PRAYERS THAT PROCLAIM

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

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[TD="class: yiv5973767039mcnTextContent, align: center"]But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.”
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[TD="class: yiv5973767039mcnTextContent"]- APRIL 18 -
PRAYERS THAT PROCLAIM

[HR][/HR]When you have a need, do you pray or do you plead? Do you begin your prayers with words like, “Please God, please! God, I beg You to have mercy!”

Prayers that plead and beg imply that your heavenly Father is not willing to do it. Yet, He is far more gracious and willing to give to you than you are willing to ask, think or imagine. (Ephesians 3:20) He desires above all things that you prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers. (3 John 1:2)

In fact, long before you have a need, God has already met that need. Long before you knew you needed a Savior, He sent His Son to be your Savior. This is your God! He is a good God. So when you beg Him for something, you are actually saying that He is reluctant to give and needs to be persuaded strongly before He will move. Yet, He is not like that.

Jesus knew the heart of the Father. When He saw the woman bound with a spirit of infirmity, He did not pray, “Oh Father! She has been suffering for 18 long years! I beseech You, Father, have mercy on her. Please, please heal her!” No, when Jesus saw her, He immediately proclaimed, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity,” because He knew the heart of the Father. He knew that the Father wanted her delivered from her crippling condition.

At the end of a church service, I don’t stand and pray, “Oh God, please bless Your people. Oh God, do keep them. Oh God, be ever so gracious to them!” Instead, I proclaim, “The Lord bless you. The Lord keep you. The Lord make His face shine on you and be gracious to you!”

Beloved, when you pray, proclaim your healing, protection and provision because your Father’s heart overflows with love for you. And when you declare it, He sanctions it. When you declare it, He establishes it!
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p_rehbein · Apr 18, 2017

Is this the "name it, claim it" ideology?

You know what happened to that guy in Houston, Tx who teaches this right? Some guy went up to the alter (after the sermon), stood in front of the preacher, and in a loud voice ..........NAMED THE PREACHER'S PRIVATE JET AND CLAIMED IT....

(never did hear how that worked out)

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

This kind of praying has helped change my understanding of God along with other changes I've made in my long held doctrinal beliefs. Prayer used to be my ability to convince God to pleeaaaase help me. Now prayer is affirming God's love in Christ for me. There are periods of time that changing old ways of living and relating to God were sort of like a turn over when a new business takes over. It takes some time but there is grace for that time.

Proclaiming the truth and agreeing with God is a major force in seeing Jesus in everything. Praying is an affirmation not a begging spree. While learning the Bible the Holy Spirit affirms the truths of His love and gives direction while affirming all the while His love. He never leaves us alone to figure it out. He is all the while affirming His love for us while we are waiting for the answers to come and His will to be done. Waiting becomes anticipating what He will do next.

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

p_rehbein said:

Well., if you know God loves you in Christ..... and you know He is faithful..... because you are a believer.......
Let the redeemed of the Lord SAY SO.

Or.... say nothing..... and expect nothing...... and live life here as if a fatherless., homeless., loveless pauper and lost sheep. It's up to you.

p_rehbein · Apr 18, 2017

I do not fully disagree with you, I do disagree that praying for God's help is wrong........I mean, after all, Jesus Himself prayed such a prayer in the Garden......

Luke 22:41) And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 .) Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 .) And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 .) And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

There are other examples of people praying for different types of help as well..........

10 Prayers For Help In Times of Need

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

You must have this thread mixed with another one you went to this morning. We do and must always go to Him for all our needs. We ask Him for the answers to our problems in life. We go to the Rock that is higher than we are. That is what believers do.

The difference is we go with the knowledge He loves us and has prepared a way for us. We don't beg Him to do what He promises as if He needs to be convinced. As if our words of persuasion will make Him love us more. He wants me to walk IN the love and grace He has provided in Christ.

If we have lost our way, He is the Good Shepherd and will lead us out of the wrong and into the right. Some of us have learned by trying to do life in "hopes" He will help us and love us was wrong. We realized from believing His Word and the witness of the Holy Spirit that He has been there all along ready to help us because of Jesus and the righteousness given us as a free gift.

Quite often our theology is wrong and we've thought He expected us to be good enough and that we needed first to earn His answers based on our works.

But in actuality He is pleased by the faith we have in HIS SON. So we can always have faith that He will indeed do as He promised, our faith finds it's answers. Without faith it is impossible to please Him.

Grace777x70 · Apr 18, 2017

There is definitely a truth that our faith becomes effective - or working when we acknowledge every good thing that is in us in Christ.

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

Personally I don't believe in thinking that if I say something enough times - then it will come about. I believe in the truth that it is already done in Christ and I acknowledge this truth. I say it ( name and claim it if you want to use those terms ) because it is already true - not to try to make it happen if I say it enough times.

There is a difference in saying things by our own effort to try to make something happen - and saying what is true in Christ because of what He has already done. Outwardly they look the same but the belief system with each one is different. One is of the flesh and the other is from the spirit.

I "name and claim" the truth that Christ alone is my righteousness. That Christ alone is my true life - that I have died with Christ and have been risen from the dead to newness of life in Him. I "name and claim" that Jesus is my provider, my healer. my Lord and Savior, He is my Rock and refuge - that I am complete in Him.

I "name and claim" a lot of things that are in us because of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and if prompted by the Holy Spirit within me - I speak these same words of truth in situations over other people's lives as well as my own.

We proclaim "Him" and His light makes the darkness dispel and melt away like dew on a foggy morning when the sunshine hits it.

Much happens when we speak truth of His light in the blackest darkest times in ours and others lives.

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

There is definitely a truth that our faith becomes effective - or working when we acknowledge every good thing that is in us in Christ.

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

Personally I don't believe in thinking that if I say something enough times - then it will come about. I believe in the truth that it is already done in Christ and I acknowledge this truth. I say it ( name and claim it if you want to use those terms ) because it is already true - not to try to make it happen if I say it enough times.

There is a difference in saying things by our own effort to try to make something happen - and saying what is true in Christ because of what He has already done. Outwardly they look the same but the belief system with each one is different. One is of the flesh and the other is from the spirit.

I "name and claim" the truth that Christ alone is my righteousness. That Christ alone is my true life - that I have died with Christ and have been risen from the dead to newness of life in Him. I "name and claim" that Jesus is my provider, my healer. my Lord and Savior, He is my Rock and refuge - that I am complete in Him.

I "name and claim" a lot of things that are in us because of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and if prompted by the Holy Spirit within me - I speak these same words of truth in situations over other people's lives as well as my own.

We proclaim "Him" and His light makes the darkness dispel and melt away like dew on a foggy morning when the sunshine hits it.

Much happens when we speak truth of His light in the blackest darkest times in ours and others lives.

EXACTLY!!! AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!

wwjd_kilden · Apr 18, 2017

I see what you are saying, and to some extent I agree

but

What about these preachers and "healers" who say "I declare you be free of <whatever>! ... and nothing happens?

sevenseas · Apr 18, 2017

joaniemarie said:

you beat me to it. I had wanted to begin a thread about the import of our words. decided never mind. but I guess God wanted it so he tapped you on the shoulder!

and you face the same opposition to dead end thinking that seems to be the norm around here

this is not name it and claim it

how on earth do you go from proclaiming the Aaronic blessing to some inane (my new favorite word to describe comments that are like a meteror in space with no orbit. you see them coming, you just want them to pass by and you forget they were there after they are gone)

Numbers 6:22-27New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Aaron’s Benediction

22 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 23 “Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, ‘Thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. You shall say to them:
24 The Lord bless you, and keep you;

25 The Lord make His face shine on you,
And be gracious to you;

26 The Lord lift up His countenance on you,
And give you peace.’

27 So they shall [a]invoke My name on the sons of Israel, and I then will bless them.”

It's in the Bible people!

Get a grip!

sevenseas · Apr 18, 2017

wwjd_kilden said:

what about them?

hasn't that been discussed to the nth degree?

this is biblical. begin with the healing of your spirit and then who knows how much more you might be willing to receive

do I believe that if we say we are healed of a physical disease we are healed? no

I do believe in aligning our minds with scripture though and this constant barrage of objections to the truth because people have one thing in mind and cannot seem to get past it, is detrimental to everyone

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

wwjd_kilden said:

It's taken me a loooong time to remember I can NOT look at other people when it comes to answered prayer let alone my walk with Jesus. We have an enemy who knows how to steal the word that was first sown in our hearts. his goal is to always point to the right and to the left in this world.

We don't have an "in" as to what or how other people's hearts are and how it relates to their faith walk. We don't know how God is dealing individually with someone who is going through major issues as well as non major issues in their faith. We don't even know if some are true believers.

How can we ever trust the works of people we see before going to the Bible and trusting the Word and the Spirit?? How can we base the truth of God's Word on what others are going through??? I've lived long enough to know people all have their own opinions and personal habits in life. They live according to those things. Some are good and some are imo stupid.

Silly example but one that can be applied to many other subjects; I don't iron curtains or undergarments. To my way of thinking that is a waste of time. But others have it long taught and indoctrinated from day 1 it is theeee only way to be a good housekeeper and wife and mother. Their mom did it that way and it worked so they will.

There comes a time when we step away from ideas that have no basis in the Bible. We have to come to our own convictions based on how the Holy Spirit teaches us through the Word as if for the first time. All things become new and fresh and relevant to our personal lives when we read the Bible as applied to our relationship to Christ. We are then able to keep what is right and be rid of those things that have no basis for how God wants us to live by faith. This takes time but it is time well spent better than any other issue in life we take time to learn about. Knowing God's will for us is vital in order to have the truth lead in every area our life. No one can walk it for us.

wwjd_kilden · Apr 18, 2017

You seem to assume (thought I could be wrong), that I am upset about not receiving healing myself.
That is not the case, I never asked for healing of my condition.

Now if a woman comes to church with arthritis and the preacher says "I declare you healed" it it does not happen, what do you think THAT does to the woman's faith?

PS the bible has both:
The Lord's prayer says "deliver us from evil" not "please deliver us"
BUT
Jesus says "whatever you ask for in my name" not "whatever you demand"

sevenseas · Apr 18, 2017

wwjd_kilden said:

I responded to what you wrote

what you wrote was not in response to the op. what you wrote is something you want to discuss...HEALING

why can't people stay on topic here? people start a thread on how to dig a trench and someone else comes along and says you can't build that mountain here

it's like disneyland in reverse. it's a ride but not much fun

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

sevenseas said:

Ohhh when was the last time I prayed... "Lord, give me a Mercedes Benz" And PHOOFFF it sits there in my driveway???? .. like.... NEVER. Or more to the subject., when was the last time I prayed "Lord please heal me from this horrible mindset I have" and POOOF it was totally gone? like.......NEVER.

I believe in answered prayer when we pray in His will. But it also takes time to know His will and to see His will and answers as it works out in my life. We can't always see the first percentages (folds) come in. Some 5 fold., some 12 fold.... some 25 fold... and on till the 100 fold. !!!

I look forward to the answers while waiting and having CONFIDENCE for the completion of them in life. The key has been to not allow the enemy to steal the Word from my heart. he always seeks to steal the Word from me. ALWAYS. Only now I'm on guard for that attack.

We are warned about him and his demons, and that he is a thief and a liar who comes to KILL us and steal from us and destroy us and our faith. he knows that if we believe the Word and do believe the Word and the Spirit enough to begin to see Him change us we will be a force in Christ to be dealt with more than to simply be fooled.

This is a truth I'm living out now. Be persistent in faith knowing our Advocate makes intercession on our behalf. There are so many amazing truths about how He does this and how we can wait in joyful ANTICIPATION instead of dreadful fear of judgment. We can have confidence in Him through the whole process.

joaniemarie · Apr 18, 2017

sevenseas said:

you beat me to it. I had wanted to begin a thread about the import of our words. decided never mind. but I guess God wanted it so he tapped you on the shoulder!

and you face the same opposition to dead end thinking that seems to be the norm around here

this is not name it and claim it

how on earth do you go from proclaiming the Aaronic blessing to some inane (my new favorite word to describe comments that are like a meteror in space with no orbit. you see them coming, you just want them to pass by and you forget they were there after they are gone)

Numbers 6:22-27New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Aaron’s Benediction

22 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 23 “Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, ‘Thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. You shall say to them:
24 The Lord bless you, and keep you;

25 The Lord make His face shine on you,
And be gracious to you;

26 The Lord lift up His countenance on you,
And give you peace.’

27 So they shall [a]invoke My name on the sons of Israel, and I then will bless them.”

It's in the Bible people!

Get a grip!

That's awesome sevenseas! Very glad because this is an subject we all need help on. To build confidence in the Father's love for us IN Christ and how praying changes things. He wants us to pray and to believe.

Grace777x70 · Apr 18, 2017

This is my personal belief. We can also speak out of our own mind without the prompting of the Holy Spirit and try to "make things" happen in our own fleshly attempts.

Jesus said that He didn't do the works but the Father in Him was doing His works. Jesus said that He could do nothing by His own initiative.

I believe in these areas we are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit as Jesus was on the Father in Him to do His good works by the Holy Spirit within Jesus.

Personally I don't dictate "what the provision looks like" or "how it comes about" unless I have that particular desire born in me when I'm praying in my communion with the Lord.

Jesus said "When you pray...whatsoever you desire - ask and believe that you have received it and you shall have it."

We get our true desires in our communion with the Lord. When having this time together with Him - His desire for us comes up and it is born in us. This is the desire that we are to ask for.

Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart. It's His desires being born in us as we fellowship with Him as our loving Father.

"For it is God who is at work in you both to will ( which is the desire ) and the capability to do of His good pleasure." Phil. 2:13

wwjd_kilden · Apr 18, 2017

sevenseas said:

You are trying to manipulate this to make me look bad eh?

Beloved, when you pray, proclaim your healing, protection and provision because your Father’s heart overflows with love for you. And when you declare it, He sanctions it. When you declare it, He establishes it!

sevenseas · Apr 18, 2017

joaniemarie said:

I believe blessings and curses are still in effect

many Christians do not

however, I have seen release in people's lives when they address certain things

one of my parents used to say to me many times, 'you are your own worst enemy'

I came to recognize that as a curse and began to see how that played out in my life. Did they mean it that way? no of course not. we need to be careful in our words, or did Jesus say we will have to answer for every idol word for nothig?

I know this subject alone can start WWIII LOL!

sevenseas · Apr 18, 2017

wwjd_kilden said:

grow up and own up to what you said and don't put it on me

you make yourself look bad as do we all

how can someone else make you look bad? I don't play word games, which this is

I'm not going to indulge you in this further

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