Election and Depravity (Paul Washer)

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Marano

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ45xR_cg-M

So what do you people think of the video? It's basically audio only so it's good to have on the background if you're doing something else, you don't necessarily have to watch the video.
 

Johnny_B

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An hour and 10 minutes is to long right now, but from what I gathered he seems to have the reformed view which is okay, unless he believes in double election. That's not Biblical, if he says that we don't need to evangelize because of election that's not Reformed or Biblical.

I believe in Biblical election, that God the Father choses/elects before the foundations of the world and loved us. In that is the idea that God see us as saved before we are, John 10:11, 14-15 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep....I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep."

Jesus calls us sheep, Matthew 25:31 and beyond, Jesus judges the nations and separates the sheep from the goats. So believers are sheep and He calls us sheep before He dies and He also lays down His life foe the sheep, not the goats. So any Christian has never beed a goat, always a sheep. Read through the epistles and look for us, we, you, our and you'll see that Christ died for us, the Church Ephesians 5:26 says He gave Himself for her (the Church), while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. In His Priestly prayer in John 17, He prays for the disciples, those that would believe their words, that the Father would keep us from the evil one, then He says I pray for these, not the world. He doesn't pray for people that are not His elect. II Peter 1:3 it says the Father causes us to be born again.
 

Marano

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An hour and 10 minutes is to long right now, but from what I gathered he seems to have the reformed view which is okay, unless he believes in double election. That's not Biblical, if he says that we don't need to evangelize because of election that's not Reformed or Biblical.I believe in Biblical election, that God the Father choses/elects before the foundations of the world and loved us. In that is the idea that God see us as saved before we are, John 10:11, 14-15 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep....I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep."Jesus calls us sheep, Matthew 25:31 and beyond, Jesus judges the nations and separates the sheep from the goats. So believers are sheep and He calls us sheep before He dies and He also lays down His life foe the sheep, not the goats. So any Christian has never beed a goat, always a sheep. Read through the epistles and look for us, we, you, our and you'll see that Christ died for us, the Church Ephesians 5:26 says He gave Himself for her (the Church), while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. In His Priestly prayer in John 17, He prays for the disciples, those that would believe their words, that the Father would keep us from the evil one, then He says I pray for these, not the world. He doesn't pray for people that are not His elect. II Peter 1:3 it says the Father causes us to be born again.
For people who might be doing other things it's just audio basically, so you can listen in the background while doing other things.
 

Johnny_B

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I understand it sounds like he was teaching some solid stuff, the works he was quoting are books I have, so it was interesting to here someone quote from something I have. Not many people quote the Expositor's Greek.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ45xR_cg-M

So what do you people think of the video? It's basically audio only so it's good to have on the background if you're doing something else, you don't necessarily have to watch the video.
I'm glad he's out of the hospital recovering from his recent heart attack. Outside that, I don't see me listening to 70 minutes. (I'm 20th century, so don't have devices that can let me wander around while listening, and I couldn't do anything while sitting and listening, or I'd forget the "listening" part. lol)
 
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Spokenpassage

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I want to listen to this, I may so right now.
 
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Spokenpassage

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Good sermon, he made it applicable in how it should affect our lives in Christ.
 

Marano

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Good sermon, he made it applicable in how it should affect our lives in Christ.
Yeah someone said above he had some kind of health issue but is doing better now.
 
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Spokenpassage

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Yeah someone said above he had some kind of health issue but is doing better now.
Yes, he had a heart-attack. I heard about it about the same day it happened. He had said this afterward,

"If it makes you feel any better, I didn't go to the third heaven. There won't be any books."

He has been doing much better!