Body, Soul, and Spirit?

[Magenta]

I unfortunately do not understand the importance of this subject. But what interests me is the wrong perceptions christians has about the immorality of the soul. No human being has immortality. Only God has immortality.

Genesis 2:7 is giving us the components which make up a living soul. God formed the man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life. Living soul = dust + God's breathe. When we die the reverse happens. Creation in reverse. The dust return to the earth and the breathe (spirit in the nostrils) return to God. We are not our own. We are buy at a price, not of ourselves - the property of God.

We humans are mortal beings meaning we do not have eternal life in ourselves. God alone has immortality. What is the first lie satan told Eve? You should not surely die, You should be like God? And today christians fall for that lie again.

That is so true! And many refuse to accept all the explicit Scriptures that teach death as the wages of sin. It is perplexing to the Nth degree. They promote the lie of Satan Even though Scripture explicitly says only God is immortal and that man is mortal, many purport the immortality of the soul, saying since God created it, it cannot be destroyed, even though Jesus said it could be!

 

[Spokenpassage]

Life force... God holds the keys to life and death. When I simplify my beliefs, boil them down to the most basic elements, God grants life, He is the author and giver of life, He calls us out of the world, it is required we lay down our pride inherited from the fall, the veil between God and man is torn away with the acceptance of Christ's sacrifice upon the cross, where He poured out His righteous blood to pay the sin debt of the world. He is the ground of all being. Place your faith in Him and you are reconciled to God; He will raise you to a life more abundant. Reject Him as sovereign of the universe and you pass out of existence at the end of the age following the resurrection and judgement of all.

Wait, what?

Sorry, but do you believe in Annihilationism?

 

[Base12]

If One follows that patterns laid out in these verses...

1 Corinthians 15:44
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body"

1 Corinthians 15:45
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit"

1 Corinthians 15:47
"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven"

...One can clearly see the distinctions between Soul and Spirit.

Soul is Earth/Natural
Spirit is Heaven/Heavenly
Body is the joining of the two

If One wants to get technical, this information is encoded in the Candlestick...

...which represents DNA.

This is where the dividing takes place as Magenta's verse points out.

The Blossoms with Fire represents Soul.

The Blossoms without Fire represent Spirit.

The rest of the Candlestick represents Body.

Once One has become Illuminated with this Revelation, One may now look at verses with Spirit and Fire to see what other Revelations God's Word has waiting for us...

Matthew 3:11
"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire"

Holy Ghost is Spirit
Fire is Soul.

Seems our Soul may go through a Fiery Baptism of some sort...

1 Peter 4:12
"Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you"

 

[Locutus]

If yer listening to Motown yer got soul.

If yer listening to Enya yer got spirit...

 

[slave]

What is the significance of distinguishing the spirit from the soul? There is a great significance. It has much to do with the spiritual life of the believers. If believers do not know the boundary of their spirits, how can they understand the spiritual life? If they do not understand the spiritual life, how can they grow in their spiritual living? Because believers are either negligent or ignorant of the distinction between the spirit and the soul, they never grow in their spiritual life. Moreover, many times they take something soulish as spiritual, constantly remain in a soulish living, and do not seek after spiritual things. If we mix up what God has separated, we are bound to suffer loss.

Spiritual knowledge has much to do with the spiritual life. But the most important thing is whether or not a believer is willing to be humble and to receive the teaching of the Holy Spirit. If he is, the Holy Spirit will, in his experience, separate his soul from his spirit, though he may not even have the knowledge about this truth. A believer with very little knowledge concerning the distinction between the soul and the spirit can experience the difference between the two. On the other hand, a very knowledgeable believer may be well acquainted with the truth about the distinction between the soul and the spirit, and yet be without any experience at all. It is best that one has both the knowledge as well as the experience. Most believers are lacking in the experience. This is why it is good to let them know the different functions of the soul and the spirit so that they will seek after spiritual things.

Not only does 1 Thessalonians divide man into three parts; other passages in the Scripture do the same. Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and operative and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow, and able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Here the apostle divided the non-physical elements of man into two parts, the soul and the spirit, and he considered the physical part of man to include the joints and the marrow, which correspond to the mind and will. Just as a priest divided up a whole sacrifice and cut it apart with a knife so that nothing remained hidden, in the same way the Lord Jesus divides those who belong to Him, through the word of God; He pierces and divides every part, whether it be the spiritual, the soulish, or the physical. Since the soul and the spirit can be divided, the two must not be the same thing. Hence, this portion of the Word also considers man to be composed of three elements: the spirit, the soul, and the body.

 

[Spokenpassage]

If One follows that patterns laid out in these verses...

1 Corinthians 15:44
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body"

1 Corinthians 15:45
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit"

1 Corinthians 15:47
"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven"

...One can clearly see the distinctions between Soul and Spirit.

Soul is Earth/Natural
Spirit is Heaven/Heavenly
Body is the joining of the two

If One wants to get technical, this information is encoded in the Candlestick...

...which represents DNA.

This is where the dividing takes place as Magenta's verse points out.

The Blossoms with Fire represents Soul.

The Blossoms without Fire represent Spirit.

The rest of the Candlestick represents Body.

Once One has become Illuminated with this Revelation, One may now look at verses with Spirit and Fire to see what other Revelations God's Word has waiting for us...

Matthew 3:11
"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire"

Holy Ghost is Spirit
Fire is Soul.

Seems our Soul may go through a Fiery Baptism of some sort...

1 Peter 4:12
"Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you"

Okay, I don't see the connection. Spiritual baptism would represent regeneration and fire would represent the refining process. You will be made alive and new by Christ seems to be the picture John was getting at. Some have said that baptism refers to the indwelling as well.

 

[Base12]

Holy Ghost is Spirit
Fire is Soul

If what I am saying doesn't make sense, try asking yourself the question...

"Which can God burn... Soul or Spirit?"

If you said Soul, you are on the right track...

Psalms 16:10
"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption"

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

 

[Base12]

fire would represent the refining process.

Yes!

Spirit needs not be refined. It already is.

It is the Soul that needs refining.

 

[Blain]

I like how it was put that his spirit is like a fire. Ever since i became a Christian Fire has always been a very profound connection to me there are many times when i can be sitting here on cc chatting when suddenly i feel as if there is a blazing fire coming from deep within me and words are placed on my heart to speak and I type like a mad man pouring this fire into every word I am lead to type other times I have been attacked by demons or the enemy one time I was asleep and woke up in this pure dark place where satan was standing in front of me and when he began to speak he spoke of every flaw about me every screw up i ever made he brought back those horrible feelings of shame and doubt feeling so messed up and so unworthy of God I was about to lose all my strength from barely even on my knee when he said something that triggered me.

Said I was not strong enough and that I would never find the love I sought after with God, when he said this something sparked inside me and I felt this fire burn intensely inside me I looked at him straight in the eyes and with a fiery passion told him off explaining in detail how I would never give up until fathers heart is mine and how i don't care what I have to go through or how long it takes and well I don't need to ramble on it would take a while to explain all of this.

My point is almost every time the holy spirit interacts with me it's always in the form of fire in some way or another and a strength is given to me that i have never had. but it's not just the fire that is profound to me when the holy spirit interacts with me my soul is affected as well almost as if his flame becomes my flame his passion is my passion his strength is my strength. The spirit of God comes in different forms sometimes it's water sometimes wind and sometimes fire but let me assure you when his spirit connects to yours your soul will be on fire

 

[FreeNChrist]

Interesting thoughts. Now, animals have a body and spirit (breath) too. So in your presentation does that animal have a soul?

Animals function only on the psychological (soul, psuche) and physiological (body, soma) levels. Man alone is created with the capacity for spiritual (pneuma) life function.

 

[oyster67]

Could it be said that the primary attribute of the soul is immortality, and the primary attribute of the spirit is goodness or evilness?

 

[Marano]

I believe we are born with a body and a soul but dead spiriturally, when someone is saved God seals them with His holy spirit and that person becomes a new creature and the soul and spirit become one thing.

 

[valiant]

Genesis 2:7 Body, soul, and spirit.

now why should we get body soul and spirit from Gen 2.7? It is speaking of a body into which God breathed life and made a living soul.

 

[valiant]

Could it be said that the primary attribute of the soul is immortality, and the primary attribute of the spirit is goodness or evilness?

where does it teach that the soul is immortal? it is merely the inner man, the centre of man's being. But man is ONE. His soul operates through body and spirit.

 

[valiant]

Animals function only on the psychological (soul, psuche) and physiological (body, soma) levels. Man alone is created with the capacity for spiritual (pneuma) life function.

Gen 7.15 There went into the Ark with Noah two by two of all flesh in which was the ruach of life.

 

[3angels]

Gen 7.15 There went into the Ark with Noah two by two of all flesh in which was the ruach of life.

I am very disappointed with most believers, because they ain't open enough to diligently study doctrine that really challenge their reason power. I am open to any doctrine, if you can prove it to me in scripture I will test to see which spirit is behind it. Many to easy go on what other people say. A doctrine may be strange but you must still test and prove if it is inline with scripture. The truth is deep and not very shallow. God won't give us understanding if we are not sincere and humble. That is my challenge to everyone.

 

[3angels]

Jesus, that we should become like little children, if we are going to inherit the kingdom of God.

I would encourage truth seeker to pray and ask God for wisdom and understanding.

Like the experience of Paul, when he was strike with blindness he prayeth. Paul was thinking he was doing God a favour by persecuting the believers which was called 'The Way', because they believed in Jesus. Paul was spiritually blind and he prayeth and God spoke to Annias to come and pray for Saul before his conversion so that the blindness could fall from his eyes. In like manner truth is proclaim and believers are to comfortable in the way they were brought up and taught. Rather then doing your own research and just accept others opinion. Be willing to be challenged. Matt 7:7 Encouraging us to continue knock, seek and ask.

May God bless everyone .

 

[valiant]

Wait, what?

Sorry, but do you believe in Annihilationism?

no, in destruction.

 

[slave]

The body is the "world-consciousness," the soul is the "self-consciousness," and the spirit is the "God-consciousness." There are five organs in the body which afford man the five senses. This physical body enables man to communicate with the physical world. This is why it is called the "world- consciousness." The soul comprises that part in man known as the intellect, which makes man's existence possible. The part of love generates affections toward other human beings or objects. Affections originate from the senses. All these are parts of man himself; they form the personality of man.

Hence, they are called the "self-consciousness." The spirit is the part with which man communicates with God. With this part man worships God, serves Him, and understands his relationship with God. Hence, it is called "God-consciousness." Just as God dwells in the spirit, the self dwells in the soul, and the senses dwell in the body.

 

[slave]

now why should we get body soul and spirit from Gen 2.7? It is speaking of a body into which God breathed life and made a living soul.

Here it says that the man became "a living soul." This signifies not only that the soul is produced from the union between the spirit and the body, but that after the soul is produced from this union of the spirit and the body, both the spirit and the body are incorporated into the soul. In other words, the soul and the body are fully joined to the spirit, and the spirit and the body are incorporated into the soul. Before Adam fell, his spirit and his flesh were of course not in conflict with each other daily as it is with us today. The three elements of his being were fully in harmony one with another. These three were mingled together.

The soul served as the linking chain, the seat of man's personality, making it possible for man to exist independently. The soul is the consummation of the spirit and the body, the totality of the elements within man. After man's spirit and body were fully integrated, man became a living soul. This soul is the very result of the union of the two things; it is man's own personality. We may consider an incomplete illustration: if we put a drop of ink into a cup of water, the ink and the water mingle together and become ink-water. You can say that it is ink; it is indeed ink. You can also say that it is water, for it is still water. The ink and the water are integrated together and have become a third thing—ink-water. (Of course, the soul produced from the union of the spirit and the body is an independent and insoluble element, just as the spirit and the body are.)

In the same way, the spirit and the body were two independent elements, but after they combined, the combination became a living soul.