WHY SO MUCH HATRED AND DISTRUST FOR THE LOCAL CHURCH? BEWARE THE KOOKS

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Feb 1, 2014
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I am wondering why there is so much hatred for local churches on this site. It's way out of proportion to the general Christian population.

Christianity is obviously within the context of community. It involves the ordinances of baptism and observing the Lord's Supper, as well as church discipline which is applied lovingly when a member is in sin. All of these things require face-to-face, participatory fellowship.

Here's some reasons I've heard for not being in church fellowship:

1. I know more than the pastors in my area. Well, I've heard this remark from people who don't reflect sound
doctrine, so I doubt that. Additionally, are they willing to drive further in order to attend a sound church, where the
pastor gives decent sermons? I have driven over 30 miles each way to attend a church that was to my satisfaction.

2. All the churches are in biblical error and I am afraid of falling into biblical error. If you listen to people
here, you may arrive at that conclusion. To be honest, many of them are cultists and they are seeking to degrade
Christianity by their false teachings, which sound credible but are not, when examined deeply. I was part of a cultic
group as a young person. I encourage you, if you're a younger seeker, not to fall into the trap they are ensnared
in.

3. I am not physically able. I can sympathize with this one, and in this case, online fellowship is better than no
fellowship.

4. I am a new Christian, and can't find a church. I can sympathize with that one, too. I suggest looking for a
church that is part of a sound association, such as Evangelical Free Church of America, Christian and Missionary
Alliance, and 9marks associated churches. All of those have online church finders. There are many other good
churches besides these; the key word is to find an evangelical church that believes the ten basic points I list in my
profile (deity of Christ, Triune nature of God, substitutionary atonement of Jesus, virgin birth, original sin, authority
and inspiration of Scripture, eternal reward of the righteous and eternal punishment of the wicked, justification by
faith alone, bodily resurrection of Jesus and believers).

5. I have social anxiety and it's hard to be around people. I can relate to that one too. When I first started
attending church, I was very anxious while attending services. Often sweat would be pouring down my face. It didn't
help that the church had a dress code of wearing suits, which made me feel uncomfortable. Nowadays that's not so
common.

6. Someone has hurt my feelings, so I'm not going to attend church. Well, join the club and get over it. I
counseled with a pastor on a sensitive issue and he didn't maintain my confidentiality. For a long while, I took out
my anger on other Christians concerning that. Makes sense, eh? One person, or a group of people, do something, and
I label all other fellowships or Christians as bad? That's the kind of poor reasoning Satan wants us to use to keep us
in isolation. Satan loves it when God's children stay in isolation; they are easy targets that way. He can pick off the
sheep on the periphery easier than the ones that are grouped together.


When I was looking for a church a while back, I looked for a church that showed love toward one another (John 13:34-35), was Christ-centered (Jesus and salvation is mentioned in the sermons), and that the church itself is growing and has a wide variety of ages.

Do I think someone can be a sound, mature Christian and not belong to a local fellowship? I believe God gives extra grace to physically infirmed individuals, and yes they can be sound, mature Christians. There may also be other unique circumstances which cause issues with church attendance.

Do I believe that those who avoid church attendance are growing spiritually? Read Ephesians 4 in regards to the purpose of the church. It says, in essence, that the purpose of the church is to help believers mature. So, if one is not involved in a local fellowship, I don't think they can claim to be a mature Christian.

Some on the site are in rebellion concerning God's command to fellowship, and claim to be mature teachers. Their claims are ludicrous. If they are not well-grounded in a fellowship, you shouldn't consider them to be sources of credible information.

Mainly I would suggest that you want to realize that this chat site attracts a lot of kooks along with good Christians. If you filter your thinking through kooks, then you're going to suffer for it. And, there are a lot of anti-fellowship kooks here. They console themselves into thinking that this is their fellowship, because they don't fit well into the local church due to their kooky conspiracy theories or beliefs. Don't follow their example.

Maybe others can suggest other reasons they've encountered for non-church attendance, and what they look for in a church fellowship.
 
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Its true, if you are isolated from others you can come up with some strange doctrines for sure.
but also whats true is that in bible times it was always a small outcast minority that was right at the end of the day.
its a double edged sword.
but yea GO TO CHURCh people!
 
Feb 1, 2014
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Another group that has a legitimate reason...countries where Christians are persecuted such as Saudi Arabia. It's very hard for an ex Muslim to find an opportunity to fellowship there.

If non-Muslim Christians (such as the many Filipino or Asian workers who are in Saudi Arabia) fellowship with ex-Muslims, they themselves are at risk of being punished by the Saudi government. Muslim apostates themselves are subject to the death penalty. So, it's very hard for such an individual to find fellowship, because many Christians aren't willing to take the risk of being associated with them.

The fact that such individuals exist, who WANT to fellowship but can't due to these types of issues, should shame Christians who have ready fellowship opportunities but don't take advantage of them. We don't even realize what risk others take in their fervent desire to fellowship with brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
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I am wondering why there is so much hatred for local churches on this site. It's way out of proportion to the general Christian population.

Christianity is obviously within the context of community. It involves the ordinances of baptism and observing the Lord's Supper, as well as church discipline which is applied lovingly when a member is in sin. All of these things require face-to-face, participatory fellowship.

Here's some reasons I've heard for not being in church fellowship:

1. I know more than the pastors in my area. Well, I've heard this remark from people who don't reflect sound
doctrine, so I doubt that. Additionally, are they willing to drive further in order to attend a sound church, where the
pastor gives decent sermons? I have driven over 30 miles each way to attend a church that was to my satisfaction.

2. All the churches are in biblical error and I am afraid of falling into biblical error. If you listen to people
here, you may arrive at that conclusion. To be honest, many of them are cultists and they are seeking to degrade
Christianity by their false teachings, which sound credible but are not, when examined deeply. I was part of a cultic
group as a young person. I encourage you, if you're a younger seeker, not to fall into the trap they are ensnared
in.

3. I am not physically able. I can sympathize with this one, and in this case, online fellowship is better than no
fellowship.

4. I am a new Christian, and can't find a church. I can sympathize with that one, too. I suggest looking for a
church that is part of a sound association, such as Evangelical Free Church of America, Christian and Missionary
Alliance, and 9marks associated churches. All of those have online church finders. There are many other good
churches besides these; the key word is to find an evangelical church that believes the ten basic points I list in my
profile (deity of Christ, Triune nature of God, substitutionary atonement of Jesus, virgin birth, original sin, authority
and inspiration of Scripture, eternal reward of the righteous and eternal punishment of the wicked, justification by
faith alone, bodily resurrection of Jesus and believers).

5. I have social anxiety and it's hard to be around people. I can relate to that one too. When I first started
attending church, I was very anxious while attending services. Often sweat would be pouring down my face. It didn't
help that the church had a dress code of wearing suits, which made me feel uncomfortable. Nowadays that's not so
common.

6. Someone has hurt my feelings, so I'm not going to attend church. Well, join the club and get over it. I
counseled with a pastor on a sensitive issue and he didn't maintain my confidentiality. For a long while, I took out
my anger on other Christians concerning that. Makes sense, eh? One person, or a group of people, do something, and
I label all other fellowships or Christians as bad? That's the kind of poor reasoning Satan wants us to use to keep us
in isolation. Satan loves it when God's children stay in isolation; they are easy targets that way. He can pick off the
sheep on the periphery easier than the ones that are grouped together.


When I was looking for a church a while back, I looked for a church that showed love toward one another (John 13:34-35), was Christ-centered (Jesus and salvation is mentioned in the sermons), and that the church itself is growing and has a wide variety of ages.

Do I think someone can be a sound, mature Christian and not belong to a local fellowship? I believe God gives extra grace to physically infirmed individuals, and yes they can be sound, mature Christians. There may also be other unique circumstances which cause issues with church attendance.

Do I believe that those who avoid church attendance are growing spiritually? Read Ephesians 4 in regards to the purpose of the church. It says, in essence, that the purpose of the church is to help believers mature. So, if one is not involved in a local fellowship, I don't think they can claim to be a mature Christian.

Some on the site are in rebellion concerning God's command to fellowship, and claim to be mature teachers. Their claims are ludicrous. If they are not well-grounded in a fellowship, you shouldn't consider them to be sources of credible information.

Mainly I would suggest that you want to realize that this chat site attracts a lot of kooks along with good Christians. If you filter your thinking through kooks, then you're going to suffer for it. And, there are a lot of anti-fellowship kooks here. They console themselves into thinking that this is their fellowship, because they don't fit well into the local church due to their kooky conspiracy theories or beliefs. Don't follow their example.

Maybe others can suggest other reasons they've encountered for non-church attendance, and what they look for in a church fellowship.



For those who tire of excuses why people don't go to church, these are the reasons why I never wash.

1. I was forced to wash as a child.

2. People who wash are hypocrites - they think they're cleaner than others.

3. There are so many kinds of soap I could never decide which was right.

4. I used to wash, but it got boring.

5. I only wash on Christmas and Easter.

6. None of my friends wash.

7. I'll start washing when I'm older.

8. I really don't have the time.

9. The bathroom isn't warm enough.

10. People who make soap are only after your money.


This isn't about me,of course.I wash once a week whether I need it or not
.
:p
 

notuptome

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For those who tire of excuses why people don't go to church, these are the reasons why I never wash.

1. I was forced to wash as a child.

2. People who wash are hypocrites - they think they're cleaner than others.

3. There are so many kinds of soap I could never decide which was right.

4. I used to wash, but it got boring.

5. I only wash on Christmas and Easter.

6. None of my friends wash.

7. I'll start washing when I'm older.

8. I really don't have the time.

9. The bathroom isn't warm enough.

10. People who make soap are only after your money.


This isn't about me,of course.I wash once a week whether I need it or not
.
:p
Over achiever.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Locutus

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Yes, but lets not be washing every week...
 
Dec 3, 2016
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if you are isolated from others you can come up with some strange doctrines
That's a two way street... hanging out with others is a good way to be conned into believing strange stuff. In fact, most churches are getting in to false doctrine these days so more and more people are being called out of those false churches by the Lord Himself.

The Word says to do not forsake the gathering of yourselves so there's other ways to fellowship besides going to local church.

Most churches have the attitude of "this is the way WE believe... if you don't like it, you need to find another church" Not everyone that does not attend a congregation is a nut.

In a growing number of areas there are no bible based churches that teach sound doctrine.

The scripture instructs us to not associated with false doctrine and since in the end there will be much deception, some will need to have home groups or fellowship on the net as to not be supporting nutjobs in church.


I looked for a church that showed love toward one another (John 13:34-35)
Sinners love each other... loving one another is but one of numerous aspects to consider.

If all one is looking for is whether they love one another, one could easily end up in a church that hawkz false teaching.
 
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kaylagrl

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That's a two way street... hanging out with others is a good way to be conned into believing strange stuff. In fact, most churches are getting in to false doctrine these days so more and more people are being called out of those false churches by the Lord Himself.

The Word says to do not forsake the gathering of yourselves so there's other ways to fellowship besides going to local church.

Most churches have the attitude of "this is the way WE believe... if you don't like it, you need to find another church" Not everyone that does not attend a congregation is a nut.

In a growing number of areas there are no bible based churches that teach sound doctrine.

The scripture instructs us to not associated with false doctrine and since in the end there will be much deception, some will need to have home groups or fellowship on the net as to not be supporting nutjobs in church.




Sinners love each other... loving one another is but one of numerous aspects to consider.

If all one is looking for is whether they love one another, one could easily end up in a church that hawkz false teaching.
I cant speak for others but I know false doctrine when I see it and I'd know a false church. There are a lot of churches to choose from. You could fellowship outside church and encounter false doctrine just as quickly.
 

blue_ladybug

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Feb 21, 2014
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Several of the churches here in my city, display the gay pride colors and welcome gays into their congregation. :/ That's a tiny part of the reason I don't go to church, the bigger part is, I'm often confined to bed so I watch an online service streamed from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. :)
 
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I am wondering why there is so much hatred for local churches on this site. It's way out of proportion to the general Christian population.

Christianity is obviously within the context of community. It involves the ordinances of baptism and observing the Lord's Supper, as well as church discipline which is applied lovingly when a member is in sin. All of these things require face-to-face, participatory fellowship.

Here's some reasons I've heard for not being in church fellowship:

1. I know more than the pastors in my area. Well, I've heard this remark from people who don't reflect sound
doctrine, so I doubt that. Additionally, are they willing to drive further in order to attend a sound church, where the
pastor gives decent sermons? I have driven over 30 miles each way to attend a church that was to my satisfaction.

2. All the churches are in biblical error and I am afraid of falling into biblical error. If you listen to people
here, you may arrive at that conclusion. To be honest, many of them are cultists and they are seeking to degrade
Christianity by their false teachings, which sound credible but are not, when examined deeply. I was part of a cultic
group as a young person. I encourage you, if you're a younger seeker, not to fall into the trap they are ensnared
in.

3. I am not physically able. I can sympathize with this one, and in this case, online fellowship is better than no
fellowship.

4. I am a new Christian, and can't find a church. I can sympathize with that one, too. I suggest looking for a
church that is part of a sound association, such as Evangelical Free Church of America, Christian and Missionary
Alliance, and 9marks associated churches. All of those have online church finders. There are many other good
churches besides these; the key word is to find an evangelical church that believes the ten basic points I list in my
profile (deity of Christ, Triune nature of God, substitutionary atonement of Jesus, virgin birth, original sin, authority
and inspiration of Scripture, eternal reward of the righteous and eternal punishment of the wicked, justification by
faith alone, bodily resurrection of Jesus and believers).

5. I have social anxiety and it's hard to be around people. I can relate to that one too. When I first started
attending church, I was very anxious while attending services. Often sweat would be pouring down my face. It didn't
help that the church had a dress code of wearing suits, which made me feel uncomfortable. Nowadays that's not so
common.

6. Someone has hurt my feelings, so I'm not going to attend church. Well, join the club and get over it. I
counseled with a pastor on a sensitive issue and he didn't maintain my confidentiality. For a long while, I took out
my anger on other Christians concerning that. Makes sense, eh? One person, or a group of people, do something, and
I label all other fellowships or Christians as bad? That's the kind of poor reasoning Satan wants us to use to keep us
in isolation. Satan loves it when God's children stay in isolation; they are easy targets that way. He can pick off the
sheep on the periphery easier than the ones that are grouped together.


When I was looking for a church a while back, I looked for a church that showed love toward one another (John 13:34-35), was Christ-centered (Jesus and salvation is mentioned in the sermons), and that the church itself is growing and has a wide variety of ages.

Do I think someone can be a sound, mature Christian and not belong to a local fellowship? I believe God gives extra grace to physically infirmed individuals, and yes they can be sound, mature Christians. There may also be other unique circumstances which cause issues with church attendance.

Do I believe that those who avoid church attendance are growing spiritually? Read Ephesians 4 in regards to the purpose of the church. It says, in essence, that the purpose of the church is to help believers mature. So, if one is not involved in a local fellowship, I don't think they can claim to be a mature Christian.

Some on the site are in rebellion concerning God's command to fellowship, and claim to be mature teachers. Their claims are ludicrous. If they are not well-grounded in a fellowship, you shouldn't consider them to be sources of credible information.

Mainly I would suggest that you want to realize that this chat site attracts a lot of kooks along with good Christians. If you filter your thinking through kooks, then you're going to suffer for it. And, there are a lot of anti-fellowship kooks here. They console themselves into thinking that this is their fellowship, because they don't fit well into the local church due to their kooky conspiracy theories or beliefs. Don't follow their example.

Maybe others can suggest other reasons they've encountered for non-church attendance, and what they look for in a church fellowship.
Isn't it kind of kooky to keep a running list of dumb things other people on this site have said?
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...idiculous-christian-claims-shaming-jesus.html


If all anyone does, (and frankly it often feels like all anyone does anymore on this forum) is put down everyone else, exactly why should anyone trust any church or any Christian?
 
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For those who tire of excuses why people don't go to church, these are the reasons why I never wash.

1. I was forced to wash as a child.

2. People who wash are hypocrites - they think they're cleaner than others.

3. There are so many kinds of soap I could never decide which was right.

4. I used to wash, but it got boring.

5. I only wash on Christmas and Easter.

6. None of my friends wash.

7. I'll start washing when I'm older.

8. I really don't have the time.

9. The bathroom isn't warm enough.

10. People who make soap are only after your money.


This isn't about me,of course.I wash once a week whether I need it or not
.
:p
(Note to self, find clothespin for nose before ever meeting Kayla. ;))
 
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kaylagrl

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(Note to self, find clothespin for nose before ever meeting Kayla. ;))

Lol I will make sure to take that weekly bath just before we meet,I promise.
 

Angela53510

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Funny how the one real, serious heretic on this thread uses the claim of "false doctrine" for being the reason for not going to church. Wow! If anyone needs fellowship and learning to care for the body of Christ, participating in outreach and giving back to the body of Christ, it is that person. I think it would help their rigidity and inflexibility, to say nothing of acting as a check and balance on what he thinks is right, and what is truly right!

I am not sure I agree with not being able to attend church because of a disabilty, although perhaps things are different in the US than in Canada.

I am disabled, and I make it to church every week. Sometimes it is just with a cane, sometimes with crutches, and many times in my wheelchair. The biggest issue in my new church, is that we have only 2 handicapped spaces, plus they are not wide, which you need to bring a wheelchair up to the door and open it and slide the disabled person out. So we literally do not have enough handicapped spaces.

I go to a smallish church. We have a person with spina bifida who is there weekly, and sings beautifully on one of our worship teams. There is another woman who is wheelchair bound and cannot speak, who loves church! There are people walking in with oxygen tanks, a man who was disabled by a brain aneurism and has a claw cane, but was in a wheelchair for an extended period of time.

If church is important, you will get there. Now, I will say that the wheelchair people have aides to help them get there, including driving, taking care of personal needs, etc. This is what we do in Canada to help the disabled be involved in their community and life outside their homes. Maybe the US doesn't have this? However, these disabled people only have so many hours with their aides. I think it is significant that they choose church as part of their hours, giving up other things they might have liked to do.

Now, if you are so bed ridden you actually can't get out of bed, I do hope you have help. I have been there, done that. But again, getting to church was my priority, and I made it, with hubby pushing the wheelchair, because when the flares are bad, it is not just the lower body, but the upper body as well.

As a disabled person, church never failes to lift my spirits. The prayer I had last week, was a real breakthrough in dealing with my disabilty. I can't urge disabled people enough to stop making excuses because of your physical disability and get out and go to church!

As for people with severe social anxiety or shyness, we were talking about that yesterday in my bipolar forum. Many said that they just could not get out and do things with people. One woman is a Christian and hadn't been to church in many years. Someone invited her last Sunday, and now she realizes what she was missing! She is going to go again. I have been praying for her for a few years that someone would invite her to church, and she would go to a service. Of course, finding fellowship in the church is the next step.

Years ago, when I was first saved, I read an article that said going to church resulted in better mental health even for people who were not saved. So literally, fellowship was helping them, as well as the power of hearing God's Word preached.

I'm not judging or condemning anyone here, I just know that watching TV or talking on the internet is simply not the same as being in a real church with real people. I hope this thread will help a few people rethink staying at home, and changes their mind about being a recluse. Because God's plan was for Christians to love one another, and that is so much more easily accomplished in a real life church!
 
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You could fellowship outside church and encounter false doctrine just as quickly
It's easier to get sucked in to false doctrine in a church... due to the peer pressure from others to conform.

If you attend a church and let it be known that you are not 100% on board with everything the pastor and other church leaders say... you will be frowned upon and most likely told that you should consider finding another church home.

I've attended a church for numerous years and due to popular teaching that is in line with many popular TV preachers I never attended any bible studies cause I'm gonna have to say something which will cause a scene because I have plenty of scripture to back up what I'm saying and all they have is "this is what our pastors teach" while not being able to provide scripture references to back stuff up.

So, recently I've gotten to where I'm just not going there anymore. Not just cause of the false teachings, but because as I studied end times stuff the Lord led me to some of the warnings He gave concerning end times stuff which led to digging in a studying many of today's popular teachings which proved to be false when compared with scripture.

And, during all this I closely studied and re-visited the women being pastors issue and the Lord led me to cease being under the leadership of this church cause they have 2 lady pastors ho frequently butcher God's Word from the pulpit claiming numerous things the Lord says in His Word don't actually mean what they say.

So, after looking at numerous churches in the area... there's nothing but either seeker sensitive ear tickling churches or mainline denominational churches none of which are full gospel accepting the entire counsel of God.

So, I'll either need to find a church in excess of 50+ miles from where I live or continue fellow shipping with a few Christian friends I have and that's it.

Since I do have fellowship with other Christians I have no urgent leading from the Lord to go be under a seeker sensitive ear tickling church or mainline denominational church... which is just as well cause I'd have to say something and put some Word up in there which would cause problems for them which wouldn't be very polite.
 
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kaylagrl

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It's easier to get sucked in to false doctrine in a church... due to the peer pressure from others to conform.

If you attend a church and let it be known that you are not 100% on board with everything the pastor and other church leaders say... you will be frowned upon and most likely told that you should consider finding another church home.

I've attended a church for numerous years and due to popular teaching that is in line with many popular TV preachers I never attended any bible studies cause I'm gonna have to say something which will cause a scene because I have plenty of scripture to back up what I'm saying and all they have is "this is what our pastors teach" while not being able to provide scripture references to back stuff up.

So, recently I've gotten to where I'm just not going there anymore. Not just cause of the false teachings, but because as I studied end times stuff the Lord led me to some of the warnings He gave concerning end times stuff which led to digging in a studying many of today's popular teachings which proved to be false when compared with scripture.

And, during all this I closely studied and re-visited the women being pastors issue and the Lord led me to cease being under the leadership of this church cause they have 2 lady pastors ho frequently butcher God's Word from the pulpit claiming numerous things the Lord says in His Word don't actually mean what they say.

So, after looking at numerous churches in the area... there's nothing but either seeker sensitive ear tickling churches or mainline denominational churches none of which are full gospel accepting the entire counsel of God.

So, I'll either need to find a church in excess of 50+ miles from where I live or continue fellow shipping with a few Christian friends I have and that's it.

Since I do have fellowship with other Christians I have no urgent leading from the Lord to go be under a seeker sensitive ear tickling church or mainline denominational church... which is just as well cause I'd have to say something and put some Word up in there which would cause problems for them which wouldn't be very polite.


It certainly may be the case that you cant find a church in your area. But thats not an excuse for others not to attend church. Ive seen a lot of home meetings that got into a lot of false doctrine and then they start their own church. Im not sure what your beliefs are as far as a church that would be a good fit for you.But I think its best for a Christian to get grounded in a good church.It just may not be possible for you.
 

abcdef

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This is what someone told me.

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The church is like a forest, filled with trees.

Some people expect that the trees would all be planted in perfect rows with perfect spacing between the trees.

All the trees would be trimmed and weeded around the bottom.

This is how some tree farms are planted.

----

But in reality, the church is more like a jungle, with broken trees and limbs.

Trees with diseases and twisted trunks.

Animals tear at their roots, and insects eat their leaves.

And wolves in sheep's clothing, seeking who they may devour, roam the woodland floor.

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Do we expect the church to be like the industrial forest, all perfect? Everyone in a row?

Or are the trees of the jungle in need of a physician?

Broken, desperate souls, roots and branches stretching, reaching for living water and spiritual food.

----

When we go to church, which forest do we see?

Which forest should we expect to see?
 

gb9

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This is what someone told me.

----

The church is like a forest, filled with trees.

Some people expect that the trees would all be planted in perfect rows with perfect spacing between the trees.

All the trees would be trimmed and weeded around the bottom.

This is how some tree farms are planted.

----

But in reality, the church is more like a jungle, with broken trees and limbs.

Trees with diseases and twisted trunks.

Animals tear at their roots, and insects eat their leaves.

And wolves in sheep's clothing, seeking who they may devour, roam the woodland floor.

----

Do we expect the church to be like the industrial forest, all perfect? Everyone in a row?

Or are the trees of the jungle in need of a physician?

Broken, desperate souls, roots and branches stretching, reaching for living water and spiritual food.

----

When we go to church, which forest do we see?

Which forest should we expect to see?
that was very good. if I may, I would like to add this- what do you expect to hear?? do you just want to hear about love and grace, or do you want hellfire and brimstone, do right or else?

I would suggest that anyone who is not reading the Bible, not just the same verses over and over, but from start to finish reading the Word-that person is easily deceived by either message , without understanding the balance between love and grace, and judgement and punishment.
 
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notuptome

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Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Scripture enjoins us to assemble together, especially now.

For the cause of Christ
Roger