us to be ignorant concerning His promises and always wants us to have confidence in His love for us. So when we are rightly dividing the Scriptures it does what Scripture always does., brings light and peace and comfort to those who believe.
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