RIDICULOUS CHRISTIAN CLAIMS AND SHAMING JESUS

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Here's another one..

A charismatic friend, whom I consider to be one of the more sane ones, continually tries to get me to accept charismatic claims concerning demon deliverance, etcetera.

He mentioned a Jewish TV reporter named John Safran who was delivered of demons on camera by a deliverance ministry guy as good "proof" that this occurs.

I would like you to watch this video regarding this and let me know the problems based on Scripture.

Here's what I find to be hoky:

1) the potential demoniac comes to the deliverance ministry guy himself..and acts rationally when he is discussing prior to the
deliverance
2) the deliverance ministry guy submits him to a 20 page questionnaire to assess his potential for possession
3) the deliverance guy claims to know the history of the demon
4) the overall clown show approach..

Since when did Jesus or any of the apostles submit anyone to a 20 page questionnaire, and a technique similar to psychoanalysis, prior to casting the demons out? Hilarious.

Now, I can't explain what exactly happened during this video, but suffice it to say that a good actor obviously could have faked the whole thing. Maybe he needed a new gig, and wanted to become a poster child for demonic deliverance ministries..I don't know.

Anyways watch it and see what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyef640HEM

Think about whether this technique is biblical..does the Bible show anything like it?

I don't doubt that God could cause a demon to leave after the prayer of one or more of his children...so there's no issue with me in that regard. My issue is with those who make ridiculous claims, and who are obviously flaky. Listen to the words of the guy who is claiming to cast out the demons, claiming he knows where the demon has been in past ages. Hilarious.

I don't think Jesus or any of the apostles went through this sort of deliverance ceremony. What do you think? Is this the best proof that can be offered to me?
The exorcist guy is named Bob Larson..by the way if you have a demon he can exorcise it for $295 on Skype..maybe you can catch a better rate if you wait for a special :)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Larson
 

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One of the biggest causes for doubt of Christianity for me is the ridiculous claims of a small number of Christians, which bring shame to Jesus.

As an example, one woman in chat claims that a cat spoke to her, and that she resurrected the dead from a morgue. Over time there have been tons of other ones which made similar claims about healings they performed, etcetera.

Yeah, right, I'm sure she bypassed multiple levels of security and raised a dead person in a morgue and it escaped the news..not..

Another claimed Michelle Obama was a guy and he knew it FOR SURE.

But, even more worrisome than ridiculous claims is the fact that such people are considered gurus on the site by a significant number. People flock to them for advice.

Having come from a cult who claimed to have all their i's dotted and their t's crossed doctrinally, and accused other Christians of being ignorant, I sometimes have to consider whether they may be right about a huge segment of Christianity. They themselves had poor theology, but their assessment of the gullibility of some other Christians seems to be on target.

I am guessing a full third of Christians would find such an individual as mentioned above to be plausible as a source of truth, even though they make outlandish claims.

Anyways, I am considering keeping a running list of ridiculous claims that people make in the chatroom, and bringing them up on a regular basis. Maybe that will shame them into not shaming Christ by making such outlandish claims.

Luckily, Christians in my real life are not so foolish or I'd likely abandon Christianity.

very interesting post.

I think an argument could be made that the name of the thread could be or maybe should be "those who cliam to be Christians shaming the body of Christ ".

cats speaking to them, Former first lady being a man , and the vest amounts of gossip too, can bring pause to the confession they who do such things in to question by their actions seem not to be what Christ would do .
 
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LOL this is so wrong
 
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Yes,

this is TBN propaganda! just observe BH and his Friend-Special Club Members, ETC...
this a one of the 'biggest satanic clubs/hoaxes' in history'...
 
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I've had quite a few of those "old worn out" cars so I can relate to this story. :)
Not to sure about worn out cars . "Worn out mechanics" that do thier own work yes. Send money to my ministry.LOL
 
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Here's another one..

A charismatic friend, whom I consider to be one of the more sane ones, continually tries to get me to accept charismatic claims concerning demon deliverance, etcetera.

He mentioned a Jewish TV reporter named John Safran who was delivered of demons on camera by a deliverance ministry guy as good "proof" that this occurs.

I would like you to watch this video regarding this and let me know the problems based on Scripture.

Here's what I find to be hoky:

1) the potential demoniac comes to the deliverance ministry guy himself..and acts rationally when he is discussing prior to the
deliverance
2) the deliverance ministry guy submits him to a 20 page questionnaire to assess his potential for possession
3) the deliverance guy claims to know the history of the demon
4) the overall clown show approach..

Since when did Jesus or any of the apostles submit anyone to a 20 page questionnaire, and a technique similar to psychoanalysis, prior to casting the demons out? Hilarious.

Now, I can't explain what exactly happened during this video, but suffice it to say that a good actor obviously could have faked the whole thing. Maybe he needed a new gig, and wanted to become a poster child for demonic deliverance ministries..I don't know.

Anyways watch it and see what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyef640HEM

Think about whether this technique is biblical..does the Bible show anything like it?

I don't doubt that God could cause a demon to leave after the prayer of one or more of his children...so there's no issue with me in that regard. My issue is with those who make ridiculous claims, and who are obviously flaky. Listen to the words of the guy who is claiming to cast out the demons, claiming he knows where the demon has been in past ages. Hilarious.

I don't think Jesus or any of the apostles went through this sort of deliverance ceremony. What do you think? Is this the best proof that can be offered to me?
I don't think Jesus or any of the apostles went through this sort of deliverance ceremony. What do you think? Is this the best proof that can be offered to me?


The best proof I believe would be the gospel, the hearing of His faith that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteouseness . Its why we trmeble at his word knowing our living God is working in us with us as the kind of fear that comes from knowing with Him we have forgiveness according to His great mercy or who could stand in his holy presence as the throne of His grace if even he held one sin against us.

Experiences of the flesh or what is called "out of the body" experences are not a spiritual authority of things not seen (faith) If they were then shame on Christ who fasted for forty days never moveing one inch in he dessert but was taken and shown all the kingdoms of the world ….plus… all the glory that goes with them .Rather than believing that lying sign as a wonder (the faith element) he again and again said, as it is written.. after three strikes the father of lies was out of there.Three usaully points to the end of the matter.

Attributing the work of God as if it could come after the things of men and not the gospel as the true fast is why the disciples could not cast out the demon. They only come out by the power of the gospel as it is written from faith (the unseen) to the same faith of Christ in God.

Look for the true fast, the key that unlocks the gospel then we can seek Christ daily, and delight to know his ways taking delight in approaching to God. It is hidden in parables that reveal the spiritual understanding. Sustaining from foods necessary for these bodies of death is not the kind of fast that can drive out demons. If that was the case of not eating Christ failed not having a bite for forty days
 
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He did a assessment on the demoniac lolol haha
 
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Here's another one to add to the list.

One individual in the chat room is claiming that the "solitary vice" is caused by demons that possess only individual body parts that cause people to sin. This is accompanied by the claim that the individual needs deliverance ministries to combat the sin.

The person continually talks with the authority of being a teacher, even though he's only in his early 20's. He's been repetitively corrected yet he continues to make these claims.

I am wondering if this sort of claim is common within charismatic circles. My guess is that most charismatics are wincing at this point, but maybe I am wrong.

Apparently the idea is that a believer can't be possessed, but individual body parts can.

He is getting his teachings from some guy named Gary C. Price of Omega Ministries..anyone know anything about him? He has some YouTube videos. He has coarse language and refers to body parts in an immodest way. Some of the titles look pretty kooky.
 
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Here's another one to add to the list.

One individual in the chat room is claiming that the "solitary vice" is caused by demons that possess only individual body parts that cause people to sin. This is accompanied by the claim that the individual needs deliverance ministries to combat the sin.

The person continually talks with the authority of being a teacher, even though he's only in his early 20's. He's been repetitively corrected yet he continues to make these claims.

I am wondering if this sort of claim is common within charismatic circles. My guess is that most charismatics are wincing at this point, but maybe I am wrong.

Apparently the idea is that a believer can't be possessed, but individual body parts can.

He is getting his teachings from some guy named Gary C. Price of Omega Ministries..anyone know anything about him? He has some YouTube videos. He has coarse language and refers to body parts in an immodest way. Some of the titles look pretty kooky.
I'll also add that there is another guy making similar claims. They claim they are doing spiritual warfare in their wet dreams, and that demons are fondling them in their sleep.

I am wondering if these sorts of teachings are common within the charismatic realm, or if these guys are aberrations.

Life is always interesting in the Bible Study room.

By the way, the first guy takes it upon himself to criticize others' theology as being heretical, etcetera, so I have no issue with addressing his weird theology.

These guys crack me up :) Seems like they'd take personal responsibility for their lust issues instead of blaming demons.
 
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I'll also add that there is another guy making similar claims. They claim they are doing spiritual warfare in their wet dreams, and that demons are fondling them in their sleep.

I am wondering if these sorts of teachings are common within the charismatic realm, or if these guys are aberrations.

Life is always interesting in the Bible Study room.

By the way, the first guy takes it upon himself to criticize others' theology as being heretical, etcetera, so I have no issue with addressing his weird theology.
alot of strange doctrines and people indeed. im scared of these new movements u see. something like benny hinn im scared of. i once saw a youtube video called kundalini in the church or something and it showed the similarities, its veery similar. it got me scared to avoid these things, i wont say any judgment on what the source is to not blaspheme the Spirit but lets just say im scared and will stay away from that u see.
 
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The claims of others, their signs, and wonders, their spiritual trips outside the body, their divine revelations, their dreams "from God," their many trips to heaven, these superfluous lies are provided not by God but are at the least pure emotionalism, and at worse have a more sinister source.

They are designed to cheapen the Gospel of Christ and the holiness of God.

Those who proclaim their revelations typically hold this attitude: If you dare challenge my personal spiritual divine revelation you are against God, and typically, out of context, of course, they will quote 2 Timothy 3:5 which says nothing of which they imply it to say.

These have nothing to back up their claims and have become, subjectively, their own authority. To be fair, if these things took place (and they do not) then call a Bible publisher and have them added to the canon, after all, you're an apostle.

Another thing: these cannot by default claim they are Sola Scriptura. Yes, the sufficiency and authority of Scripture are also assaulted by these revelations.
 
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It alarms me most because the misrepresentation of Jesus in the chatroom is actually believed by others; as well as guests viewing it. I agree with most that has been said; especially that it is shameful. Yes we who are responding know who the great deceiver is, but apparently some do not grasp it. It is a daily occurrence in chat now to see it mentioned as absolute truth when nowhere in scripture can you find a basis for it. I pray for those who fell prey to the false teachings and for those who may yet.
 
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It alarms me most because the misrepresentation of Jesus in the chatroom is actually believed by others; as well as guests viewing it. I agree with most that has been said; especially that it is shameful. Yes we who are responding know who the great deceiver is, but apparently some do not grasp it. It is a daily occurrence in chat now to see it mentioned as absolute truth when nowhere in scripture can you find a basis for it. I pray for those who fell prey to the false teachings and for those who may yet.
The moderators or admins should ban him or forbid him from talking about it. Maybe he just hasn't been caught yet but it's been almost a month. It's hilarious in a way but it's also harmful if some younger Christian takes him seriously. If I talk with younger Christians I make sure they know that they shouldn't get their theology in the chat room. There's a lot of sound believers but some unsound ones too.
 
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Perhaps an important question to ask is what was the purpose of miracles in both the Old and New Testament? If it was to validate both the prophet, apostle, and the Son of God as being sent from God and their message as coming from him then such things have passed away because there are no more prophets and apostles today.
 
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Here's another one...

This Messianic/Hebrew Roots guy in the chat room calls sound believers "false shepherds".

He was claiming yesterday that his brother was from the tribe of Gad and he is from another Israelite tribe, and that is why they fight with each other.

I don't know how that all works, since if they had the same mother and father, they should theoretically have the same lineage, but the amusing part is that he thinks that all Christians are Israelites of some sort.

He told someone else in the room that if he was saved, he was likely a member of one of the tribes of Israel, and that alleged Gentiles in the church are from the northern kingdom.

He also said that it is pleasing to God to offer animal sacrifices, not for the forgiveness of sin, but for other offerings. :)

Another guy calls himself a Nazarene and claims our Hebrew/Greek texts are corrupted, so he's coming up with a new translation. Never mind that he has no formal training in languages. He keeps trying to get other chatters to review his translation. Not surprising, he starts with the book of John because he has issues with the Trinity (some other Messianic dude).
 
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Oh wow I never knew any of this.

Sparkman you said:
Chat room claims are CHEAP. I am not impressed by the claims of such individuals.

If you feel that strongly about what your saying why don't you just not go into the chatrooms?

I mean if their liars and the chat room is full of liars then that's not somewhere you would want to be anyways.

On the other hand if they are being truthful and what they say is true that's not somewhere u would want to be considering that you are there throwing stones. Remember what God does to the enemies.

Either way, bottom line is don't go there
 
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Here's another amusing one.

A fellow who has admitted that he has spent time in mental health facilities tells me that I am demon possessed because I believe Reformed theology and it is demonic.

So, my reply is that I think I require more evidence than the statement of some guy who has spent time in a mental health facility claiming I am demon possessed.

I don't look down on people who have had mental health care treatment. I may need it myself someday. But, if the guy is claiming I am a demoniac for holding a particular view of predestination, I think maybe he needs to consider his credibility.

By the way he's the guy who listens to Gary C. Price of Omega Ministries that I mentioned in the previous posts. I suspect he got his beliefs regarding Calvinism from that guy :)

He also believes that demons can possess particular body parts and cause sinful behavior in a Christian, while the overall Christian remains not possessed.

Where do people get this loony stuff? :)