We Have Forgotten The Way Is Jesus!

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sevenseas

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If you consider what is holy to God an idol maybe you don't know Him all that well....why don't you tell HIM what you think of HIS holy day ?

did you know there is an altar in heaven upon which the blood of Jesus is laid?

did you know Jesus is our High Priest and the final sacrifice?

did God make the day holy or is the day holy because God made it and if that is so, isn't every day holy to the Lord?

I guess you don't know about David eating what was consecrated to the priests or that it is ok to get your ox out of the ditch on the Sabbath

you are doing exactly what Jesus said not to do



what do you think of Jesus?
 
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BeyondET

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"Herein lies the rub" - She is trying to tell us "non-walkers with Jesus" - that because we don't keep the Sabbath day on Saturday as in the law of Moses - we are not obeying God nor really walking with Him. Unfortunately that's the reality of this false doctrine that she is trying to get across in her original post.

Jesus is our true Sabbath rest and not resting in His works is what is violating the true Sabbath which is Christ Himself.

People are free to observe any day as they wish - but when they say you are not obeying God nor following Jesus because you don't keep the sabbath day as in the law of Moses. - That is a Judaizer doctrine that denies the work of Christ Himself.

All of the law and the prophets are a mere shadow of what was to come - Christ Himself is the real substance that has already come for us who believe.
Well I have been known to be alittle naive to a point until I catch on.. lol

I've always thought of it as 8 days a week... :) now I can see using these days Sunday or Saturday to gather on for fellowship and all, these days are some what considered off peak work days which more people can congregate and share in the word. but it's not a requirement to do so. attending a simple cook out with friends, family, strangers etc.. on Sunday/Saturday can be just as good, the word goes where the word goes like the wind.
 

NayborBear

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#43
Amen brother, and that is the testimony of the resurrection of Christ. The excepted sacrifice.
But if I may ask, what are we to do with this Jesus?

Matthew-10:32 What happens "here", is what I've come to call "the vetting process"! This is where one starts becoming separate from the "called". Here, is where one grows in The Father's grace!
 

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It is painfully simple. Be obedient and desire God more than anything! Have a blessed day!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#45
It is painfully simple. Be obedient and desire God more than anything! Have a blessed day!
Sadly, we can do this 24/7 and still fall short..
 

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so how do we grow in grace?

I have not seen that discussion here

perhaps someone thinks I am suggesting works for growth, but that is not true

growing in grace suggest relationship with Jesus

I don't know why you posted those scriptures? I don't know if you are contradicting or what

sorry
Growing in grace is like man going to the gym for the first time in his life...

A man walks into a gym and approaches a trainer and says, "how do I grow strong muscles?"

The trainer, curious about his question, answers him plainly, "well sir you have to workout. You have to use your muscles to get stronger."

The man, puzzled by the trainer's answer, replies and says, "Ok. But can't I just establish a relationship with you and you grow my muscles?"

The trainer answers, "Sure! Absolutely! We can setup a training regiment where we'll start you off with lifting light weights to work your muscles. Then as you get stronger we'll add more weights and..."

But the man cuts him off and says, "No that's not what I had in mind. That's not what I mean". The man adds, "I was hoping that when I establish a relationship with you, that you can do all of the work for my muscles."

The trainer looks at the man with a frown, visibly confused and unsettled. "Wait...so you want me to grow your muscles without adding any of your own effort? Somehow you want me to workout for you? I'm sorry but that's not how it works, sir. I can spot you and support you with my own strength when it gets tough and you feel weak, and I'm fully committed to guiding you through this entire process until you as strong as I am; and I'll never leave you alone in it. But to grow your muscles you have to put in the work."

The man now mirrors the trainer's frown and asks, "Can't you just teach me more and more about my muscles, put the weights in my hands and then lift my arms for me?"

"I'm sorry but what you're asking of me doesn't make any sense. You have to exercise your own God-given muscles. You have to use the strength given to you to resist a heavy weight against you in order to grow stronger. The stronger you get the easier it is to resist the weight until it no longer weighs you down."

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We have to use the grace God's given us to resist the devil's temptation to sin in order to grow stronger in grace. We have to put in the (good) work of obeying God's commands and not sinning. Christ our trainer is with us in Spirit to spot us and guide us in our workout.
 
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Sorry, I thought we were. Please forgive me if I confused you.


If we do. Then we would be perfect would we not? (For if we committed on sin in that 24 hour period. We did not walk 24/7)

I am not saying or defending a person can become born again and live like he did.. or continue in sin,, I for one do not think that is even possible.

And I think we have to talk about salvation first.. If we have the salvation part wrong. Would not what happens next not matter
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I would say that 'obedience comes first, because that has to do with receiving the HS who is our new power Acts 5v32, also Heb 5v9.
Walking with Jesus as a disciple teaches obedience...that's what it means...we are ''disciplened ! Heb5v8 says Jesus as a Son (of God) had to learn obedience....and so must we v9. Friend - we are only learners/disciples/apprentices....we are not perfect yet but we are expected to become....how can we if we never copy/imitate Jesus or are conformed to HIS image ? we don't just have it stamped on us - it must be LIVED. (that is my understanding of it, not forcing it on anyone)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No one has ever come short walking with Jesus 24/7....only those who don't, which are 'many...scripture says so !
if you commit one sin, You fall short. I hope you do not think you are sinless. Because that is the standard one must attain to live up to..
 
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I would say that 'obedience comes first, because that has to do with receiving the HS who is our new power Acts 5v32, also Heb 5v9.
Walking with Jesus as a disciple teaches obedience...that's what it means...we are ''disciplened ! Heb5v8 says Jesus as a Son (of God) had to learn obedience....and so must we v9. Friend - we are only learners/disciples/apprentices....we are not perfect yet but we are expected to become....how can we if we never copy/imitate Jesus or are conformed to HIS image ? we don't just have it stamped on us - it must be LIVED. (that is my understanding of it, not forcing it on anyone)
I agree, the first act of obedience is to repent and ask God to save you,, receive his salvation. be born again.

It is the only act of obedience which will save is, All others will follow. As long as we get this one right..

At this point, we have experienced Gods love, and have the capacity to love others, (which is where obedience comes from)
 

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I agree, the first act of obedience is to repent and ask God to save you,, receive his salvation. be born again.

It is the only act of obedience which will save is, All others will follow. As long as we get this one right..

At this point, we have experienced Gods love, and have the capacity to love others, (which is where obedience comes from)
I don't quite understand everything you are saying -
but repentance is a very good start....if we know what to repent from in the first place.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't quite understand everything you are saying -
but repentance is a very good start....if we know what to repent from in the first place.

I mean it is the will of God that everyone who sees the son and has faith will live forever, ever die, Have eternal life, and be risen on the last day.

in order to get to this point (faith) we have to repent.

Once we do this, we are saved forever.

We love because he first love, Now that we have truly experienced his love (he saved us) we have the ability to love others (obey his commands out of love)


Does that help If not please ask.

And what do we repent from, that would be a great topic to discuss.
 

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if you commit one sin, You fall short. I hope you do not think you are sinless. Because that is the standard one must attain to live up to..
No, since I am still human I'm not sinless....but we are to become holy and perfect ...when we are resurrected from the dead, Rom 1v4.
 

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I mean it is the will of God that everyone who sees the son and has faith will live forever, ever die, Have eternal life, and be risen on the last day.

in order to get to this point (faith) we have to repent.

Once we do this, we are saved forever.

We love because he first love, Now that we have truly experienced his love (he saved us) we have the ability to love others (obey his commands out of love)


Does that help If not please ask.

And what do we repent from, that would be a great topic to discuss.
we were doing fine until I read 'we are saved for ever. ' do you believe in OSAS ?
 
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I agree, the first act of obedience is to repent and ask God to save you,, receive his salvation. be born again.

It is the only act of obedience which will save is, All others will follow. As long as we get this one right..

At this point, we have experienced Gods love, and have the capacity to love others, (which is where obedience comes from)
are you jewish convert to christianity or gentile coverting christianity.

what law did you repent from, can you give chapter and verse. please don t quote acts 2 as your templet for your oral repentance.
 
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sevenseas

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#56
Growing in grace is like man going to the gym for the first time in his life...

A man walks into a gym and approaches a trainer and says, "how do I grow strong muscles?"

The trainer, curious about his question, answers him plainly, "well sir you have to workout. You have to use your muscles to get stronger."

The man, puzzled by the trainer's answer, replies and says, "Ok. But can't I just establish a relationship with you and you grow my muscles?"

The trainer answers, "Sure! Absolutely! We can setup a training regiment where we'll start you off with lifting light weights to work your muscles. Then as you get stronger we'll add more weights and..."

But the man cuts him off and says, "No that's not what I had in mind. That's not what I mean". The man adds, "I was hoping that when I establish a relationship with you, that you can do all of the work for my muscles."

The trainer looks at the man with a frown, visibly confused and unsettled. "Wait...so you want me to grow your muscles without adding any of your own effort? Somehow you want me to workout for you? I'm sorry but that's not how it works, sir. I can spot you and support you with my own strength when it gets tough and you feel weak, and I'm fully committed to guiding you through this entire process until you as strong as I am; and I'll never leave you alone in it. But to grow your muscles you have to put in the work."

The man now mirrors the trainer's frown and asks, "Can't you just teach me more and more about my muscles, put the weights in my hands and then lift my arms for me?"

"I'm sorry but what you're asking of me doesn't make any sense. You have to exercise your own God-given muscles. You have to use the strength given to you to resist a heavy weight against you in order to grow stronger. The stronger you get the easier it is to resist the weight until it no longer weighs you down."

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We have to use the grace God's given us to resist the devil's temptation to sin in order to grow stronger in grace. We have to put in the (good) work of obeying God's commands and not sinning. Christ our trainer is with us in Spirit to spot us and guide us in our workout.


I know what grace is

it does not depend on how good we are

Christ died while we were still sinners

some people here are always wanting to add to the work of Christ to the point that if you mention the word, they go a little nuts

grace is free

if you had to buy it, you would not be able to

I live in the context of grace. perhaps some do not understand that there is nothing they can do to earn the grace of God
 
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sevenseas

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the title of this thread states we have forgotten that the way is Jesus

Jesus IS the ONLY way

all this other stuff is adding to what salvation is

so sad

what I see are people who just hijack the threads of others and pump it up full of hot air
 
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i want to point out some thing.
basic belief in a god through jesus save all.

moving in the spiritual again is a different ball game, your not stuck in a time freeze. (ie gal 5 v1-4 is there for a reason.)

leadership in a god throught jesus, is a different ball game.

you do not stay in a time freeze.
 
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I know what grace is

it does not depend on how good we are

Christ died while we were still sinners

some people here are always wanting to add to the work of Christ to the point that if you mention the word, they go a little nuts

grace is free

if you had to buy it, you would not be able to

I live in the context of grace. perhaps some do not understand that there is nothing they can do to earn the grace of God
i will warn you before we start. i have no interest in oganised religions idea.
have you quote that you were a sinner, before jesus died for you.
 
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sevenseas

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i will warn you before we start. i have no interest in oganised religions idea.
have you quote that you were a sinner, before jesus died for you.
not sure what we are starting but I agree about religion. it kills people

sorry, but I am not sure what you are asking?

basically I am saying that we do nothing to earn salvation, nothing to keep it either

and I understand that sets some people's underwear on fire because they take it to mean I am saying keep sinning and no problem, which is nonsense