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1 Corinthians 15:12-26
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
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If the resurrection of Rev 20:8-12 has yet to take place,
Then not everything written, was fulfilled in/by 70 ad.,
And the prophecies of the Bible extend past 70 ad.
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It is impossible for a resurrection to have taken place at the dest of Jeru.,
Because 1 Cor 15:23-24, shows only 2 resurrections,
Jesus the 1st.,
And the 2nd at His coming,
Then it is the end, where Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father.
Since OUR resurrection is yet to come, it MUST be the 2nd, at His coming,
Therefor there could not have been a resur. at the dest of Jeru., without adding a resurrection to 1 Cor 15:23-24.
Revelation 20
The Final Judgment
11Then I saw a great white throne and the One who sat on it. The earth and the heavens fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.…
The Final Judgment
11Then I saw a great white throne and the One who sat on it. The earth and the heavens fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.…
The stone is not the kingdom.
The kingdom begins at the organs of reproduction on the statue.
The organs of discharge represent the dest of Jeru in 70 ad.
The division of the toes shows the end of the Roman Empire.
The statue ends when Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem.
The stone striking is the 2nd resurrection Rev 20:8-12, and the end of this planet.
The kingdom begins at the organs of reproduction on the statue.
The organs of discharge represent the dest of Jeru in 70 ad.
The division of the toes shows the end of the Roman Empire.
The statue ends when Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem.
The stone striking is the 2nd resurrection Rev 20:8-12, and the end of this planet.
What hasn't worked?
Either the whole Bible is fulfilled by 70 ad or it is not.
You said that OUR resurrection was the one described in Rev 20:8-12, yet to come.
If what you said is true, then everything in the Bible is not fulfilled by 70 ad.
Can you even explain what you believe?
Rev 20:8-12, 70 ad or not?
Either the whole Bible is fulfilled by 70 ad or it is not.
You said that OUR resurrection was the one described in Rev 20:8-12, yet to come.
If what you said is true, then everything in the Bible is not fulfilled by 70 ad.
Can you even explain what you believe?
Rev 20:8-12, 70 ad or not?
this may or may not help you see where I'm coming from
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[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! Revelation 8:4-13
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! Revelation 8:4-13
9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 9
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 9
10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 10:1-7
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 10:1-7