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    Mohammed was deceived, not even knowing what had accosted him in that cave. He actually thought it was an evil spirit, but subsequently allowed his wife and another relative to convince him that it was the angel Gabriel. Millions now follow him as their ideal person, when he was an adulterous war mongering pedophile. Verses were removed from the Koran because they were acknowledged to be Satanic in origin. The Koran clearly contradicts itself, advocating for accepting the Bible, but then Muslims say the Bible is corrupted. Mohammed was illiterate and misunderstood many Biblical teachings which are reflected as gross errors in the Koran.


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    You need to understand, when you witness to Muslims, that they already believe in Jesus. (Isa) It's just that he is not the same Jesus we believe in. If you ask any Muslim if they believe in Jesus, they will tell you, "of course, he is in the Qur'an and he is a prophet of God. We await his return."

    Then you have to ask them, "Was Jesus God?" And "Did Jesus die on the cross?" Well, maybe not till you are friends, but at some point, we do need to make a distinction between their god, and the real God. They also don't believe in the Holy Spirit. But don't work on that, until they understand who Jesus is.

    Because Allah did not come as a man. My seminary professor for world religions asked the imam whether God had the ability could come to earth as man. The imam said, "He could, but he wouldn't!" This imam knew the Bible better than most Christians, I was glad the professor, who was a missionary to Muslims led the discussion.

    So if Jesus was an ordinary man, what did he do? Well, Muslims think he was a prophet, but not the last, or most important, leaving that to Mohammed (PBUH)! PBUH means "Praise Be Unto Him" and every time you say Mohammed, you are in some way obligated to say PBUH. Of course, we don't do that, because Mohammed was just a man, who twisted the Bible to his own devices.

    Which brings me to the point, if you argue from the Bible, and score a point, they will just say that the Bible is corrupted. Because it is so old! Well, if you really want to argue, you can say, "So how come the Muslims gathered up the holy leaves of the Qur'an and burned them? Something to do with many copies saying different things, probably corrupted.

    And no, Jesus didn't die on the cross, Judas did. Allah rescued him and put Judas on the cross at the last minute. So no happy Easter for Muslims! These are just a few pitfalls you might run into. Oh yes, and Muslims do want to talk with you! They want to turn the tables, and have you convert to Islam. Yep, most are evangelicals! As in preach their good news, not the real good news.

    Finally, I have mentioned this before, but God is doing an amazing thing in Muslim countries. He is sending dreams and visions, and there is no doubt in these people's mind that he is only a man! They know he is God! And yes, God's love is what makes them want to know more about Jesus, and what keeps them faithful when they are threatened with death. But, God does arrange it so there is a Christian who is able to tell them who Jesus is, and that he did die on the cross for their sins, and they can have the security of knowing Jesus will never leave or forsake them!

    And that person, is US, my friends! We do need share the gospel with Muslims. They are waiting to hear it! And they can be saved, if we pray and share God's love as found in Jesus.
    I have found that the best witnessing tool are the 10 Commandments, it's not personal, it put them in a position of does their morality line up with God's standard of morality. You don't need to talk about Jesus, mohammed, if they are gay, fornicator, adulator, JW, mormon, or whatever. Let God's standard convict them, if the Spirit moves in their heart they will ask you what they need to do about their sin, if they don't move on to the next one and God will take care of it, it's not my job to bring people to Christ. I just lay the foundation of Christ, to get a basic idea of what I'm talking about, click the link in my sig and watch that video. This guy never mentions Jesus for 2 months, He just lays the foundation of the OT. Then presents Christ, it's a very powerful video.
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    Aila s the moon god. If I get a chance to speak with one and they start talking about how the Bible contradicts itself. I bring somethings that are in the hadith where mohamed talks about when you pray don't look to the sky, lest your eyes be snatched out or how on the Sabbath in a village there was a pond with fish and on every Sabbath the fish would much the people (Jews) so one day these men decided that they were going to fish on the Sabbath. They caught the fish ate them and turned into rats or how mohamed said Adam was 60 cubits (90 feet) in height, one more there are many, like he was white that always gets the nation of islam, but how he said that the believer (muslim) eat with one intestine and the non-believer eats with seven.

    He said a lot of crazy things.
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    John 6:63, 65 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life....65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

    I Corinthians 4:7 "For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"

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    There is almost no assurance of salvation in Islam aside from what they call holy jihad, for which young men (and old) are promised rewards of the flesh via a multitude of ripe virgins to perpetually ravage in the hereafter. Along with this appeal to the lust of the flesh is the chance to also save other members of your family, by strapping on a bomb vest and detonating yourself in public, for the cause of the spread of Islam.


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    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

    The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

    The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
    The one that they are waiting for, if you read it, it's the anti-christ because he's going to kill Christian for not being muslim and destroy Jerusalem, it's been awhile since I read it but it sounds just like the anti-christ as he rides on a horse and what not.
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    Islam is the main antichrist force in the world.

    Somebody said that many muslims are coming to Christ. Not sure what is meant by "many", but the islam religion is growing, mainly because of their high fertility and many european countries are having huge problems with security because of it.

    The aggresivity and primitivity of a common islam can be seen everywhere, from Europe to Africa. The future will be worse and worse for countries with high muslim population like England, Sweden, France, Germany etc. Their "christian era" is slowly over.
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    Magenta: I thought this was about spreding the gospel, not fear / hate - mongering.
    - Should we blame all Christians for what the Inquisition did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Magenta: I thought this was about spreding the gospel, not fear / hate - mongering.
    - Should we blame all Christians for what the Inquisition did?
    Inquisition was against Christianity. Terror and war are commanded in islam.

    Good muslim will terrorize non-muslims in every place where they live together. Many muslims do not do that like many Christians lie or live in adultery, yes.
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    In every religion the most of followes will be "so-so". But in every religion there are cca 10% of followers who take it very seriously.

    In the RCC they are becoming priests, monks, nuns or fanatic followers of Mary, in protestant circles they are becoming deep in the Bible and puritans, lets say.... and in islam they are going on the way of jihad, killing unbelievers, fighting in various "islam" wars like in Syria or just terrorizing the non-muslim civilians like in France, UK, Holland, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria etc.

    So yes, 90% of muslims can be "nice people", but it is only because they do not follow islam too literaly. Like 90% of Christians will not be interested in the Bible or purity much.

    But realize that more muslims in your country makes more muslims belonging to the 10% of the "real ones".
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Inquisition was against Christianity. Terror and war are commanded in islam.

    Good muslim will terrorize non-muslims in every place where they live together. Many muslims do not do that like many Christians lie or live in adultery, yes.
    but the Inquisition CLAIMED to work for God, it was SUPPORTED by the church.
    So, if we say "they were not Christians", how can we say "Terrrists are muslims" when many non- extreme muslims say they are not?

    I am in no way defending extreme ways, I am just saying that we shouldn't judge them all for the action of the evil nutcases

    also, I don't see how posting videos about rape will let anyone know how to evangelize to muslims, which is what the OP is about
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    Islam is law with no love or conscience.
    The principle is the individual can exercise blasphemy execution personally with no come
    back.

    This destroys love, society, justice and opens the door to the corrupt. It is so evil the murderers
    believe they are doing good.

    Everything in life is reduced to good actions or banned actions (haram).
    It creates the weird morality where bestiality is ok, or necromancy, or
    sex with young boys, but adultery is not. You can if raped be executed for
    admitting to sex while not being able to prove rape.

    If this is news to you, you have no idea how bad it gets very quickly in any
    Muslim country. They talk so well about their aims but hide the filth that flows.

    And we in the west who deny loving life do little better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    but the Inquisition CLAIMED to work for God, it was SUPPORTED by the church.
    So, if we say "they were not Christians", how can we say "Terrrists are muslims" when many non- extreme muslims say they are not?
    Easily. Look at the authority of both faiths. Look at the New Testament and Jesus and look at Quoran and Mohamed.

    If you cant see the difference, I can not convince you about it...

    Jesus was killed, Mohammed was killing others. Both real Christians and muslims will follow their own.

    And as most of Christians are not real Christians, so also most muslims are not real muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Magenta: I thought this was about spreding the gospel, not fear / hate - mongering.
    - Should we blame all Christians for what the Inquisition did?

    Please dont take this as being rude,but there is no comparison between what happened in the Inquisition and what Islam has wrought down through history.If people understood this they would have a very different take on Islam.Its not fear mongering,it is the truth.Please look up Dr.Bill Warner on youtube and listen to a few of his videos. Muhammad was nothing more than a murderer and the belief,more political than religious,is purely demonic. Yes,God can reach them but they are under strong demonic influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    but the Inquisition CLAIMED to work for God, it was SUPPORTED by the church.
    So, if we say "they were not Christians", how can we say "Terrrists are muslims" when many non- extreme muslims say they are not?

    I am in no way defending extreme ways, I am just saying that we shouldn't judge them all for the action of the evil nutcases

    also, I don't see how posting videos about rape will let anyone know how to evangelize to muslims, which is what the OP is about

    ​It was supported by the Catholic church...
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    Pray for Muslims, I have spoken to some of them about the gospel. Unfortunately at times it tends to be like talking to a brick wall because of the brainwashing their under. There is no telling how many demons muslims have in their lives trying to prevent them from turning to the truth. As long as you plant the seed God will do the rest.
    Alot of the times, just telling them the Gospel is not enough. And the reason is because their prophet has told them that Jesus was just a prophet, who was not the Son of God, and did not die on the cross for our sins. And they have been taught to use certain arguments, such as "where did Jesus say He was God?". There are some Christians who dont know how to answer that, and even the ones who do, if you give them the clear verses, theyll reinterpret the verse themselves and twist the Gospel with comments like "how could a man become God?".

    I think that we need to give them the Gospel, but I also think its important to show them how Muhammad was wrong, and how he was a false prophet. They have placed their faith in Muhammad, so everything they believe is lined up with Muhammads teachings. If you show them what the Gospel says, their first response will be "the Bible has been corrupted, you cant believe it. Only the quran has been preserved".

    I often see people mix up disproving Islam as hating Muslims, and I wish the people who did that would stop. We are told to love our neighbors, absolutely. But we were not told to love and respect ideology. I fully believe its right to show how Muhammad was not a prophet of God, even if some people are offended by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    Magenta: I thought this was about spreding the gospel, not fear / hate - mongering.
    - Should we blame all Christians for what the Inquisition did?

    Theres a difference between Islam and Muslims.

    I dont get why people dont get this.

    Islam teaches to kill the unbeliever. There are several verses that make this command.

    Even in the Hadiths, Muhammad is quoted as saying "I have been commanded to fight the unbeliever, until they say 'there is no god but allah"'.

    Lets stop with the "not all Muslims" thing, were talking about Islam, we are not talking about all Muslims.

    Not all Muslims say "kill the unbeliever".

    But Islam does.
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    And not all nazis killed somebody. Only 4-7% of Germans were the "real nazi".

    As I said, not all muslims are real muslims, not all Christians are real Christians, its always somewhere between 5-10%, where is the "core" of any religion, politics etc.

    If Sweden has 1 000 000 muslims (I made up this number, do not take it literaly), it has about 50 000 muslims able to kill and terrorize the country.
    Most of muslims in Sweden will be "nice" people or people you will never meet in your streets because they will live in their quarters. But realize that 50 000 is a real army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokenpassage View Post
    I spend hours on end with my old high school friend in sharing the gospel with her. Like Angela has mentioned, they will throw an objection to everything we would have to say, so for us to witness to a number of them we should have some basic understanding of where they are coming from.

    To them, to associate anyone with Allah is polytheism. Christians are seen for the most part believers, if they do not associate Isa (Jesus) with Allah, or otherwise they are led by Shaytan (Satan) and will be judged at the resurrection.

    I believe if anyone truly has a heart to reach those in Islam, at least read the Qur'an, it is no more than the size of the New Testament, and understand how they view Jesus, Scriptures, judgement, sin, etc.

    Sometimes we have to actually study out an issue to reach those involved. I wouldn't waste time talking about non-important issues, like the polygamy issue of the day, etc. I usually go straight to basic points of doctrine concerning how does God judge a sinner without compromising his justice, etc.

    We must also be careful of misrepresenting them. ISIS is NOT Islamic in the orthodox sense, although it is considered an extreme view, it is said to come from an ideology of Wahhabism.
    On the contrary ISIS is the most devout form of islam.. They follow the quran and the accepted Hadiths to the letter..

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