ISLAM and MUSLIMS

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Doubtful, since what we say and do here on earth shall not be remembered in heaven. That's what the bible says..Read it and weep..
If you believe you can talk to people as you please and God won't address you on it you will be unpleasantly surprised on judgement day as well. Every idle word will come under judgement so contine to "tell people how it is", that your so proud about lol
 

blue_ladybug

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He will probably say "well done, thy good and faithful daughter" because I had the bravery to stand up and say the truth on all these different matters.. :) Whether it got me hated and persecuted or not.


Yes blue we are well aware of your methods of talking to people it will be interesting what the Lord has to say about it. Probably a dose of your own medicine, lol.
 

blue_ladybug

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JESUS talked rudely and harshly to people sometimes. Did God rebuke HIM for it? NOPE. :)


If you believe you can talk to people as you please and God won't address you on it you will be unpleasantly surprised on judgement day as well. Every idle word will come under judgement so contine to "tell people how it is", that your so proud about lol
 

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The bible also says that open rebuke is better than hidden love.. And that's what I do, so if you and others don't like it, take it up with God. HE said that's what we're to do, not just hunker down and keep quiet while the truth gets twisted and perverted..
 
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He will probably say "well done, thy good and faithful daughter" because I had the bravery to stand up and say the truth on all these different matters.. :) Whether it got me hated and persecuted or not.
That's pretty funny i must say. Meanwhile the scriptures says to speak in love. While at times you do the complete opposite. You call your methods bravery? you're just full of comedic material today huh lol. Well if you want to believe that do as you wish.
 

blue_ladybug

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Yes, bravery. It takes brave people to be willing to state the truth, even though they may get persecuted for it.. :) I always speak in love, even if it does come across as harsh. People need to hear cold hard truth, not satan's watered-down version of it..


That's pretty funny i must say. Meanwhile the scriptures says to speak in love. While at times you do the complete opposite. You call your methods bravery? you're just full of comedic material today huh lol. Well if you want to believe that do as you wish.
 

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Islam is a very corrupt and peverted religion, I agree. Some people say evil, and they are right in so many ways! BUT, we have to separate the religion from the people who were born and raised Muslims. Those are all people Christ died for. We need to focus on winning these individual Muslims, one by one, to Christ. Instead of going rank crazy as happened in this thread.
This has been done many many times. Im pretty sure every person here has said "not all Muslims" and "were talking about Islam".

The only Muslim I can think of here who has been put down in such a way is Muhammad. Thats not a bad thing. He was awful.

Theres a few people who keep coming here pressing this narrative that everyone here is bashing Muslims. Please give us some examples of this.
 
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Yes, bravery. It takes brave people to be willing to state the truth, even though they may get persecuted for it.. :) I always speak in love, even if it does come across as harsh. People need to hear cold hard truth, not satan's watered-down version of it..
It's one thing telling the truth it's another being unnecessarily rude. If you want to conceal it as "cold hard truth" do as you please. As they say it's not what you say it's how you say it.
 

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Referring to Angela's post about winning Muslims one by one, to God, just how exactly do we do that when they (some) hate Christians and Christianity, and are dead set on killing us and eradicating Christianity??
 
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Referring to Angela's post about winning Muslims one by one, to God, just how exactly do we do that when they (some) hate Christians and Christianity, and are dead set on killing us and eradicating Christianity??
Just tell the gospel in love, plant the seed and let God do the rest. What are you going to do? Use your cold harsh truth? Dealing with anyone full of hate you have to display the love of God.
 

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The rioting and the protests just in the UK have been ridiculous. There has been an OUTRAGE from the liberals and from the muslims in the UK about Trump winning, and about the result of the Brexit vote. It's been announced yesterday that there's gonna be a new election in June, and I think it is because of the pressure these muslims and leftists have been putting that's caused it. They simply won't accept the result, for both things. For Trump winning, or for Brexit. There have been protests, they have been going on non-stop on petitions to get rid of Trump/change the democratic result of Brexit. It is madness, and now for some reason out of the blue. In the UK we'll have a new election in June that was only announced yesterday.

It's obviously because of the pressure that the muslims and the leftists put the rest of the country under. I felt a bit intimidated in college being the only one who supported Trump while everyone else is COMPLETELY against him, and it's been the same with Brexit. Young liberals and muslims going CRAZY on facebook and stuff over people who think different to them. It is madness.

About 2 years ago, a poster had been taken off a bus in Birmingham that was for a Christian charity and it had been take down because it supported religion. The next poster they put up was one supporting allah. And you just think, what is wrong with them. It's insanity.
Yes, it is insanity. Just twenty two years ago, Clinton gave as part of one of his senate/congress speeches (State of the Union?), a promise to work harder to keep the criminal element out of the States by cracking down harder on illegal immigrants and deporting them etc, for which he received a standing ovation, and now, Trump speaks to the same issues, and he is vilified and called a racist (when he is not), and all manner of nonsense is mounted against him, and the lefties lap it up dutifully while screaming about fake news and propaganda... it is rather ironic in some ways, even as much as it is pathetic. Things have changed so much in the last twenty years!

Meanwhile the stats show that approximately one million illegals enter the country each year, many through the southern border, which already has a barrier, though it is obviously not working as well as it was intended to, or as it should, and again the lefties cry and scream about racism because the border needs to be protected. Without a border there is no country. The whole EU thing has become such an octopus that it was never intended to be when all those countries originally signed up for it. I am glad Britain got out. It is crazy that the will of the people is being so blatantly ignored by people who simply want to scream and protest and yell about getting what they want when they have already lost by a legal majority vote in good conscience.
 

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Just tell the gospel in love, plant the seed and let God do the rest. What are you going to do? Use your cold harsh truth? Dealing with anyone full of hate you have to display the love of God.
You have to tell the truth to them. You can't do that if you don't know it. You don't know it.
 

blue_ladybug

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If I knew any Muslims, and they needed cold harsh truth, yes. :) And the cold harsh truth that they don't want to hear is, that they worship a false prophet and an even eviler false religion, all in the name of Allah, a god who asks them to do horrendous things such as beheading Christians and go on suicide missions..


Just tell the gospel in love, plant the seed and let God do the rest. What are you going to do? Use your cold harsh truth? Dealing with anyone full of hate you have to display the love of God.
 

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I want to try and be respectful in my answers because this is a volatile subject.You do know that they are persecuting Christians,murdering them in these countries? Do you not think Christians are not trying to reach them? I personally know missionaries that are living in these countries and ministering in these countries. They say it is very,very difficult to bring the Gospel to them. They say the men sexually assault women in the streets. Can God change them? Absolutely! Should we be naive about what they believe and how they are infiltrating countries around the world? No. There is no paranoia in this thread.It is the truth about what Islam teaches. As I said before,when we realized what the Nazis had done we called them evil,why is Islam any different? We must be aware Angela of Islam and its deceptions. Schools have been caught trying to teach Sharia Law here in the US. Progressive liberals are aligning themselves with Muslims,why? Knowing the truth does not mean we cant pray for them to come to Christ. Islam is from the pit of hell and we need to acknowledge that. And doing so doesn't mean one is paranoid,Islamophobic or full of hate.


How could I not know what Islam is about? How could I not know about the persecution of Christians in Arab countries (things are apparently quite different in Indonesia, which is the largest Islamic country in the world.) Which is why I keep pointing to culture.

But I was not speaking of the Middle East. If God calls you to be a missionary there, well, that is incredible! And dangerous! But if God calls you... I was speaking of winning Muslims to Christ in our own countries. Because if you really want to stop the evil they are doing, winning them to Christ would be the right way to go about it. Instead of hating them because they were born and raised Muslim, and no one taught them the truth about who Jesus is.

I think as Christians, we have to rely on God throughout our lives. But all I see is people wanting to stop them by screaming hysterically about what they are, and what what they have done. This thread is up to the high twenties in pages and increasing! And most of it is fear mongering. It is about creating hysteria, instead of encouraging us to take the gospel to these people who are our neighbours. It is not about fulfilling the Great Commission (Matt 28:18-21). But it should be!

I do not think Jesus would be happy at all with this crazy, looped out, paranoid thread. There really is no other way to put it. Instead of learning more about how to win Muslims to Christ, it is a disgusting attack on people who have never heard the gospel. Because when they hear the gospel, they learn about God's love. Where is the love for the lost in this thread??

There is almost no love shown in this thread. I have no doubt if a Muslim read this thread, he would become radicalized and hate Christians even more. This thread should have been about witnessing to real people, that Jesus died for, instead of a shrill and insane reinforcement of the worst aspects of Islam. (And I do agree it is a very bad, and of course, false religion)

But who did we help fanning up the fires of self righteousness and anger? We separate ourselves from God and we alienate the very people that Christ died for - sinners, who are lost and need Jesus as much as I did, when I was lost!

Did you even watch the video, Kayla? I think if you had, we would not be hashing through this nonsense of Islam versus the hearts and lives of people who need Jesus.

When I see this thread turn back into something about how we need to be bold and share the gospel with Muslims, then I will apologize for my harsh words. Right now, it is paranoia, piled on anger, piled on a lot of misconceptions and reinforcing hatred for people that Jesus died for!

"God is love." 1 John 4:8, 16

It seems in the rush to create hysteria about Islam people on this thread have forgotten that basic truth, to say nothing of John 3:16-17

"For God loved the world in this way:[ He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him." John 3:16-17 HCSB
 

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Contrary to popular opinion, hate is a much stronger emotion than love. Especially to those who have only been immersed in hate their entire lives, and have no concept nor experience of love.
 
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You have to tell the truth to them. You can't do that if you don't know it. You don't know it.
Did I not say it's not what you say it's how you say it. I never denied telling people the truth. Please don't assume what I don't know because you obviously have no clue concerning it
 
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You have not delivered the verses in context..

(1 Corinthians 11:5-16) "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. {6} For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. {7} For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. {8} For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. {9} Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. {10} For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. {11} Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. {12} For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. {13} Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? {14} Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? {15} But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. {16} But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."

So Paul declares that long hair is the covering that God has given to woman.. And Paul's answer to his question "" is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?"" is ""we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."" So woman with long hair do not need any extra covering according to Paul because their long hair is a natural covering given to them by God..

It's amazing what we learn when we read the scriptures in context and do selectively quote isolated verses to push a pro islam line..
if thats how everyone understands it then why have there always been Christian NON Muslim churches with women wearing head coverings?
also you omitted the first part of vs 16 "But if any man seem to be contentious" when making your point of head coverings are not part of the church.
 

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if thats how everyone understands it then why have there always been Christian NON Muslim churches with women wearing head coverings?
also you omitted the first part of vs 16 "But if any man seem to be contentious" when making your point of head coverings are not part of the church.
I see the first part of verse 16 in the post. All of it seems to be there...
 

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Referring to Angela's post about winning Muslims one by one, to God, just how exactly do we do that when they (some) hate Christians and Christianity, and are dead set on killing us and eradicating Christianity??
You cant win every Muslim. Many will stick by their prophet until the very end. And many have been told from the start of their life that believing that Christ is the Emmanuel who came to die for our sins is the unforgivable sin, and that they will go to hell for it.

Some will come to Christ merely from hearing of the Gospel. And thats awesome. Others need to be lead away from their prophet and their teachings before they can let themselves open up to Him. And that can be done both by showing how Muhammads teachings made no sense and are historically inaccurate, and by sharing the way he lived his life.
 

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Just tell the gospel in love, plant the seed and let God do the rest. What are you going to do? Use your cold harsh truth? Dealing with anyone full of hate you have to display the love of God.
So helping them come to see that Muhammad was not a prophet of God is hateful?