PRAYERS THAT PROCLAIM

[Grace777x70]

if the source is quoted, how can it be plagiarism?

plagiarism is when you claim someone else's words as your own

someone mentioned that she has permission to use these devotionals

alot of people here use material from other sources or provide links. seems to be ok to do? no?

It's amazing how the "seminary experts" that know all and that condemn others because they are not like them - don't understand what "plagiarism" is?

noun: plagiarism;

• the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
  
  
  Unfortunately anyone can see what malice and slander looks like and the bitterness it brings with it. It's time to grow up from the baby stage.
  
  1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
  [SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
  
  [SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
  
  Guard your hearts brethren because it is easy to escalate and end up in this condition.
  
  Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
  [SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

 

[Stephen63]

It's amazing how the "seminary experts" that know all and that condemn others because they are not like them - don't understand what "plagiarism" is?

noun: plagiarism;

• the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
  
  
  Unfortunately anyone can see what malice and slander looks like and the bitterness it brings with it. It's time to grow up from the baby stage.
  
  1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
  [SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
  
  [SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
  
  Guard your hearts brethren because it is easy to escalate and end up in this condition.
  
  Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
  [SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

So easy that you can be talking about it & not even realize you're there.

 

[truthhurts]

if the source is quoted, how can it be plagiarism?

plagiarism is when you claim someone else's words as your own

someone mentioned that she has permission to use these devotionals

alot of people here use material from other sources or provide links. seems to be ok to do? no?

Yep I stand corrected but she has never ,ever used as her own bully pulpit now has she

 

[truthhurts]

Doesn't he believe he is perfect?

You know, ye ole sinless perfection?

NO she is worse, she believes in benefits only theology for herself and condemns anyone walking through sickness or disease and preaches we don't ever suffer for the kingdom if it is God's will...she also cannot accept the fact that trials and testing and refinement is from God,....you out right refutes that God ever put Job through his testing and it was just an outright attack of the devil and that God never had a say in it....she has gone on record as telling people here who have sickness they have no faith and that God is so good he won't put us through any form of testing or trialing...and everything negative you encounter is based on your lack of true trust and faith in God and everything negative is of the devil and just him attacking you for no reason...

classic WOF cult follower

 

[Grace777x70]

It looks like the Lord Jesus Christ Himself has said that unbelief and our lack of faith will cause us not to receive from God.

Matthew 13:58 (NASB)
[SUP]58 [/SUP] And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.

Here Jesus is telling His disciples why they couldn't cast a demon out of a boy - you guessed it - because of their unbelief.

Matthew 17:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.


Here it says that Jesus "marveled" at their unbelief. Marveled means "to be astonished".

Mark 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching. ( Notice the answer to unbelief is proper teaching - Jesus went about teaching to combat our unbelief )

Here Jesus chastised the disciples because of their hardness of heart and unbelief.

Mark 16:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

The writer of Hebrews says that we will not enter into the rest of Christ in God because of our unbelief. Heb. 4:6 also shows this truth.

Hebrews 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

I know for my own life there have been many times I have had unbelief in certain areas. I don't blame others because of my unbelief and try to be-little them because of my own unbelief.

If Jesus was around today - people would be accusing Him of saying that we have no faith - and they would be right. He does do but it's for a purpose - to bring truth to us so that we can walk free in Him.

In this sense - Jesus is a classis WOF cult follower too - after all He is the one who started it by His own words concerning unbelief.

( For the record I don't believe in everything any denomination or preacher says but unbelief does stop us from obtaining what God in Christ has already done for us. )

 

[Stephen63]

They call it greasy grace, easy believe-ism, Hyp******e, even OSAS, it's all the same: change the doctrine to benefit ME.

It's a me - doctrine..... it's not about what God say or what God means, but what they want it to mean to make it easy on them.

Not tests, no trials, no cross to carry, name-it-and-claim-it, blab-it-and-grab-it, no obedience, no nuthin' basically, except to believe only one time, a one-time faith event.

 

[truthhurts]

It looks like the Lord Jesus Christ Himself has said that unbelief and our lack of faith will cause us not to receive from God.

Matthew 13:58 (NASB)
[SUP]58 [/SUP] And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.

Here Jesus is telling His disciples why they couldn't cast a demon out of a boy - you guessed it - because of their unbelief.

Matthew 17:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.


Here it says that Jesus "marveled" at their unbelief. Marveled means "to be astonished".

Mark 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching. ( Notice the answer to unbelief is proper teaching - Jesus went about teaching to combat our unbelief )

Here Jesus chastised the disciples because of their hardness of heart and unbelief.

Mark 16:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

The writer of Hebrews says that we will not enter into the rest of Christ in God because of our unbelief. Heb. 4:6 also shows this truth.

Hebrews 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

I know for my own life there have been many times I have had unbelief in certain areas. I don't blame others because of my unbelief and try to be-little them because of my own unbelief.

If Jesus was around today - people would be accusing Him of saying that we have no faith - and they would be right. He does do but it's for a purpose - to bring truth to us so that we can walk free in Him.

In this sense - Jesus is a classis WOF cult follower too - after all He is the one who started it by His own words concerning unbelief.

( For the record I don't believe in everything any denomination or preacher says but unbelief does stop us from obtaining what God in Christ has already done for us. )

Jesus taught belief in him and enduring trial and tribulations....and that you should not worry about material things....that our faith in him should also come with the humility that he is in total control and not us....

Joanie and the Word Of faith cult teach condemnation and guilt for ANY anyone with unbelief that God has not made you well, super rich in money and material possessions and that you can shake him upside down and get money or resources any time you need it....WOF and Joanie really do not have the faith and trust they state, because it is all about ME and my needs...Not once when we were part of the WOF movement created by Hagin did we ever hear about expanding the kingdom and living for Jesus...we just heard faith and enlarging your own personal purse and wallet....oh an if you were not rich or sick, it was either the lack of your faith or God was punishing you for a hidden sin or something.....the level of guilt and condemnation this movement and Joanie is involved well defined in James 3....it is a form of witchcraft because it manipulates, controls and condemns....


very big difference between the 2 things.....

 

[truthhurts]

They call it greasy grace, easy believe-ism, Hyp******e, even OSAS, it's all the same: change the doctrine to benefit ME.

It's a me - doctrine..... it's not about what God say or what God means, but what they want it to mean to make it easy on them.

Not tests, no trials, no cross to carry, name-it-and-claim-it, blab-it-and-grab-it, no obedience, no nuthin' basically, except to believe only one time, a one-time faith event.

The modern day WOF movement is the modern day Church of Laodicea that Jesus talks about in his Revelation

[h=3]Message to Laodicea[/h]Rev 3.14-22
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. [SUP]16 [/SUP]So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, [SUP]18 [/SUP]I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. [SUP]22 [/SUP]He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

 

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes we don't really hear what others are really saying. We sometimes only hear what we "assume" they are saying.

This causes malice and bitterness to take hold of us and then we think it's now "ok" to slander people. It's the way of the flesh and it is no different then those that say living a homosexual lifestyle is ok.

I have seen the author of the OP say many times that the trials of life come to all of us. We live in a corrupted world that has the flesh, the world, and the devil and Jesus has defeated them all.

To encourage people to trust in Christ's work in the midst of any trial is not "condemning" people. It is doing the complete opposite.

Many are the afflictions of the righteous.

If God Himself is the direct cause of these afflictions - then He is fighting against Himself when He delivers us from them and is really just a schizophrenic "god" that our past church teachings have taught us.

I firmly believe we are going to be appalled at the things we thought concerning the character of our loving Father when we stand before Him and see Him for who He truly is.

Christ is our example of the exact representation of the nature of the Father. Do we see Jesus bringing afflictions on the disciples? No.



The heart/mind of man cannot trust such a being as this man-made schizophrenic "god".



Psalm 34:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all.


1 Peter 5:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

 

[joaniemarie]

Jesus taught belief in him and enduring trial and tribulations....and that you should not worry about material things....that our faith in him should also come with the humility that he is in total control and not us....

Joanie and the Word Of faith cult teach condemnation and guilt for ANY anyone with unbelief that God has not made you well, super rich in money and material possessions and that you can shake him upside down and get money or resources any time you need it....WOF and Joanie really do not have the faith and trust they state, because it is all about ME and my needs...Not once when we were part of the WOF movement created by Hagin did we ever hear about expanding the kingdom and living for Jesus...we just heard faith and enlarging your own personal purse and wallet....oh an if you were not rich or sick, it was either the lack of your faith or God was punishing you for a hidden sin or something.....the level of guilt and condemnation this movement and Joanie is involved well defined in James 3....it is a form of witchcraft because it manipulates, controls and condemns....


very big difference between the 2 things.....

I don't believe the things you posted I said at all. You have., along with Stephen posted incorrect information about me and my faith. You and Stephen could quite possibly go off into the sunset and be very happy together. You both hear only what you want and seem to be very content doing so. Delusion loves company

 

[truthhurts]

I don't believe the things you posted I said at all. You have., along with Stephen posted incorrect information about me and my faith. You and Stephen could quite possibly go off into the sunset and be very happy together. You both hear only what you want and seem to be very content doing so. Delusion loves company

Of course you don't believe you post these things because you are in deep deception....here is a thought.....turn off Christian TV and stop reading Joe Prince for a week and instead start fasting,seeking, praying and reading the word and you might come out of it....

 

[Stephen63]

I don't believe the things you posted I said at all. You have., along with Stephen posted incorrect information about me and my faith. You and Stephen could quite possibly go off into the sunset and be very happy together. You both hear only what you want and seem to be very content doing so. Delusion loves company

Rarely do I say anything about you personally, except you believe in Hyp******e, which is true.

What I usually talk about is your poor devotionals written by an uneducated televangelist.

As far as going off in the sunset with truthhurts, at least he doesn't spread heresy.

Perhaps you & G777 should ride off in the sunset in one of joseph prince's fancy cars, or in his private jet.

Now I am talking about you, since you named it & claimed it.

 

[Grace777x70]

Unfortunately anyone can see what malice and slander looks like and the bitterness it brings with it. It's time to grow up from the baby stage.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

Guard your hearts brethren because it is easy to escalate and end up in this condition.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes

Unfortunately this is the very reason to implement Romans 16:17 to those that continue to exhibit this kind of behavior to others in the body of Christ. We can't force others to stop this ungodly behavior but we can stop interacting with them and just let them slander away.

We bless them in the name of the Lord Jesus and leave them in the hands of their loving Lord.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[stonesoffire]

Its not name it and claim it...this is perverted truth. It's possible to take the scriptures and use them for personal gain. Like Dare to be great sales back in the '70s.

But, it's an intercessory act to declare the will of God in the earth. He is looking for us who will stand and declare His will.

His promises are yes, and amen. So ask with confidence and then declare, or speak to the mountains (problems) that loom up in life.

 

[Stephen63]

Unfortunately anyone can see what malice and slander looks like and the bitterness it brings with it. It's time to grow up from the baby stage.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

Guard your hearts brethren because it is easy to escalate and end up in this condition.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes

Unfortunately this is the very reason to implement Romans 16:17 to those that continue to exhibit this kind of behavior to others in the body of Christ. We can't force others to stop this ungodly behavior but we can stop interacting with them and just let them slander away.

We bless them in the name of the Lord Jesus and leave them in the hands of their loving Lord.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

I think you ought to be more direct instead of doing dozens of circles around the mulberry bush.

 

[posthuman]

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[TD]At the end of a church service, I don’t stand and pray, “Oh God, please bless Your people. Oh God, do keep them. Oh God, be ever so gracious to them!” Instead, I proclaim, “The Lord bless you. The Lord keep you. The Lord make His face shine on you and be gracious to you!”[/TD]
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how about "Lord thank you for blessing, for keeping, for making your face shine on me. thank you for being gracious"

?

 

[posthuman]

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[TD]When you have a need, do you pray or do you plead? Do you begin your prayers with words like, “Please God, please! God, I beg You to have mercy!”

Prayers that plead and beg imply that your heavenly Father is not willing to do it.[/TD]
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does anyone have a reference to God rebuking someone for asking for mercy? i've found dozens of people asking, even begging for mercy, but He seems to draw near to the humble.

thanks.

also, a prayer pleading for mercy implies that mercy is available - why would you pray for something you do not believe He is able or willing to give? desperation is proportional to need. need is not necessarily proportional to availability ((e.g. Proverbs 19:24)); what lacks depends on what is put to use, which is not the same measurement as what exists.

 

[Grace777x70]

how about "Lord thank you for blessing, for keeping, for making your face shine on me. thank you for being gracious"

?

That would work too! ....

I believe this comes from the principle of what the Lord said to Aaron to say when speaking to the people. It doesn't seem to be a prayer but a "declaration" to the people about the goodness of the Lord to them.

Numbers 6:22-27 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] "Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, 'Thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. You shall say to them:

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The LORD bless you, and keep you;

[SUP]25 [/SUP] The LORD make His face shine on you, And be gracious to you;

[SUP]26 [/SUP] The LORD lift up His countenance on you, And give you peace.'

[SUP]27 [/SUP] "So they shall invoke My name on the sons of Israel, and I then will bless them."

 

[joaniemarie]

Rarely do I say anything about you personally, except you believe in Hyp******e, which is true.

What I usually talk about is your poor devotionals written by an uneducated televangelist.

As far as going off in the sunset with truthhurts, at least he doesn't spread heresy.

Perhaps you & G777 should ride off in the sunset in one of joseph prince's fancy cars, or in his private jet.

Now I am talking about you, since you named it & claimed it.

LOL rarely do you say anything personal about me?

Well, maybe if you mean in the last 10 minutes? Sure, than that would be a true statement.

 

[Grace777x70]

does anyone have a reference to God rebuking someone for asking for mercy? i've found dozens of people asking, even begging for mercy, but He seems to draw near to the humble.

thanks.

also, a prayer pleading for mercy implies that mercy is available - why would you pray for something you do not believe He is able or willing to give? desperation is proportional to need. need is not necessarily proportional to availability ((e.g. Proverbs 19:24)); what lacks depends on what is put to use, which is not the same measurement as what exists.

When I read the OP - I thought it was talking in reference to pleading for things we know is God's will as in "if we plead - maybe we will get them.". For example - one could plead for food and yet Jesus said the Father feeds the birds of the air and will He not feed you too.

It's kind of like pleading for God to send Jesus to die on the cross. It's a done deal and now we thank Him for that and walk on knowing that it has been accomplished.

There is a time for asking for mercy for sure but that is a different subject then what the OP was trying to get across. That's my take on it anyway.

I suppose it could reflect also on how we view our Father too. Is He a taskmaster or a loving Father and thus how do we relate to Him? I know I have been of both those minds in the past.