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Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Loving people is the fulfilling of the law.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Love is the fulfilling of the law,and without love we are nothing,and God's kingdom is based on love,and God loves people,so it is all about loving people,and only going by our needs,and helping people with their needs,which if we do not then Paul said,we err from the faith,James said,you do not have faith,and John said,the love of God does not dwell in you.

It cannot be denied that if we have a habit of spending money for our personal wants,and not only our needs,and the needs of others if possible,then we are in a bad position.

So are these works,or not works,for James calls them works,and pointed out helping the needy,which is what we do in the New Testament,loving people is the fulfilling of the law,and pointed out how faith was made perfect by the works Abraham,and others did,in the Old Testament.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

I say that because there are many people that claim they cannot lose salvation,but I have observed that they constantly spend money on themselves,and do not appear to help the poor,so I would like to know how they are right with God,when love of people is the fulfilling of the law,and how can they neglect people and be right with God.

Also Jesus said in both Churches that their works were not perfect,were not right,but I thought works do not not matter,so if they do not matter why is Jesus saying they are not right,and to repent of them wrong works,and do right works.

It cannot be denied if we spend money as a habit on our wants,and not our needs,and the needs of others if possible,then we have erred from the faith,we do not have faith,and the love of God does not dwell in us,but I see many people that claim they cannot lose salvation that are in the habit of spending money on their wants,and for personal use above their needs,and not helping the poor and needy,and I would like to know how are they right with God under that condition,when love is the fulfilling of the law.

Not everyone that says Lord is saved,and many are called,but few are chosen.

So why do a lot of people that believe that they cannot lose salvation believe they are chosen if they have a habit of spending money for personal use above their needs,their wants,and not caring about the poor,which giving a little here and there does not cut it if a person has more money than that,for we are only to go by our needs,and help people with their needs if we can.

I would like to know how they are right with God under that circumstance,which God said many would be in that condition at the end time,and I see a lot of people that believe they cannot lose salvation that go by their wants a lot,and do not help out that much.

So how are they right if love is the fulfilling of the law,and having food and clothing,be content,and if any one preaches the prosperity Gospel,withdraw yourself from them.
 
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Some very interesting and a number of numerous comments. = )

Just wanted to maybe make even one person realize that it ain't about us but Him, Jesus, lover of our soul.
 

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What have you done to keep your salvation today?
I TRUST HIM TO NOT LET GO!


John 10:27-31 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. {It is NOT eternal, if it can be LOST, or has to be KEPT.}
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I and My Father are one."
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
 
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I suggest you check and discover that the verb "believeth" is in the continuous tense in the Greek.
In other words, this is not talking about a one-time thing!
This is talking about a continuing belief-faith that lasts until your death.
Or it's just of no use to you!
I suggest you listen to a teacher that has gone past one year of Greek.

"That" introduces a purpose clause. "That" whosoever believes is NOT describing a specific individual and their salvation. John 3:16 is describing Gods PURPOSE for sending His Son to us. And that PURPOSE is PRESENTLY or CONTINUOUSLY being offered to WHOSOEVER.

Acts 16:31~~believe is in the Aorist tense because Paul is describing how a specific individual gets saved. The moment one(jailer) believes they are saved because they believed in the CONTINUOUS purpose of God In John 3:16.
 
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AMEN!


HENCE:

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

It is MUCH MORE than acknowledging who HE is, which even the Demons acknowledge.

It is establishing a permanent inner, personal LOVE relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD (meaning MASTER), as you submit to HIS Lordship as an act of LOVE.
It is absolute truth. But it is NOT absolute truth that the ones who left were not saved.

John Undoubtedly taught eternal security and doctrinal truth. Many believers who want their ears tickled and go back to making themselves righteous..........WILL leave a congregation that is doctrinal.

Why are we taught not to judge someones salvation, but folks try to use about every other verse to judge if someone is really saved or has lost their salvation?


John and his seven or so churches, taught SOLID BIBLE DOCTRINE and the believers who just want their ears tickled and told things that make them feel good..........will leave. They are not a part of believers who humble themselves and mature in Christ.
 
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Saving belief in Christ continues and is not some shallow temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.
What is the fruit you are looking for? And the bible describes that if our faith "withers" or "If we are faithless" HE remains faithful.

A believer produces fruit, no doubt. But you and I may never see that fruit. They may remain a babe in Christ or be a carnal Christian.............................for their entire life.
 
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What is the fruit you are looking for? And the bible describes that if our faith "withers" or "If we are faithless" HE remains faithful.

A believer produces fruit, no doubt. But you and I may never see that fruit. They may remain a babe in Christ or be a carnal Christian.............................for their entire life.
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pure 'blather'!!!
 
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I TRUST HIM TO NOT LET GO!


John 10:27-31 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. {It is NOT eternal, if it can be LOST, or has to be KEPT.}
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I and My Father are one."
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
That's faith, not works.
 
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Saying a "sinner's prayer" or raising your hand.
 
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for Him, it' all about 'us'...
For Him it is all about Him. His character, integrity and virtue drives Him to love us and want to save us.

If He lacked any of His perfect qualities, we would just be a pile of dust.

Salvation isn't about us and what we do, Salvation is about Him and what he does and who and what HE is.
 
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His Holy Love clearly tells/us/shows us in His Holy written Word, what He wants us to do,
and it is truly all about us Loving/serving/obeying Him First/denying self, and becoming a part
of His Holy/Heavenly/Family - His cce', Thank You Jesus...

If you are blessed enough to be led to 'really-read-It', God's Holy Written Word, 'Holy Bible' -
then our Saviour will begin to give us the ability, through the gift of The Holy Spirit, to begin
how to learn how to live it out in our every day lives,
If our hearts remain true and faithful, we will learn how to discern the meaning of true
Spiritual Faith-Trust-Assurance - in our Holy God and Saviour, Jesus Christ...
 

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That's faith, not works.

Ephesians 2:4-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.


Galatians 2:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
 

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It is absolute truth. But it is NOT absolute truth that the ones who left were not saved.

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1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

1 John 2:19 (GW)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They left us. However, they were never really part of us. If they had been, they would have stayed with us. But by leaving they made it clear that none of them were part of us.
 
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I noticed something in verse 17 "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

Many say that 16 is proof that Jesus came to save the world, here it says might be saved. Which lines up with I Timothy 2:4 "
who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." Desire, wishes, would, wants, it doesn't say wills as in His will is for all to be saved.

II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." Wishing, wanting, desiring, willing, disposed, pleased
It stood out for me because I've heard people say that by God the Father electing those to be saved that He also elects those to be condemned to eternal judgement, not according to there verses. Verse 18 they are condemned already, they are
condemned because of God's Law, the world is found guilty by it.

Romans 3:19-20 "
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
 

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What is the fruit you are looking for? And the bible describes that if our faith "withers" or "If we are faithless" HE remains faithful.
In Matthew 13:23, we read - But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty IN CONTRAST to the seed that fell on the rocky soil and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away because it lacked moisture (Luke 8:6) and have no root (Matthew 13:21). So all genuine Christians are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful.

Also, to "deny Him" IN CONTRAST to endure (2 Timothy 2:12) is a more serious offense than a temporary lapse in trusting Christ (2 Timothy 2:13). The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Jesus three times - Luke 22:34), but is referring to life in its entirety. God is faithful and will ultimately, pardon, restore, and keep those who are truly His.

A believer produces fruit, no doubt.
Amen!

But you and I may never see that fruit. They may remain a babe in Christ or be a carnal Christian.............................for their entire life.
Yet faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation and no fruit at all (ever) would demonstrate there is no root.