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dcontroversal

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You have the right to believe what you desire. As well as many say those of you who actually believe the bride of christ will go through the tribulation are blind.
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Yeah this view bears out like a lead balloon floating in water.....hey genius.....for the last 2000 years what has the Lord's bride went thru?

Some 60 to 80 million killed in the most horrendous ways during the dark ages, the Christians being popped like dogs in a ditch, burnt, crucified, beheaded in Syria, Iraq, Africa.....

You should read the Churches of the Valleys of Piedmont and Fox's Book of Martyrs and then come back with the bolded argument.....

and it is obvious you did not get the point!
 
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Yeah this view bears out like a lead balloon floating in water.....hey genius.....for the last 2000 years what has the Lord's bride went thru? Some 60 to 80 million killed in the most horrendous ways during the dark ages, the Christians being popped like dogs in a ditch, burnt, crucified, beheaded in Syria, Iraq, Africa..... You should read the Churches of the Valleys of Piedmont and Fox's Book of Martyrs and then come back with the bolded argument..... and it is obvious you did not get the point!
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Nothing that has happened already will come close to the great tribulation to come. I would assume you would have known that by now.
 
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Nothing that has happened already will come close to the great tribulation to come. I would assume you would have known that by now.
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This point means zero....

I would assume that you know how ridiculous it is to say the bride of Christ will not suffer during the tribulation when it has been suffering for the last 2000 years almost...

The logic does not bear out.....and is rather arrogant seeing how Jesus tells us his church will apostate and fall from the truth.....

shakes head at the flippant attitude toward the reality of the situation
 
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This point means zero.... I would assume that you know how ridiculous it is to say the bride of Christ will not suffer during the tribulation when it has been suffering for the last 2000 years almost... The logic does not bear out.....and is rather arrogant seeing how Jesus tells us his church will apostate and fall from the truth..... shakes head at the flippant attitude toward the reality of the situation
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It pretty ridiculous for you to believe past sufferings would even come close to comparing to the great tribulation. Arrogant? I clearly stated in the beginning believe what you desire. Perhaps its your overwhelming pride and arrogance you display on a regular basis that has you blinded of that.
 
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Hey Pry: Why did Jesus say that the church would go through the great tribulation? It is clearly written in Matt 24 and Mark 13. Just because John Darby came alone and claimed that the rapture of the church that Jesus gave to the church is not the rapture of the church...does not change the fact that Jesus Himself gave us the rapture of the church, and it is after the tribulation. So, why would God allow the church to go through the great tribulation? Because Jesus said that the church would go through the great tribulation...that is enough for me.
 
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If you can read with understanding all 7 Trumps are in the book of Revelation. Come on now.
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No,there are 7 and others.

His voice trumpets in his glory,authority,and heralding.

To say that there are ONLY 7 is conjecture.

You need there to be 7 for your theory to work,and you ASSUME He CANNOT come back pretrib with a shout,that is AS a trumpet.

You have angels sounding " physical" trumpet instruments,and God shouting as a trumpet.

Solid biblical facts,that hurt your theory.
 
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Read the first part of rev.

Jesus speaks and it sounds like a trumpet.

I have looked over the trumpet component years ago.

Your side knows nothing about the last trump blown every year at the feast of trumpets.

When you have a doctrine based on omission,at some point ,if you make an honest evaluation,you WILL ASK YOURSELF,"what is wrong with this picture,my side is taken to school on every verse,and every dimension"
 
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Hey Pry: Why did Jesus say that the church would go through the great tribulation? It is clearly written in Matt 24 and Mark 13. Just because John Darby came alone and claimed that the rapture of the church that Jesus gave to the church is not the rapture of the church...does not change the fact that Jesus Himself gave us the rapture of the church, and it is after the tribulation. So, why would God allow the church to go through the great tribulation? Because Jesus said that the church would go through the great tribulation...that is enough for me.
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So apparently you believe all the elect are tribulation saints.
 
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Hey Pry: Why did Jesus say that the church would go through the great tribulation? It is clearly written in Matt 24 and Mark 13. Just because John Darby came alone and claimed that the rapture of the church that Jesus gave to the church is not the rapture of the church...does not change the fact that Jesus Himself gave us the rapture of the church, and it is after the tribulation. So, why would God allow the church to go through the great tribulation? Because Jesus said that the church would go through the great tribulation...that is enough for me.
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Israel becoming a nation is very bad for your deal.

Is that why you are not allowed to include that nuclear blast into your theory?

And btw,most of your dead men you hold infallable were A MILLINIAL.

What is your "reasoning" to get around those major catastrophes to your theory?

Look up "Catholics burned pretribs and their writings".

You base your deal on catholic mad men that were A MILLINEAL.

You are way,way,way off.

You chose wrong. You picked a side,then put all your apples in that doomed basket.

Your deal is busted. That is why you find yourself in the same camp as Catholics and a millinealists
 
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It pretty ridiculous for you to believe past sufferings would even come close to comparing to the great tribulation. Arrogant? I clearly stated in the beginning believe what you desire. Perhaps its your overwhelming pride and arrogance you display on a regular basis that has you blinded of that.
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The reason is,they see a word ,"tribulation",a proceed to make that word into a blanket one dimensionl cornerstone of pure conjecture.

It seems dishonest to me,that they could even remotely connect everyday tribulation to the GT.

Like a wave from a row boat is no different from a tidal wave. "they are both waves,so the wave off that boat in the lake is at least 60 ft high". " it says right there in the article 'Wave',so it is the same thing,and must have destroyed everything for miles", " man,those boats are deadly"

That is their unbelievable methodology.
It literally depends on framing end times in hyper one dimensional error.

Their entire deal is framed in error.
 
dcontroversal

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PrynceNY said:
It pretty ridiculous for you to believe past sufferings would even come close to comparing to the great tribulation. Arrogant? I clearly stated in the beginning believe what you desire. Perhaps its your overwhelming pride and arrogance you display on a regular basis that has you blinded of that.
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You obviously missed the point....what ever...time will tell...good luck
 
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samuel23 said:
Hey Pry: Why did Jesus say that the church would go through the great tribulation? It is clearly written in Matt 24 and Mark 13. Just because John Darby came alone and claimed that the rapture of the church that Jesus gave to the church is not the rapture of the church...does not change the fact that Jesus Himself gave us the rapture of the church, and it is after the tribulation. So, why would God allow the church to go through the great tribulation? Because Jesus said that the church would go through the great tribulation...that is enough for me.
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They will find out soon enough.....bad day for them
 
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PrynceNY said:
By how many threads created on this topic, im conviced those who proclaim the Pre Trib is false repeatedly really look forward to suffering during the tribulation.
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Those who proclaim 'pre-trib' to be false are simply trying to warn sleeping Christians to wake up.


Revelation 6:

[SUP]9[/SUP] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: [SUP]10[/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? [SUP]11[/SUP] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


The souls under the altar are Tribulation Saints of the past. ( mostly 50+ million from the Dark Ages )

Those "that should be killed as they were" are Tribulation Saints of the future. ( millions? billions? )

We are in the Great Tribulation period NOW.

It started ~70 A.D. and will end at some point in the future.

It will get much worse before it ends; the worst is yet to come.

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dcontroversal said:
.....the people hiding in dens (something prepared) caves and rocks all WRONGFULLY assume the wrath is here at the 6th seal....
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That is actually not true. However, you need not worry about the "correctness" of the 6th seal. In time-frame terms, it actually represents a span of time that overlaps the 'trumpets' and the 'vials'. Everything listed / mentioned in that passage does not "happen all at once"; rather, it is inclusive of several things that happen over a span of time that - in prophetic terms - is not considered as a single 'event'.

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dcontroversal said:
shakes head at the flippant attitude toward the reality of the situation
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The mind that cannot handle the reality of "things getting worse" invents and mandates that there "must be" a "worse time coming" that is "so unlike anything up to now" that it cannot be compared to the events of today.

They are thinking about the 'trumpet' events ( I don't think anyone on CC believes we will go through the 'vial' events, which are the 'Wrath of God'. ) -- which will be terrible - yes; however, there will be precious few Christians to see it happen -- they will have all been killed by then. All indications seem to be - that the 144,000 are all that is left at that point...

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PrynceNY said:
It pretty ridiculous for you to believe past sufferings would even come close to comparing to the great tribulation.
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Not if you understand that [ certain ] "past sufferings" are actually part of the Great Tribulation.

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samuel23 said:
Hey Pry: Why did Jesus say that the church would go through the great tribulation? It is clearly written in Matt 24 and Mark 13. Just because John Darby came alone and claimed that the rapture of the church that Jesus gave to the church is not the rapture of the church...does not change the fact that Jesus Himself gave us the rapture of the church, and it is after the tribulation. So, why would God allow the church to go through the great tribulation? Because Jesus said that the church would go through the great tribulation...that is enough for me.
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"Far better to simply believe what the Bible says..."

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GaryA said:
That is actually not true. However, you need not worry about the "correctness" of the 6th seal. In time-frame terms, it actually represents a span of time that overlaps the 'trumpets' and the 'vials'. Everything listed / mentioned in that passage does not "happen all at once"; rather, it is inclusive of several things that happen over a span of time that - in prophetic terms - is not considered as a single 'event'.

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Yeahhhh I don't buy that....the sun goes dark, the moon goes dark, the stars fall from heaven and the earth quakes as they look up and attempt to hide from the face of him that sits on the throne.....sorry....don't buy it
 
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PrynceNY said:
So apparently you believe all the elect are tribulation saints.
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Now -- just think about this for a moment...


Matthew 24:

[SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22[/SUP] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Do these verses not "imply" - very explicitly - that the 'elect' mentioned in verse 22 would be experiencing the 'great tribulation' mentioned in verse 21...?

What days are being shortened?

For whose sake are those days being shortened?

Why would it be for their sake if they were not experiencing it?

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