The Rapture More False Teachings

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The Rapture False Teaching if there ever was any. Some men have blinders on. And they want to feel secure and not worry about Gods wrath in the in times. If they would read Gods word and not part of Gods word there eyes would be opened. Jesus speaking of the end time here in Luke 10:19 Behold I give unto you power to tread on SERPENTS and SCORPIONS and over all the power of the enemy and NOTHING shall by any means hurt you. Is Jesus just blowing hot air here. He didn't say Ill remove you from anything. He said I give you power. I truly believe his word. Do you.
It seems when the so called Rapture is mentioned man jumps straight to 1 Thessalonians. Verses 13-18 I would like for someone to tell me where it says that the return being spoken of here is to avoid Gods wrath. It doesn't say that. It simply tells you where the dead are. And that he returns at the last Trump. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump the Trump of God. I have read here on this forum that there are more than 7 Trumps. I would like for anyone to show me where they are. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump is the Trump of God spoken of in the book of Revelation Period.
 

Ahwatukee

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The Rapture False Teaching if there ever was any. Some men have blinders on. And they want to feel secure and not worry about Gods wrath in the in times.


Buddyt, Believers should not fear God's wrath and that because Jesus already suffered God's wrath on our behalf. We have been reconciled to God, which means that we have been brought back into a right relationship with him through faith in Christ. Through faith, we have also been credited with righteousness. Taking this into consideration, why would God still send his church through His wrath?

In Rev.3:10, Jesus promises us that he will keep believers out of the hour of trial that coming upon the whole world.

In 1 Thes.1:10, paul tells us that Christ rescued us from God's coming wrath and in 5:9, he tells us that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

By your responses, you also do not understand that there is a difference between the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would have vs. the coming wrath of God. The former comes at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness, with the latter coming directly from God upon a Christ rejecting world, which believers are not.

As I continue to tell you and others, the 7th trumpet of the trumpet judgments, is not synonymous with the "last trumpet" of 1 Cor.15:52. The only thing that they have in common is that they are both trumpets, but not the same trumpet. You need to let your protective wall down and check into the things that we are sharing with you.

Is Jesus just blowing hot air here. He didn't say Ill remove you from anything. He said I give you power


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They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath."

"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. "

"Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth."


According to the scriptures listed above, it looks to me that God's word says that we are not appointed to suffer wrath, that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath and that He is going to keep us out of the coming wrath.

Since the scriptures are right in front of you, why don't you take your own advice and take the blinders off so you can see.
 
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Ahwatukee

Not meaning to be smart to you. But maybe you should take some of your own advice. And please tell me of these other TRUMPS and where they are in Gods word.. Your understanding of the word needs help.
 
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The Rapture False Teaching if there ever was any. Some men have blinders on. And they want to feel secure and not worry about Gods wrath in the in times. If they would read Gods word and not part of Gods word there eyes would be opened. Jesus speaking of the end time here in Luke 10:19 Behold I give unto you power to tread on SERPENTS and SCORPIONS and over all the power of the enemy and NOTHING shall by any means hurt you. Is Jesus just blowing hot air here. He didn't say Ill remove you from anything. He said I give you power. I truly believe his word. Do you.
It seems when the so called Rapture is mentioned man jumps straight to 1 Thessalonians. Verses 13-18 I would like for someone to tell me where it says that the return being spoken of here is to avoid Gods wrath. It doesn't say that. It simply tells you where the dead are. And that he returns at the last Trump. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump the Trump of God. I have read here on this forum that there are more than 7 Trumps. I would like for anyone to show me where they are. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump is the Trump of God spoken of in the book of Revelation Period.
How many threads do we need on this topic?
 

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What gets me with the dispensationalists is they quote this:

"Pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape all that is about to happen"

Then have the cheek to project something that is about to happen 1900 years into the future.

If I say I'm about to serve lunch and it doesn't appear for 1900 years I'm sure you'd be a bit miffed..:p
 
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But, of course, there will actually be 15 more ----- or 35 --- or 85...

EDIT: Just trying to be funny buddyt - not intending to criticize your thread.

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What gets me with the dispensationalists is they quote this:

"Pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape all that is about to happen"

Then have the cheek to project something that is about to happen 1900 years into the future.

If I say I'm about to serve lunch and it doesn't appear for 1900 years I'm sure you'd be a bit miffed..:p
I got a better one for you.

Jesus; "Behold I come quickly"

(proving the bible is not a mental book)
 
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The Rapture False Teaching if there ever was any. Some men have blinders on. And they want to feel secure and not worry about Gods wrath in the in times. If they would read Gods word and not part of Gods word there eyes would be opened. Jesus speaking of the end time here in Luke 10:19 Behold I give unto you power to tread on SERPENTS and SCORPIONS and over all the power of the enemy and NOTHING shall by any means hurt you. Is Jesus just blowing hot air here. He didn't say Ill remove you from anything. He said I give you power. I truly believe his word. Do you.
It seems when the so called Rapture is mentioned man jumps straight to 1 Thessalonians. Verses 13-18 I would like for someone to tell me where it says that the return being spoken of here is to avoid Gods wrath. It doesn't say that. It simply tells you where the dead are. And that he returns at the last Trump. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump the Trump of God. I have read here on this forum that there are more than 7 Trumps. I would like for anyone to show me where they are. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump is the Trump of God spoken of in the book of Revelation Period.
You are doing the same thing you are accusing us of.

You are taking "trumpets" and "trump",and telling us there are exactly seven of them,with zero proof.

All you have proven,is that there are trumpet blasts when he comes,or,there are SOUNDS LIKE a trumpet when he shouts.
That is ALL that is conclusive.

Your theory DEPENDS on conjecture. You need all of them to be the same thing,when it is CLEAR that there are others.
 
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popeye

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What gets me with the dispensationalists is they quote this:

"Pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape all that is about to happen"

Then have the cheek to project something that is about to happen 1900 years into the future.

If I say I'm about to serve lunch and it doesn't appear for 1900 years I'm sure you'd be a bit miffed..:p
"dispensation" is a time bracket. A "dispensing/dispensation" of time.

No boggy man there.

Example,from the first gentile christian convert to the "times of the gentiles completed" is a time bracket,or a dispensation.

Since you can not honestly refute that,you to are what is called a dispensationalist.
 
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popeye

If you can read with understanding all 7 Trumps are in the book of Revelation. Come on now.
 

Rondonmon

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The Rapture False Teaching if there ever was any. Some men have blinders on. And they want to feel secure and not worry about Gods wrath in the in times. If they would read Gods word and not part of Gods word there eyes would be opened. Jesus speaking of the end time here in Luke 10:19 Behold I give unto you power to tread on SERPENTS and SCORPIONS and over all the power of the enemy and NOTHING shall by any means hurt you. Is Jesus just blowing hot air here. He didn't say Ill remove you from anything. He said I give you power. I truly believe his word. Do you.
It seems when the so called Rapture is mentioned man jumps straight to 1 Thessalonians. Verses 13-18 I would like for someone to tell me where it says that the return being spoken of here is to avoid Gods wrath. It doesn't say that. It simply tells you where the dead are. And that he returns at the last Trump. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump the Trump of God. I have read here on this forum that there are more than 7 Trumps. I would like for anyone to show me where they are. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trump is the Trump of God spoken of in the book of Revelation Period.
Matthew 24:1-6 is about the Temple and Jerusalem being Destroyed.

Matthew 24:7-13 is about the 2000 year period between Jesus/AD 70ish and the Rapture.

Matthew 24:14-26 is about the Time of Troubles.

Matthew 24:27-31 is about the Second Coming.

Matthew 24:32-44 is about the Rapture.

The Last one should come after verse 13 and before verse 14. But of course, Paul said the Rapture was a Mystery, it isn't really about the Jewish peoples in that most of them don't except Christ until Jacobs Trouble/70th Week is upon them. But nevertheless Jesus had to tell the few Messianic Jews their plight also, and thus he did,

Use a little logic, as in the Days of Noah !! Really? Do you think just before the Second Coming, with all of those Plagues, people will be MARRYING/PARTYING/EATING? No, of course not, they will be hiding from Gods Wrath. Thus just before the Rapture, they will be Marrying/Partying/Eating unawares. By the time the Second Coming gets here, they will be WELL AWARE of Christ. So you see, even Jesus told about the Rapture, you just have to have EARS to hear it with.

Revelation 19 is the Church in Heaven Marrying the Lamb. Then w come back with Jesus on White Horses and the Anti-Christ and his Armies are OPPS........Still on Earth. That requires a Rapture to take place.

Jesus speaking of his bride in John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

In the Jewish Wedding the son built a bridal chamber in his fathers house, when it was ready then the father would give the order to go get the bride, but at the fathers timing. So one night around midnight, a night not know to the son, the father would send the son, he would go and get the Bride who would be EXPECTANT but SURPRISED. They then stayed in the Bridal chambers for SEVEN DAYS !!!

Now imagine Jesus is building us a Bridal Chamber in his Fathers house (Heaven), now John 14:2 makes plenty of sense. We go to the Bridal chamber for SEVEN YEARS (Revelation 19) then come back with Jesus IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation. And that is just one inference that aligns with the Jewish Wedding Pattern. A few More:

1 – Selection of the Bride
Jewish Wedding - The Son chooses the Bride – the Father makes the arrangements
Church - John 15:16 – “You did not choose Me, but I chose you . . .”


2 – The Bride Price established
Jewish Wedding - The father of the bride must be reimbursed for the loss of his daughter.
Church - I Corinthians 6:20 - “For you were bought with a price.” The Bride price was paid when Jesus died on the Cross.



5 – The Bride must consent
Jewish Wedding – This is not entirely an arranged marriage; the bride must agree.
Church – “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;” (Mark 16:16) “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)


6 – The Bridal Gift and the Cup of the Covenant
Jewish Wedding – A glass of wine is taken upon the signing of the contract.
Church – Each time we gather around the Lord’s Table, we remember the “contract.” “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28)
Jewish Wedding – The Bride is given a gift by the groom.
Church - The Holy Spirit is given by Jesus –– “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38) This, of course, occurred on the Day of Pentecost.


9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
Church - First Peter 2:9 – “But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people.”


10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
Church - First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”


11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
Church – This period when the Bride and Groom spend time together seems to show that the Bride of Jesus will be with Him in Heaven. This appears to indicate a pre-Tribulation gathering of the Church, and is described in Isaiah 26:20; “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”


12 – The Marriage Supper
Church – “‘Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” (The Revelation 19:7-9)

It takes a little study. But its there. There is a reason Paul said I show you a MYSTERY.
 
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Matthew 24:1-6 is about the Temple and Jerusalem being Destroyed.

Matthew 24:7-13 is about the 2000 year period between Jesus/AD 70ish and the Rapture.

Matthew 24:14-26 is about the Time of Troubles.

Matthew 24:27-31 is about the Second Coming.

Matthew 24:32-44 is about the Rapture.
No.

Please see the 'Olivet Discourse' web page linked to in my signature.

:)
 

Rondonmon

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Yes.........I have done my own Exegesis on Matthew 24. Now if you want to make a statement what you disagree with I will answer your question/difference of opinion. But since you only said not, I say YES.
 

p_rehbein

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I'm happy to criticize his unBiblical Thread........... :)

Yo, buddydude

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But, of course, there will actually be 15 more ----- or 35 --- or 85...

EDIT: Just trying to be funny buddyt - not intending to criticize your thread.

:)
 

p_rehbein

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Somebody get out their scissors and cut all these Scriptures outta da Bible...........well, according to buddyboy

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Luke 17:34-37 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Mark 13:32 - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 24:29-31 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Daniel 12:1-2 - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Matthew 24:31 - And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 12:40 - Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Revelation 20:2-5 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 5:2 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Luke 17:34 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Read More...)

Mark 13:32-37 - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Read More...)

Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 
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By how many threads created on this topic, im conviced those who proclaim the Pre Trib is false repeatedly really look forward to suffering during the tribulation.
 
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Most know my stance...post great tribulation/pre-wrath ingathering....

Through much TRIBULATION we must enter the Kingdom of God....but it also says that we are not appointed unto wrath....

Regardless....the wrath of God (ORGE) is announced in heaven before the throne as being here at the 7th trump of Revelation.....the people hiding in dens (something prepared) caves and rocks all WRONGFULLY assume the wrath is here at the 6th seal....I will go with the inspired announcement that the wrath is here at the 7th trump over a record of what men assume and say!
 
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By how many threads created on this topic, im conviced those who proclaim the Pre Trib is false repeatedly really look forward to suffering during the tribulation.
Convinced hey....well...maybe those who believe post trib/pre-wrath are convinced that pre tribbers are blind? Is that a fair assessment?........you get the point!
 
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Convinced hey....well...maybe those who believe post trib/pre-wrath are convinced that pre tribbers are blind? Is that a fair assessment?........you get the point!
You have the right to believe what you desire. As well as many say those of you who actually believe the bride of christ will go through the tribulation are blind.