Body, Soul, and Spirit?

[slave]

Satan deceives the children of God. If the believers would maintain the attitude of the "flesh" being crucified, Satan would have no way because "the flesh is the workshop of Satan." If the "flesh"—not only a part of the flesh—is really under the power of the Lord's death, then Satan will be unemployed. Therefore, Satan is willing to allow the believers to put to death the sinful part of the flesh, but he deludes the believers into retaining the good part, realizing that if the good part of the flesh remains, the life of the flesh will be kept. Then he still has the workshop to do his work, so that eventually he will regain that which he lost. He knows that if the flesh can overcome the Holy Spirit in the matter of serving God, the flesh can also obtain and maintain the victory in the matter of serving sin. This is the reason why many believers fall back to serving sin after they have been freed from sin.

If the Holy Spirit is not actually in complete and uninterrupted control and directing them in the matter of worship, He will not have the power to direct and control them in their daily life. If I have not denied myself toward God, neither will I be able to deny myself toward man; I will not be able to overcome hatred, temper, and selfishness. These two matters are linked together and cannot be separated.

 

[3angels]

Animals function only on the psychological (soul, psuche) and physiological (body, soma) levels. Man alone is created with the capacity for spiritual (pneuma) life function.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

 

[christig]

What are your views of the trichotomy of our being? Do you believe that we are what some passages say body, soul, and spirit? Or do you believe that soul is synonymous with spirit?

Please provide Scripture and biblically aligned reason/explanation to back your positions.

And...is this an important issue, why or why not?

We are body, soul, spirit... each distinct things.

Body = our flesh.
Soul = who we are.
Spirit = air/breath that makes our body AND soul living.

If you remove the spirit, which is the air/breath, then our body AND soul dies. I have a study on this here, The Soul and Spirit of the Natural Body, and the Spiritual Body of the First Resurrection | Wisdom of God .

 

[3angels]

We are body, soul, spirit... each distinct things.

Body = our flesh.
Soul = who we are.
Spirit = air/breath that makes our body AND soul living.

If you remove the spirit, which is the air/breath, then our body AND soul dies. I have a study on this here, The Soul and Spirit of the Natural Body, and the Spiritual Body of the First Resurrection | Wisdom of God .

I really do not understand what you mean by "soul = who we are".

And the line below you say the spirit refers to the breathe that makes us living soul. Which I totally agree with. We should remember that only God has immortality. And we that are saved will only receive immortality at Jesus second coming. And what did Peter preached on the day of Pentecost about the patriarch David.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

The scripture is saying that when believers or sinners die they return to the dust and the breathe (ruag) returns to God and some translate it as (spirit). I can safely say the bible does not contradict itself.

 

[christig]

I really do not understand what you mean by "soul = who we are".

And the line below you say the spirit refers to the breathe that makes us living soul. Which I totally agree with. We should remember that only God has immortality. And we that are saved will only receive immortality at Jesus second coming. And what did Peter preached on the day of Pentecost about the patriarch David.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

The scripture is saying that when believers or sinners die they return to the dust and the breathe (ruag) returns to God and some translate it as (spirit). I can safely say the bible does not contradict itself.

By who we are I mean that if your soul went to the left, and your spirit went to the right, YOU YOURSELF would be on the left where your soul is. Your BEING IS YOUR SOUL. The spirit, aka the break, is what gives your soul LIFE.

 

[3angels]

By who we are I mean that if your soul went to the left, and your spirit went to the right, YOU YOURSELF would be on the left where your soul is. Your BEING IS YOUR SOUL. The spirit, aka the break, is what gives your soul LIFE.

Okay I am still pretty puzzled, but I will go through the bible study you posted and I will come back to you, if I have any questions.

 

[christig]

Okay I am still pretty puzzled, but I will go through the bible study you posted and I will come back to you, if I have any questions.

Sounds good.

 

[slave]

Interesting thoughts. Now, animals have a body and spirit (breath) too. So in your presentation does that animal have a soul?

* Animals have a body and soul; but only man has a spirit. Which is dormant due to Adams moral choices, which The Cross enlivens to us as He gives us His Spirit; namely the Holy Spirit. Now, it is only under our renewed spirit can we gain the inner most parts of ourselves as His Spirit transforms our spirit unto Holiness. Putting to death the flesh and living under His control.

 

[slave]

I really do not understand what you mean by "soul = who we are".

And the line below you say the spirit refers to the breathe that makes us living soul. Which I totally agree with. We should remember that only God has immortality. And we that are saved will only receive immortality at Jesus second coming. And what did Peter preached on the day of Pentecost about the patriarch David.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

The scripture is saying that when believers or sinners die they return to the dust and the breathe (ruag) returns to God and some translate it as (spirit). I can safely say the bible does not contradict itself.

Paul said, "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" (1 Cor. 6:17), not one soul. The resurrected Lord is the life-giving Spirit (15:45); therefore, His union with the believers is His union with the believers' spirit. The soul is only the personality of a man and is natural; it should only be used as a vessel to express the results of the union between the Lord and the spirit of the believer. In the believers' soul there is nothing that matches the nature of the Lord's life; only the spirit can have such union.

Since the union is a union of the spirit, there is no place for the soul. If the soul and the spirit are still mixed, it will make the union impure. As long as our living has any trace of walking according to our thoughts, of having our own opinion in anything, or of having our emotion stirred in any way, it is enough to weaken this union in our experience. Only things of a similar nature may have a fitting union. Mixture will not do.

Just as the Spirit of the Lord is pure and without a trace of mixture, our spirit should also be pure so there can be a real and actual union. If the believer is unwilling to let go of his own wonderful thoughts, unwilling to get rid of his own likings, and unwilling to lay aside his own ideas to obey God's will, it is impossible to express this union in experience.

 

[slave]

The soul is the meeting point of spirit and body, for there they are merged. By his spirit man holds association with the spiritual world and with the Spirit of God, both receiving and expressing the power and life of the spiritual realm.Through his body man is in contact with the outside sensuous world, affecting it and being is affected by it.

The soul stands between these two worlds, yet belongs to both. It is linked with the spiritual world through the spirit and with the material world through the body. It also possesses the power of free will, hence is able to choose from among its environments. The spirit cannot act directly upon the body. It needs a medium, and that medium is the soul produced by the touching of the spirit with the body. The soul therefore stands between the spirit and the body, binding these two together. The spirit can subdue the body through the medium of the soul, so that it will obey God; likewise the body through the soul can draw the spirit into loving the world. Living by the flesh, even after regeneration.

 

[Ariel82]

What are your views of the trichotomy of our being? Do you believe that we are what some passages say body, soul, and spirit? Or do you believe that soul is synonymous with spirit?

Please provide Scripture and biblically aligned reason/explanation to back your positions.

And...is this an important issue, why or why not?

I believe that the soul and spirit could refer to the same thing. I would call it our innermost being because the Greek translates it as spirit and the Hebrew get a translated as soul but they refer to our innermost being or breath of life.

However soul is also used to describe our minds and thoughts, which is different from our innermost being.

We are all three spirit/soul, soul/mind and body

Will gather bible verses later, if I get time.

 

[slave]

When God's life (which also is called the "Spirit") enters into our human spirit, it enlivens our spirit which was in a state like a drunken stupor (dormant). Formerly our spirit was "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18), but now it has been made alive. Therefore, "the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness" (Rom. 8:10). What we lost in Adam was the spirit which died; what we receive at regeneration is this dead spirit which has been enlivened. However, we not only obtain what we had lost in Adam, we also receive a new spirit with God's life which Adam never had.

As a result of seeing this, we understand the vanity of self-improvement, exhortations to do good, revival, repentance, etc. No matter what man does on his own, he cannot enliven his spirit, nor can he receive a "new spirit." Regardless of how he improves, that which is dead is dead. Regardless of how he repairs, that which is old is still old. Unless man receives a new life from above, no matter how diligently he studies religion and practices morality, he will not be able to make his spirit alive and new.

Only the new Spirit of God can enliven man's old spirit. Those who want to make their spirit alive but do not receive God's new Spirit of life will be dead forever. A man without regeneration has absolutely nothing to do with Christ (Rom. 8:9); therefore, every so-called believer should ask himself whether he has been regenerated. Only those who receive God's surpassing life are God's children. Being His children and yet not being born of Him is an absurdity.

 

[hastrup]

When God's life (which also is called the "Spirit") enters into our human spirit, it enlivens our spirit which was in a state like a drunken stupor (dormant). Formerly our spirit was "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18), but now it has been made alive. Therefore, "the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness" (Rom. 8:10). What we lost in Adam was the spirit which died; what we receive at regeneration is this dead spirit which has been enlivened. However, we not only obtain what we had lost in Adam, we also receive a new spirit with God's life which Adam never had.

As a result of seeing this, we understand the vanity of self-improvement, exhortations to do good, revival, repentance, etc. No matter what man does on his own, he cannot enliven his spirit, nor can he receive a "new spirit." Regardless of how he improves, that which is dead is dead. Regardless of how he repairs, that which is old is still old. Unless man receives a new life from above, no matter how diligently he studies religion and practices morality, he will not be able to make his spirit alive and new.

Only the new Spirit of God can enliven man's old spirit. Those who want to make their spirit alive but do not receive God's new Spirit of life will be dead forever. A man without regeneration has absolutely nothing to do with Christ (Rom. 8:9); therefore, every so-called believer should ask himself whether he has been regenerated. Only those who receive God's surpassing life are God's children. Being His children and yet not being born of Him is an absurdity.

Cool, you said it all. I love your verse intellectual reasoning. you're full of God's Spirit

 

[psalm6819]

I am a spirit that is eternal. I have a soul (the intellect, emotion, personality. Presently I live in a body.

When I accepted Jesus my spirit was born again of God.

I still have the same soul that is the "me ness" of me.

I still have the same body.

My spirit was sealed by the Holy Spirit my body will be redeemed on this earth God will teach and renew my soul..

 

[psalm6819]

Insert comma after redeemed

 

[Chris1975]

What are your views of the trichotomy of our being? Do you believe that we are what some passages say body, soul, and spirit? Or do you believe that soul is synonymous with spirit?

Please provide Scripture and biblically aligned reason/explanation to back your positions.

And...is this an important issue, why or why not?

Body = Physical vessel / tangible / synonymous with the Flesh (its what was corrupted by the fall of Adam and is what mankind is born into. Man is born into sin, through the bloodline descent of Adam. In an unregenerated man, the Body/Flesh DOMINATES the actions of the soul. The soul tends to gratify the lusts of the flesh. Man's decision making tends to always be SELF serving.

Soul = the feelings, emotions, and decision making. The inner person. The "Soul that sins shall surely die" Ezekiel 18v20. Its the soul that is at stake in terms of your eternal salvation. It is your soul that makes a decision as to whether to live by the flesh or by the Spirit, as we will see in the scriptures below.

Spirit = The incorruptible God nature that is birthed within a human being through the second birth (born again). God said to Adam, that should he eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then in that day you shall surely die (para). We know that Adam's body did not die on that day. It was a Spiritual death. No longer was Adam being led by the Spirit.

[h=1]Romans 8New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [h=3]Free from Indwelling Sin[/h]8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[SUP][a][/SUP] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. <this decision is made by the soul. Prior to conversion the soul by default gratifies the flesh. Now that we have Jesus Christ (the second Adam), and now that Jesus Christ has defeated sin in the flesh, we have a new Master. We no longer need to gratify the flesh. We are now free to serve Him by being led by the Spirit and setting our minds on the things of the Spirit> [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds <soul decision> on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded <soul decision> is death, but to be spiritually minded <soul decision> is life and peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind <soul> is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. [SUP]8 [/SUP]So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. <those who decide to follow and gratify the flesh. a soul decision>

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin <see Romans 6v4>, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. <now we see a total reverse in the order of things. Up to this point, man was ruled by his flesh. Soul decisions followed the lusts of the flesh. Now a change has occurred. IF the Spirit of Christ dwells in you, the power of the flesh to dominate has been dealt with, through Jesus defeating sin in the flesh on the cross (see Romans 8v3 above). We are now free once again. Given the opportunity of free will once again. We have the CHOICE now. What do you choose to serve? The flesh or the Spirit. Your soul makes this decision. Free will restored.>


Sonship Through the Spirit

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For if you live according to the flesh you will die <brethren - meaning those who call themselves Christian brothers>; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. <so there are those being led by the Spirit - these are the sons of God. Those who are being led by the flesh are__________>


Your soul is the one which receives eternal life (and a new body to go with it eventually, a body that is not corrupted), or your soul goes to hell. That is for whom Jesus died. You are set free. Now that you have new birth, how do you choose to live out the life that Jesus has purchased?

 

[valiant]

By who we are I mean that if your soul went to the left, and your spirit went to the right, YOU YOURSELF would be on the left where your soul is. Your BEING IS YOUR SOUL. The spirit, aka the break, is what gives your soul LIFE.

Rubbish. Your true soul and spirit are indivisible.

 

[Chris1975]

Rubbish. Your true soul and spirit are indivisible.

Hebrews 4
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[joaniemarie]

We have to know who we are to know what's required of us.

Exactly! That is vital because if you still believe you are a lousy rotten sinner you will never rise above what you believe you are. If you believe what God says you are IN Christ., a loved son who is now made righteous IN Christ your Advocate., you will be growing in faith believing and you will be able to do all things through Christ who will strengthen you.