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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    but people (well, one person) IS saying that if a Muslim moves next door families will start disappearing
    There is a difference between warning against a dangerous teaching, and racism
    Have they? Youll have to show me a quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    Magenta - There is a large difference between saying something is evil and
    showing an evil reality which is actually taking place.

    I spent years talking with muslims about this very reality. We went through
    the issues, issue after issue, and they would always deny it existed until after
    investigation it came out.

    Bacha Bazi boys is one example that comes to mind.
    In Shia islam it is sex with children because Muhammed had sex with Iasha aged 6.
    Marriage with 9 year old, FGM support is just a beginning.
    I mean, you will always have those with no desire to come to the truth. Like, when we talk with atheists, some will seek Him. And of course, some will continue down the path they have chosen no matter what you say to them. Its the same with Muslims.

    Its like I said about the Gospel. Even if you show them the verses were He clearly claimed to be more than another prophet, they just shake their heads and insist that the Bible has been "corrupted", arguing against the verses in the quran that say the Gospel are from allah and cant be changed by saying it only refers to the "real" Gospel, which has absolutely no evidence of ever existing, and not the one that Paul wrote which we believe.

    If these evil actions taken by and commanded by Muhammad, especially the ones that go against the God of Abraham, can help Muslims come to Christ, then use them : p Dont act like its some mean thing to show them these things.

    Jesus said Himself, you can judge a person by their fruits. And Muhammad did not produce good fruits.
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    Have they? Youll have to show me a quote.
    I have two people on ignore, so it is difficult to find, think it was one page 1 or 2, but not sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    I have two people on ignore, so it is difficult to find, think it was one page 1 or 2, but not sure

    I dont see it on either of the first two pages. Can you say who said it?
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    Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden

    but people (well, one person) IS saying that if a Muslim moves next door families will start disappearing
    There is a difference between warning against a dangerous teaching, and racism
    Islam is Not a Race.... I repeat islam is Not a Race.. It is impossible to be racist against islam because islam is not a race.. There is no islamic race... islam is a religion.. There a are European muslims, there are African muslimsm there are Asian muslims..

    The teachings of the quran and the accepted hadiths establish what islam is.. Not the majority of our muslims neighbours.. Yes most muslims are not true muslims, they are not devout.. If they where your muslim neighbours would come over to your house and give you an altermatum.. They would tell you to submit to islam and become a muslim or pay the jizah tax and accept that from this day forward you are a second class citizen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird88 View Post
    i have met many Muslims and none tried to kill me in the name of Allah.
    i dont think they attack in the name of Allah, i think it has more to do with them being surrounded by US military bases and their cities full of women and children being bombed every day.

    how many military bases in the US from Muslim countries?
    I have had muslims try and kill me. And for just saying Muhammed is a false prophet,
    and Jesus is God, is enough to put me in prison in certain countries.

    How many people have died through Islamic terrorism, or the civil wars in Islamic
    countries? A very large number.

    What is the biggest cause of war and problems in the world today? Islam.

    Why did the west go into Iraq? Bahrain.
    Which countries are imploding? Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya,
    Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Sudan. Islam is the biggest issue, where the radicals want their
    view to dominate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    I have two people on ignore, so it is difficult to find, think it was one page 1 or 2, but not sure
    I just read through pages 1 and 2, Im not totally sure which posts you are talking about, but Im assuming that you mean the videos Magenta posted?

    I can understand how a person can think that that posts like these are meant to say that all Muslims are bad and will kill you. I think there are two ways to respond to a point. Well theres probly more but these are the things that I see in people : p People seem to respond either rationally, as in considering the point of the argument in context of the topic being discussed. Or they jump to the first thing they felt when hearing an argument, and assumed that a point being made was nothing more than an attack.

    I dont believe Magentas posts were meant to be "look guys, this is why all Muslims are bad people", I believe they are meant to show why Islam is so awful. We know that not all Muslims want to hurt people. But we also know the teachings that make up Islam, and why they are dangerous.

    I think it leads back to my point, these very teachings in Islam can help some Muslims come to Christ. Ive seen it happen, there are many former Muslims, now Christians, who post on youtube videos about these very things, and talk about how it helped them turn from Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Islam is Not a Race.... I repeat islam is Not a Race.. It is impossible to be racist against islam because islam is not a race.. There is no islamic race... islam is a religion.. There a are European muslims, there are African muslimsm there are Asian muslims..

    The teachings of the quran and the accepted hadiths establish what islam is.. Not the majority of our muslims neighbours.. Yes most muslims are not true muslims, they are not devout.. If they where your muslim neighbours would come over to your house and give you an altermatum.. They would tell you to submit to islam and become a muslim or pay the jizah tax and accept that from this day forward you are a second class citizen...
    Most countries define racism to also apply for religious discrimination
    if someone says "All christians are <insert slur>, that is racism

    and either way, Jesus did not teach his disciples to hate and fear, he taught them to spread the gospel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Islam is Not a Race.... I repeat islam is Not a Race.. It is impossible to be racist against islam because islam is not a race.. There is no islamic race... islam is a religion.. There a are European muslims, there are African muslimsm there are Asian muslims..

    The teachings of the quran and the accepted hadiths establish what islam is.. Not the majority of our muslims neighbours.. Yes most muslims are not true muslims, they are not devout.. If they where your muslim neighbours would come over to your house and give you an altermatum.. They would tell you to submit to islam and become a muslim or pay the jizah tax and accept that from this day forward you are a second class citizen...
    For anyone who doesnt know what the hadiths are, they are a collection of teachings from Muhammad that provide context for the quran, as well as providing teachings and beliefs not found in the quran. For example, the end time prophecy that is believed by Muslims are not found in the quran, but the hadiths.

    Here is the definition of the hadiths-

    Ha·dith

    [həˈdēTH]NOUN

    Hadiths (plural noun)

    1. a collection of traditions containing sayings of the prophet Muhammad that, with accounts of his daily practice (the Sunna), constitute the major source of guidance for Muslims apart from the Koran.




    And here is a quote from Muhammad from the hadiths-

    Abu Dawud 14:2526 - The Prophet said, Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet

    Not every Muslim follows these teachings, of course. But they are the commandments of Muhammad.

    And of course, beliefs are not people : p
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post

    We see that the liberal left is hand in hand with Islam,calling people Islamophobic that speak against the belief.
    Islam plays the game of being against capitalism, against the charging of interest,
    for an asthetic of life. The claim people persecute them because they hate the asthetic
    of Islam and its anti-capitalist agenda and not because it does not know what justice actually
    is.

    A lot of the left wing have little belief in religion but are very much interested in people seeking
    a sharing of wealth among the people. For Islam, anyone who supports them, they are very
    happy about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Most countries define racism to also apply for religious discrimination
    if someone says "All christians are <insert slur>, that is racism

    and either way, Jesus did not teach his disciples to hate and fear, he taught them to spread the gospel
    This equally works the other way. "All muslims are <insert slur>, that is racism"

    It is why one has to like Islam with the injustice and disfunctional behaviour in their societies.

    To give you an idea of the propoganda pushed by radicals, they take the statistics published
    in the west about murders, theft, rape and say nothing like this has ever happened in muslim
    countries. The lie is supported because the figures if collected and displayed are not allowed
    if they make muslim countries look bad. So they hide the realities. And the radicals will say
    only 100's of thefts over centuries has taken place, rather than everything is hidden, and
    everything is just brutal tyranny.
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    Trudeau converted to Sikhism not Muslim - too much fake news around..






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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Most countries define racism to also apply for religious discrimination
    if someone says "All christians are <insert slur>, that is racism

    and either way, Jesus did not teach his disciples to hate and fear, he taught them to spread the gospel
    No Christianity is not a race.. I repeat Christianity is not a race.. There are african Christians, european Christians, indian Christians, korean Christians, aboriginal Christians.. Christianity is a religion not a race...

    Jesus told us to Hate that which is evil and islam is evil so we hate it..

    Hating islam is Not the same as hating muslims.. I can hate islam and love muslims at the same time..

    I hate catholicism but my mother and dad are catholics and i love them..

    Just because you hate the evil cult that has people deceived does not mean you hate the ones who are deceived by that cult..

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    You know, seeing these quotes from Muhammad saying "fight the unbeliever until the say there is no god but allah", its really cool that Jesus said this-

    "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and for the gospel will save it."

    Id totally share this with a Muslim if they were willing to talk about these things : p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    Trudeau converted to Sikhism not Muslim - too much fake news around..






    If he did then he is under a death penalty from islam.. Sikhism is a pagan religion and therefore a true muslim is ordered to smite his neck if he refuses to submit to islam.. Only the Christians and the Jews ( people of the book in islam) are given the option to pay the jizah tax and survive as second class citizens. Religions like Hindus and Sikh's are only given two options.. Convert to islam or be killed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    ​We see that the liberal left is hand in hand with Islam,calling people Islamophobic that speak against the belief. Have you ever wondered why the liberal left that is so dead set against religion have embraced Islam with open arms? Have you thought about that?! Did you notice the signs that women carried at the "Womans March"? A Muslim woman wearing the American flag as a hijab were on posters being carried at the march. Do not be deceived by the enemy folks,satan knows his target.Dont help him by being a sheep of the PC rhetoric of acceptance. Any belief that proclaims "God has no Son" is the spirit of anti-christ. And that is truth,not fear mongering.Please learn the difference.Islam is a radical belief.Those that are not radical are hated by true followers of the faith and condemned to death. Do not be deceived.Woman and children suffer horribly under this belief and are brainwashed to accept it. This belief is from the pit of hell. So know what you are dealing with before you try to witness to a Muslim,know what they believe and do not be deceived.
    Liberals hate Jesus so much they deliberately sleep with the enemy. Jesus, along with being God, is the greatest liberator of women in history while islam is the greatest oppressor of women, yet libtard women choose to side with the enemy. It goes beyond reason. And you wonder why I can't stand liberals. Nothing but a bunch of mental defectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeraza_Bats View Post
    You know, seeing these quotes from Muhammad saying "fight the unbeliever until the say there is no god but allah", its really cool that Jesus said this-

    "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and for the gospel will save it."

    Id totally share this with a Muslim if they were willing to talk about these things : p
    Yes the quran says "fight the unbeliever until they say there is no god but allah"... And Jesus said that there will come a time when those who kill us will think they do God service..

    (John 16:1-3) "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. {2} They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.{3} And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

    And we are also told in the Bible that many Christians will end up being beheaded because of their faith in Jesus..



    (Revelation 20:4) "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

    Now who are the devout followers of a religion of today who are going around beheading people for not accepting their religion??? That's right devout quran following muslims...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    Magenta - There is a large difference between saying something is evil and
    showing an evil reality which is actually taking place.
    Magenta is showing the evil reality of islam. What's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Most countries define racism to also apply for religious discrimination
    if someone says "All christians are <insert slur>, that is racism

    and either way, Jesus did not teach his disciples to hate and fear, he taught them to spread the gospel
    Its prejudice, not racism. Big difference.
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    All these claims of ex Pres Obama being a Muslim is wrong too - he's a joint smoking Rastafarian....




    People gotta discern truth from fake truth...
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