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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    Well that makes you smile!
    And then we have men like Stroebel who actually went hunting down evidence to make a decision by. It's not the same for everyone. Nice to meet someone who can prove to me by their own experience that I'm not an anomaly.

    I'm smiling

    Yes, I know others who need to see the evidence first. But that could be the wooing of the Spirit and as they do their research - then God reveals Himself to them and (as Emeril Lagassee would say) bam, something supernatural
    happens. We all have unique stories because we are all unique!

    He has told you, O man, what is good;

    And what does the Lord require of you
    But to do justice, to love kindness,
    And to walk humbly with your God?
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    Default Re: Why I now believe in Predistination/Election

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    This got me thinking. Does everyone have a theology meter?
    Accept x % of Christs words and intentions everything is ok.
    Get this one wrong, exit chute.
    Reject this lot, exit chute.

    What happens if you come to faith, then get seduced by some
    type of theology and end up denying Christ, falling into unbelief.

    Are you now lost or the past faith counts for all?

    Now what I have listed above is the actual belief system of some
    though they will swear blind all are saved who believe, except that
    bunch over there who just faked it.

    Pauls attitude to heresy was to separate from those who denied righteous
    living and continued in sin. The sins he mentioned were

    "sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler."
    1 cor 5:11

    But hey guys, they are going to heaven so lets be chummy.

    This is how the cults grow, it is called love bombardment, you make people a
    member of the group, and then just assume they believe the same as you.
    If they start to disagree, emotionally punish them until they give in.

    This does actually work, but it is not from the Lord, just manipulation.
    Well, since I see sincerity and growing fruit in my siblings here, and since none of them comes in here drunk that I know of, and since I can't possibly know if they are sexually impure in their thoughts or if they are lusting in their heart, and since I can't possibly expect that they have all knowledge about God with no error (because I refuse to ask a perfection of them that even I don't possess) what is it you think I should do when they think differently than me on some point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    Not sure what you're saying here either.
    If you are saying I talk too much, you're probably right.
    If you're saying you don't trust that I was joking with you, I assure you, I was! But I may be confusing you once again with the guy who I meant to joke with based on our previous conversation. If so, I'm sorry!
    Well do then it's ok, one question who's this guy you've been confusing me with? indeed second time you've mentioned that. lol

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    He predestined Jesus to be the Saviour of all the world before the world ever began.

    He chooses, He draws..and He allows whosoever will to take the water of life.

    The Spirit and the Brides message is come...freely.
    Grace777x70 and 1ofthem like this.
    Jeepers Creepers...we gotta get new peepers.

    Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertsrose View Post

    I'm smiling

    Yes, I know others who need to see the evidence first. But that could be the wooing of the Spirit and as they do their research - then God reveals Himself to them and (as Emeril Lagassee would say) bam, something supernatural
    happens. We all have unique stories because we are all unique!
    Amen! We may not be seeking God but we are seeking truth, I believe, via the meaning and purpose of life, which is a profound question that some ponder extensively, certainly I did... and since Jesus is the embodiment of Truth, it is He Who is revealed to us, was revealed to me For myself, I was so dead set against God and religion and anything to do with the Bible, it took quite a few revelations to truly soften me before I could surrender my opposition to Him... We love Him because He first loved us Praise God for His undying everlasting love for us!



    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    Well do then it's ok, one question who's this guy you've been confusing me with? indeed second time you've mentioned that. lol
    I don't know I have to go back and look!
    He called himself cantaloupe head.
    If that wasn't you, forgive me because of course you wouldn't know I was joking or even what the joke was!
    Maybe your avatar is similar to his.
    I joke around entirely too much.
    And you're right. I'm verbose to the point of being bothersome. I even bother myself sometimes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    He predestined Jesus to be the Saviour of all the world before the world ever began.

    He chooses, He draws..and He allows whosoever will to take the water of life.

    The Spirit and the Brides message is come...freely.
    and they said it to those whose names were written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valiant View Post
    and they said it to those whose names were written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.
    Everybody is written in the book of life until they sin. Then they are blotted out. Those who receive Christ are then written in the Lambs book of life.

    For the cause of Christ
    Roger
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    use it to examine yourself not others.

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    Originally Posted by valiant and they said it to those whose names were written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Everybody is written in the book of life until they sin. Then they are blotted out. Those who receive Christ are then written in the Lambs book of life.
    Where do you find that? It is not in Scripture. Those who were entered in the Lamb's book of life were so from the foundation of the world.


    Sorry it disagrees with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    I don't know I have to go back and look!������
    He called himself cantaloupe head.
    If that wasn't you, forgive me because of course you wouldn't know I was joking or even what the joke was!
    Maybe your avatar is similar to his.
    I joke around entirely too much.
    And you're right. I'm verbose to the point of being bothersome. I even bother myself sometimes!
    language can be very powerful, And probably one of the reasons why Jesus taught in parables,

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Everybody is written in the book of life until they sin. Then they are blotted out. Those who receive Christ are then written in the Lambs book of life.


    Roger
    So, you just make up doctrine and write your own narrative, right? Wonder how that will fare for you at the judgment seat?
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    He ate when he came back. He ate fish and he ate with two guys walking along a road in another country. Thomas touched his wounds, so he was still in his human body then. (No idea if he dropped the human body when he went home though.)

    Hi Lynn,

    I have always assumed that the body of Jesus after His resurrection was His new glorified body because of the following verse.

    So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a
    natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. (1 Cor. 15:42–44)

    He also told the Jews if they destroy this temple, in three days He would raise it up referring to His own body.

    When he appeared to the disciples and they were afraid because they thought a spirit had entered the room and they didn't recognize Jesus. I've always thought they didn't recognize Him because when our mortal bodies rise, we receive a new body and it will be different.

    I think the new body of Jesus will always bear the scars as a memorial of what He did for us. I can't imagine Jesus, the Son, born of a woman changing His humanness because He was 100% God and 100% human. Why would He change that? That's what the 2nd person of the trinity is, God incarnate.

    Jesus mentioned at His last passover meal that he would not drink wine with them again until He saw them again in the Father's Kingdom.

    Are there scriptural reasons you think Jesus might not have a human body now? Also, I've always assumed that we would eat and drink because of the fruit tress described in Revelation and also because Jesus said he would drink wine in heaven. Great thoughts to ponder!


    He has told you, O man, what is good;

    And what does the Lord require of you
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    And to walk humbly with your God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by valiant View Post
    Where do you find that? It is not in Scripture. Those who were entered in the Lamb's book of life were so from the foundation of the world.


    Sorry it disagrees with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    So, you just make up doctrine and write your own narrative, right? Wonder how that will fare for you at the judgment seat?
    Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    This got me thinking. Does everyone have a theology meter?
    Accept x % of Christs words and intentions everything is ok.
    Get this one wrong, exit chute.
    Reject this lot, exit chute.

    What happens if you come to faith, then get seduced by some
    type of theology and end up denying Christ, falling into unbelief.

    Are you now lost or the past faith counts for all?

    Now what I have listed above is the actual belief system of some
    though they will swear blind all are saved who believe, except that
    bunch over there who just faked it.

    Pauls attitude to heresy was to separate from those who denied righteous
    living and continued in sin. The sins he mentioned were

    "sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler."
    1 cor 5:11

    But hey guys, they are going to heaven so lets be chummy.

    This is how the cults grow, it is called love bombardment, you make people a
    member of the group, and then just assume they believe the same as you.
    If they start to disagree, emotionally punish them until they give in.

    This does actually work, but it is not from the Lord, just manipulation.
    I learned something new today..... Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

    For the cause of Christ
    Roger
    Roger, you know what the verse says. Good. Now, what does it mean?

    Please don't add to it (by saying when we sin our names are blotted out). To be fair, go show us where any scholar comes to your false conclusions. That's a good safety net.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
    That is the book of the living, i.e. all those who are alive, The book in revelation, in which the name of the saints were written, did not have in it the names of the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Roger, you know what the verse says. Good. Now, what does it mean?

    Please don't add to it (by saying when we sin our names are blotted out). To be fair, go show us where any scholar comes to your false conclusions. That's a good safety net.
    Rev 3:5, Rev 13:8, Phil 4:3

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Everybody is written in the book of life until they sin. Then they are blotted out. Those who receive Christ are then written in the Lambs book of life.

    For the cause of Christ
    Roger
    Do you have a scripture to back this up with or is it just speculation?
    This writing in and then blotting out and writing back in, sounds like
    God does not know what is going on!
    I share "Jesus Christ and him crucified" 1 cor 2:2
    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Rev 3:5, Rev 13:8, Phil 4:3

    For the cause of Christ
    Roger
    As stated, you know what the verses say but you're lacking in knowing what they mean. Care to show us they mean what you added to Scripture? Again, show us a scholar who believes your eisegetical rendering.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    Do you have a scripture to back this up with or is it just speculation?
    This writing in and then blotting out and writing back in, sounds like
    God does not know what is going on!
    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    As stated, you know what the verses say but you're lacking in knowing what they mean. Care to show us they mean what you added to Scripture? Again, show us a scholar who believes your eisegetical rendering.
    Rev 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Two books. One of works and the other of life. Which one are you written in?

    For the cause of Christ
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