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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Nice theory, but to some, life seems pointless.
    It could be anything from a rich, "well off" depressed person in a rich neighbourhood in Europe / the USA / wherever to a captive of an anti- Christian government facing torture for his/ her faith.
    I don't know what you where trying to convey, but your approach has me on guard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    I don't know what you where trying to convey, but your approach has me on guard...
    You seem to be suggesting that people don't have the right to be depressed just because others are worse off.
    .... but the knowledge of another persons pain does not make my (or your) pain any less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBird View Post
    I haven't really heard many people approach it in this manner, but I have thought about this often. Being Christians I do not feel we should fear death, but rather look forward to it. Not to the extent of taking our own lives, because I know God has a purpose for each persons life, but just a feeling kinda like a line in the song Elijah by Rich Mullins "it won't break my heart to say goodbye." just for the purpose of being rid of this worlds anxieties and getting to spend the rest of forever with God.

    When I was a teenager I was a very depressed person and was suicidal, but I actually didn't care where I went, as long as it was away from this place we call earth. It was a feeling of despair that lead me to feel that way at the time. But now my looking forward to death is a hope. Not from a sad place, just thinking of the peace and love I know awaits me there.

    So whether you agree with me or not, I just thought this would be an interesting topic to see how different people view the topic. How does everyone else feel we should view death?
    I think death will be brilliant. Because we sin, we can't help sinning as humans. But after we die, we will get to be with Jesus himself, we will get eternal life and we will be free from sin. So yes, it will be a blessing when we die and go to God's kingdom because we will have eternal life with God and will be free from sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    You seem to be suggesting that people don't have the right to be depressed just because others are worse off.
    .... but the knowledge of another persons pain does not make my (or your) pain any less.
    That's your idea, I never said such a thing, quit the Astro projecting...

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    I simply said don't look forward to death but life, then you started whatever your mind came up with.

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    I'm not fiddle to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    That's your idea, I never said such a thing, quit the Astro projecting...
    Then please explain what you DID mean by posting the video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    I hate the idea of death and dying.
    it's becoming a terrible obsession lately.
    I need prayer to help overcome it,
    please pray for me.
    Zone! hope you feel better
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    Quote Originally Posted by umzza View Post
    Zone! hope you feel better
    Ditto..

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    We as Christians should look forward to death,and the world for that matter,for there is no way possible that we can look back in time to death.

    Paul said if he departed it would be great to be with the Lord,but then him staying would be a benefit to people.

    God said precious in the sight of Him is the death of His saints,for then they are with Him.

    I believe we should not worry about it,but God has us where He wants us,whether to stay on earth,or to allow us to depart,not that it is coming from Him though.

    To say we would like to depart,who knows if God wants you to stay,and we should let things run its natural course,for God will have us where He wants us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo View Post
    I don't look forward to death, but I like the idea of dying (when it's time for it). I love to take peaceful walks through cemeteries and look at the dates of birth and death on the tombstones; it's like travelling back in time. Strolling through cemeteries is relaxing and makes us more realistic about the brevity of life on Earth.
    (Yes, I know. Bringing back an old post. Oh well.)
    In the last two years I've had to face what dying looks like twice. Not me dying. My husband and dad dying. (Neither are dead. They came way too close for comfort, and one is still dying.)

    Death doesn't scare me. Dying terrifies me! That won't change until I'm done the dying part.

    Dying can be an EKMO machine, ventilators, 16 IVs going into one person, an outside-the-body pacemaker, dialysis machine, stents, pneumonia, followed by an infection that makes the pneumonia look like the common cold, transplant only after being stabilized, teeth removed when you're barely awake enough to know any of the other stuff that happened.

    Or, it could be losing your memories and common sense with Alzheimer, being unable to notice you just set the woodpile on fire, being unable to realize you just drove for 13.5 hours and have no memory of where you were, or finding a gun and deciding if you're going to kill yourself or kill someone else with it, because it's a gun and triggers should be squeezed. It's being placed in a facility you don't want to live in, and having absolutely no idea why you're there or what you're supposed to do, right down to not remembering a toilet is required when that feeling of fullness hits your bladder.

    Dead bodies and history are in cemeteries. The dying part stinks!
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    what I'm saying is don't look forward to death when there's people in this world who are looking for life. The most stupid thing I ever heard (look forward to death), nothing you can say to me will change my mind. babies in the womb know of death before they even get to breath life.
    I'm looking forward to my father's death. Not because I don't love him. Because I do. He's in Stage III of Alzheimer. He doesn't remember what bathrooms are for. He doesn't want to eat, and the best reason he could give to that is because they won't serve him what he wants. They do. He just can't remember he ordered what he wanted, and he wants something else when it comes. He can't talk anymore. He doesn't quite get who anyone is or why there near him. He's been looking forward to death for 18 months now... except he can't remember even that.

    If the reason you don't look forward to death is because there are people in the world who want to live, what happens to that for the people who want to die?

    Not saying your wrong. Just saying I don't get your reasoning.
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    The apostle Paul looked forward to be with the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    what I'm saying is don't look forward to death when there's people in this world who are looking for life. The most stupid thing I ever heard (look forward to death), nothing you can say to me will change my mind. babies in the womb know of death before they even get to breath life.
    I think you've sort of missed the point of those sharing their heart in here who have contributed. It isn't the process of dying physically that they look forward to. It's that to them, their death won't be their death. It will be the beginning of all that they want and thirst for here. I think it sounds stupid to you because you aren't seeing it the same way they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    Seems morbid to look forward to death, why not look forward to life.
    Amen life without the clay. Looking forward to moving along to a better life. Like a long waited trip to eternity. Don't tell me some get more exited about an amusement park than eternity, if so God see's the heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slave View Post
    What God wants is the sacrifice through death which enables us to do what Jesus did, that is, sacrifice our lives. Not— “Lord, I am ready to go with You . . . to death” (Luke 22:33). But— “I am willing to be identified with Your death so that I may sacrifice my life to God.”


    1 Corinthians 15: 55-57;

    Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting? The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Death to us becomes natural, but the Bible reveals it to be abnormal. Yet there is Spiritual truth that teaches us that our hope is not found in our blessings or rewards of God; it is found in a Person; namely Christ Jesus.

    So, I have to ask myself, why the interest of death at all? It is my hope to not think of the need to eradicate it, for God thru Jesus has done that, and by the sanctity of my relationship to Him, I have nothing to fear in death. Yet I cherish death all the same. For unless we pass thru the Cross of Christ ourselves we know no life. So are we in a conundrum?

    Do I search a better life or this life?

    What's the difference? Have we learned nothing of what I just said? In Christ, victory is now. The shallow Christian will want to not pay the cost of living for Christ and God's will, and would have his druthers in only receiving blessings from God. But the mature Christian, and a loving relationship, will be enlightened to God's will over all other things; will want to love the Person back more than receive what is due him by promises; this then is life eternal - right here - right now - in the Person of Jesus Christ alone, then, and only then, can we absorb in good conscience - "...and all these other things will be added unto you." !

    Truth is the belt we are to wear - always as our defense against any outside foe, as well as of the souls interpretations of who Christ is. Thus, it is (Spiritual) truth that delights God, when we wear it.

    The Bible never allows us to waste time over the departed. It does not mean that the fact of human grief is ignored, but the worship of reminiscence is never allowed. We are to live in the moment, always with God, to call what is, what it is in the light of His Truth; in the Person of Jesus Christ.


    When you are joyful, be joyful; when you are sad, be sad. If God has given you a sweet cup, don’t make it bitter; and if He has given you a bitter cup, don’t try and make it sweet; take things as they come.

    It is good to set our goes toward things to come in our Families business toward the Kingdom of God, for we will share in God's glory then and not yet, but if we are about His will now, is that not more to the point of identifying our love with God? So, in this discussion over death, we must ask the question: "Am I in love with His blessings and gifts more so than I am in love with the Person of Jesus Christ?" This will be a telling answer for us all.

    I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may (not just see) but know the the hope to which He has called you, the riches of His glorious inheritance In "His Holy People" and His incomparably great power for us who believe. (Ephesians 1: 18-22).

    I am reminded of the "Great Commission." Are we not focused on death as it is here and now in relationship to God's Spiritual Truths? I pray, we all, behind closed doors with God, (and not in a human reasoning debate), conclude this for ourselves.Let let theHoly Spirit transform our minds to see death appropriately from all sides of His Truth.



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    For me, heaven is where Jesus is. I do not need to speculate on what heaven will be like. It is enough to know that I will be forever with Him. When I love anyone with my whole heart, life begins when I am with that person; it is only in their company that I am really and truly alive.

    It is so with Christ. In this world my contact with Him is shadowy, for I can only see through a glass darkly. It is done in bursts and done in brief, for I am a poor creature and I cannot live always on the heights. But the best definition of it is to say that heaven is that state where I will always be with Jesus, and where nothing will separate me from Him any more.

    I look forward to being with Him in heaven absolutely, but to look forward to death; well, No - for that darkens my spirit. It seems to me - if I were to appeal such a thought, I would be making the demands. It takes me aloft from His presence and lead and I need never leave His lead again. In His timing, in all things, there go I...Death no longer has a sting, so I can wait and love and serve Him as He pleases....
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    Only the lost do not look foward to death ,some fear it and some don't or else some of them would not commit suicide. ,But the saved wait on the Lord like he told them to. in due time it will come. Walter Peyton put it well when he said " yes i am afraid of death,because i never died before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBird View Post
    I haven't really heard many people approach it in this manner, but I have thought about this often. Being Christians I do not feel we should fear death, but rather look forward to it. Not to the extent of taking our own lives, because I know God has a purpose for each persons life, but just a feeling kinda like a line in the song Elijah by Rich Mullins "it won't break my heart to say goodbye." just for the purpose of being rid of this worlds anxieties and getting to spend the rest of forever with God.

    When I was a teenager I was a very depressed person and was suicidal, but I actually didn't care where I went, as long as it was away from this place we call earth. It was a feeling of despair that lead me to feel that way at the time. But now my looking forward to death is a hope. Not from a sad place, just thinking of the peace and love I know awaits me there.

    So whether you agree with me or not, I just thought this would be an interesting topic to see how different people view the topic. How does everyone else feel we should view death?
    Paul says this

    phillippians 1:21-21-23 "For to me to live is Christ, and TO DIE IS GAIN 22But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a DESIRE TO DEPART and to be with Christ; which is FAR BETTER"

    His only desire to live was to build up the faith of the church, but in Himself His desire to go be with Jesus was more. Just before His death he wrote

    2 timothy 4:6-8 "For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

    The very best thing about Being a Christian is that we do not need fear death, to us its a gate to go meet Jesus

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    peter shows the same in 2 peter ch1 regarding His approaching death, His concern is for the church after His departure, Not himself there is no fear of death after Jesus, only a welcoming hope. its apparent How they felt in those days many christians were slaughtered by rome duroing the great persecutions under nero and domitian. there are recording by josephus who attended a roman slaughter of christians and He accounts of an old man being told to deny Jesus and He would be spared, to which He replies " what can you heathens do to me?"

    the emperor responds to Him " if you do not deny this Jesus, you will be burned at the stake" to which the elderly man replies " and you heathens will burn in the sight of my God on the day of judgement" at this a crowd rushes in and burns the man at the stake. im not sure many know or have studied the early church and the persecutions under nero and domitian and following rules of rome. they were opften burned as this man, crucified , soaked in oil and set ablaze to light neros garden while He hosted carnival type roman games, they were sewn into animal skins and eaten by dogs, thrown into arenas with wild animals and slaughtered whole families mothers children, dads.......

    so brutal they were slaughtered that secular romans began feeling great empathy for them it took almost 300 years but rome finally outlawed the martyring of Christians it was a state Law to persecute them inder 10 consecutive emperors from 67 ad to around 350 ad. this not only according to church history but as i said roman historians wrote the same accounts....

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