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bluto

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I am only guessing, but, I believe you refuse to believe certain things Christ has revealed because of your distaste for certain things of Christ.
And I'm not guessing deliverances, I think your "mad" if that's what you think. On what basis would you ever come to the conclusion (even by guessing) that I would have a distaste for certain things of Christ? And what can you offer me that's better than Jesus Christ? Btw, I know your not familar with Psalm 34:8, "O TASTE and see that the Lord is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him."

Who or what are you taking refuge in deliverances? Who is Jesus Christ to you? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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And I'm not guessing deliverances, I think your "mad" if that's what you think. On what basis would you ever come to the conclusion (even by guessing) that I would have a distaste for certain things of Christ? And what can you offer me that's better than Jesus Christ? Btw, I know your not familar with Psalm 34:8, "O TASTE and see that the Lord is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him." Who or what are you taking refuge in deliverances? Who is Jesus Christ to you? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto
I believe everything I know Jesus has revealed; do you?
 

notuptome

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What is it that you suppose Jesus revealed outside of the bible?

Are you suggesting that the early church fathers have special revelation from Jesus? Perhaps you find extra revelation from Jesus in the angel Moroni? Perhaps you find this additional revelation in the gnostics?

Lay it out for us.

Maybe you find it distasteful that Jesus has declared you a sinner in need of salvation. Perhaps you find the authority of Jesus uncomfortable.

For the cause of Christ
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NickT

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#27
The scriptures are the only objective truth about God and life we have. We cannot know for certain that anything outside of them is true so to base our lives on anything but the truth revealed in God's word is to base our lives on something that we can have absolutely no certainty about. God has given us sufficient truth in His word to speak to every matter of faith and practice. If the scriptures are sufficient then it follows that we never have to speculate about anything or look to any other source.
 
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NickT

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The scriptures are the only objective truth about God and life we have. We cannot know for certain that anything outside of them is true so to base our lives on anything but the truth revealed in God's word is to base our lives on something that we can have absolutely no certainty about. God has given us sufficient truth in His word to speak to every matter of faith and practice. If they are sufficient then it follows that we never have to speculate anything or look to any other source.
Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

17 that the person dedicated to God may be capable and equipped for every good work.
 
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The scriptures are the only objective truth about God and life we have. We cannot know for certain that anything outside of them is true so to base our lives on anything but the truth revealed in God's word is to base our lives on something that we can have absolutely no certainty about. God has given us sufficient truth in His word to speak to every matter of faith and practice. If the scriptures are sufficient then it follows that we never have to speculate about anything or look to any other source.
Does everything Christ has revealed binds us to obedience?
 
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sevenseas

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#30
The divine revelations of Jesus are not contained in only 1 book. You need to believe everything Christ has revealed. Stop picking and choosing based on your preferences and start believing Jesus.

Jesus is not the problem here

have you accepted Jesus and do you believe He died for you, in your place, so your sins could be forgiven and that He rose again?

that is what matters both inside and outside of the Bible

is Jesus your Savior?
 
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It states in 2 Timothy 3:16 ~ All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
The following verse needs to be added:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

One of the biggest issues in the church today is the sufficiency of Scriptures being rejected. It has always been an issue, but, nonetheless the Scriptures is that authority.

Also, chapter 4 continues and expands upon this, and as to why it is necessary.
 

miknik5

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#32
The things Christ has revealed to us outside of scripture do not add nor take away from scripture. Everything Christ has revealed binds us to obedience.
Can you give an example
 
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Spokenpassage

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#33
In matters of faith and morals?
Chapter 1, The Holy Scriptures:

The Holy Scriptures are the only sufficient, certain, and infallible standard of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience. (1) The light of nature and the works of creation and providence so clearly demonstrate the goodness, wisdom, and power of God that people are left without excuse; however, these demonstrations are not sufficient to give the knowledge of God and his will that is necessary for salvation. (2) Therefore, the Lord was pleased at different times and in various ways to reveal himself and to declare his will to his church. (3) To preserve and propagate the truth better and to establish and comfort the church with greater certainty against the corruption of the flesh and the malice of Satan and the world, the Lord put this revelation completely in writing. Therefore, the Holy Scriptures are absolutely necessary, because God’s former ways of revealing his will to his people have now ceased. (4)

(1) 2 Timothy 3:15–17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20. (2) Romans 1:19–21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalm 19:1–3. (3) Hebrews 1:1. (4) Proverbs 22:19–21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19, 20.

The Holy Scriptures, or the Word of God written, consist of all the books of the Old and New Testaments. These are:

THE OLD TESTAMENT: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi.

THE NEW TESTAMENT: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation.

All of these are given by the inspiration of God to be the standard of faith and life. (5)

(5) 2 Timothy 3:16.

The books commonly called the Apocrypha were not given by divine inspiration and so are not part of the canon or standard of the Scriptures. Therefore, they have no authority for the church of God and are not to be recognized or used in any way different from other human writings. (6)

(6) Luke 24:27, 44; Romans 3:2.

The authority of the Holy Scriptures obligates belief in them. This authority does not depend on the testimony of any person or church but on God the author alone, who is truth itself. Therefore, the Scriptures are to be received because they are the Word of God. (7)

(7) 2 Peter 1:19–21; 2 Timothy 3:16; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 John 5:9.

The testimony of the church of God may stir and persuade us to adopt a high and reverent respect for the Holy Scriptures. Moreover, the heavenliness of the contents, the power of the system of truth, the majesty of the style, the harmony of all the parts, the central focus on giving all glory to God, the full revelation of the only way of salvation, and many other incomparable qualities and complete perfections, all provide abundant evidence that the Scriptures are the Word of God. Even so, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth and divine authority of the Scriptures comes from the internal work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts. (8)

(8) John 16:13,14; 1 Corinthians 2:10–12; 1 John 2:20, 27.

The whole counsel of God concerning everything essential for his own glory and man’s salvation, faith, and life is either explicitly stated or by necessary inference contained in the Holy Scriptures. Nothing is ever to be added to the Scriptures, either by new revelation of the Spirit or by human traditions. (9) Nevertheless, we acknowledge that the inward illumination of the Spirit of God is necessary for a saving understanding of what is revealed in the Word. (10) We recognize that some circumstances concerning the worship of God and government of the church are common to human actions and organizations and are to be ordered by the light of nature and Christian wisdom, following the general rules of the Word, which must always be observed. (11)

(9) 2 Timothy 3:15–17; Galatians 1:8,9. (10) John 6:45; 1 Corinthians 2:9–12. (11) 1 Corinthians 11:13, 14; 1 Corinthians 14:26, 40.

Some things in Scripture are clearer than others, and some people understand the teachings more clearly than others. (12) However, the things that must be known, believed, and obeyed for salvation are so clearly set forth and explained in one part of Scripture or another that both the educated and uneducated may achieve a sufficient understanding of them by properly using ordinary measures. (13)

(12) 2 Peter 3:16. (13) Psalm 19:7; Psalm 119:130.

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the native language of the ancient people of God. (14) The New Testament was written in Greek, which at the time it was written was most widely known to the nations. These Testaments were inspired directly by God and by his unique care and providence were kept pure down through the ages. They are therefore true and authoritative (a), so that in all religious controversies the church must make their ultimate appeal to them. (15) All God’s people have a right to and a claim on the Scriptures and are commanded in the fear of God to read (16) and search them. (17) Not all of God’s people know these original languages, so the Scriptures are to be translated into the common language of every nation to which they come. (18) In this way the Word of God may dwell richly in all, so that they may worship him in an acceptable manner and through patience and the comfort of the Scriptures may have hope. (19)

(a) authentical

(14) Romans 3:2. (15) Isaiah 8:20. (16) Acts 15:15. (17) John 5:39. (18) 1 Corinthians 14:6, 9, 11, 12, 24, 28. (19)Colossians 3:16.

The infallible rule for interpreting Scripture is the Scripture itself. Therefore, when there is a question about the true and full meaning (c) of any part of Scripture (and each passage has only one meaning, not many), it must be understood in light of other passages that speak more clearly. (20)

(c) sense

(20) 2 Peter 1:20, 21; Acts 15:15, 16.

The supreme judge for deciding all religious controversies and for evaluating all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, human teachings, and individual interpretationsd, and in whose judgment we are to rest, is nothing but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit. In this Scripture our faith finds its final word. (21)

(d) private spirits

(21) Matthew 22:29, 31, 32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23.

Chapter 1 – The Holy Scriptures : Founders Ministries
 
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Chapter 1, The Holy Scriptures: The Holy Scriptures are the only sufficient, certain, and infallible standard of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience. (1) The light of nature and the works of creation and providence so clearly demonstrate the goodness, wisdom, and power of God that people are left without excuse; however, these demonstrations are not sufficient to give the knowledge of God and his will that is necessary for salvation. (2) Therefore, the Lord was pleased at different times and in various ways to reveal himself and to declare his will to his church. (3) To preserve and propagate the truth better and to establish and comfort the church with greater certainty against the corruption of the flesh and the malice of Satan and the world, the Lord put this revelation completely in writing. Therefore, the Holy Scriptures are absolutely necessary, because God’s former ways of revealing his will to his people have now ceased. (4) (1) 2 Timothy 3:15–17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20. (2) Romans 1:19–21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalm 19:1–3. (3) Hebrews 1:1. (4) Proverbs 22:19–21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19, 20. The Holy Scriptures, or the Word of God written, consist of all the books of the Old and New Testaments. These are: THE OLD TESTAMENT: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. THE NEW TESTAMENT: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation. All of these are given by the inspiration of God to be the standard of faith and life. (5) (5) 2 Timothy 3:16. The books commonly called the Apocrypha were not given by divine inspiration and so are not part of the canon or standard of the Scriptures. Therefore, they have no authority for the church of God and are not to be recognized or used in any way different from other human writings. (6) (6) Luke 24:27, 44; Romans 3:2. The authority of the Holy Scriptures obligates belief in them. This authority does not depend on the testimony of any person or church but on God the author alone, who is truth itself. Therefore, the Scriptures are to be received because they are the Word of God. (7) (7) 2 Peter 1:19–21; 2 Timothy 3:16; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 John 5:9. The testimony of the church of God may stir and persuade us to adopt a high and reverent respect for the Holy Scriptures. Moreover, the heavenliness of the contents, the power of the system of truth, the majesty of the style, the harmony of all the parts, the central focus on giving all glory to God, the full revelation of the only way of salvation, and many other incomparable qualities and complete perfections, all provide abundant evidence that the Scriptures are the Word of God. Even so, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth and divine authority of the Scriptures comes from the internal work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts. (8) (8) John 16:13,14; 1 Corinthians 2:10–12; 1 John 2:20, 27. The whole counsel of God concerning everything essential for his own glory and man’s salvation, faith, and life is either explicitly stated or by necessary inference contained in the Holy Scriptures. Nothing is ever to be added to the Scriptures, either by new revelation of the Spirit or by human traditions. (9) Nevertheless, we acknowledge that the inward illumination of the Spirit of God is necessary for a saving understanding of what is revealed in the Word. (10) We recognize that some circumstances concerning the worship of God and government of the church are common to human actions and organizations and are to be ordered by the light of nature and Christian wisdom, following the general rules of the Word, which must always be observed. (11) (9) 2 Timothy 3:15–17; Galatians 1:8,9. (10) John 6:45; 1 Corinthians 2:9–12. (11) 1 Corinthians 11:13, 14; 1 Corinthians 14:26, 40. Some things in Scripture are clearer than others, and some people understand the teachings more clearly than others. (12) However, the things that must be known, believed, and obeyed for salvation are so clearly set forth and explained in one part of Scripture or another that both the educated and uneducated may achieve a sufficient understanding of them by properly using ordinary measures. (13) (12) 2 Peter 3:16. (13) Psalm 19:7; Psalm 119:130. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the native language of the ancient people of God. (14) The New Testament was written in Greek, which at the time it was written was most widely known to the nations. These Testaments were inspired directly by God and by his unique care and providence were kept pure down through the ages. They are therefore true and authoritative (a), so that in all religious controversies the church must make their ultimate appeal to them. (15) All God’s people have a right to and a claim on the Scriptures and are commanded in the fear of God to read (16) and search them. (17) Not all of God’s people know these original languages, so the Scriptures are to be translated into the common language of every nation to which they come. (18) In this way the Word of God may dwell richly in all, so that they may worship him in an acceptable manner and through patience and the comfort of the Scriptures may have hope. (19) (a) authentical (14) Romans 3:2. (15) Isaiah 8:20. (16) Acts 15:15. (17) John 5:39. (18) 1 Corinthians 14:6, 9, 11, 12, 24, 28. (19)Colossians 3:16. The infallible rule for interpreting Scripture is the Scripture itself. Therefore, when there is a question about the true and full meaning (c) of any part of Scripture (and each passage has only one meaning, not many), it must be understood in light of other passages that speak more clearly. (20) (c) sense (20) 2 Peter 1:20, 21; Acts 15:15, 16. The supreme judge for deciding all religious controversies and for evaluating all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, human teachings, and individual interpretationsd, and in whose judgment we are to rest, is nothing but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit. In this Scripture our faith finds its final word. (21) (d) private spirits (21) Matthew 22:29, 31, 32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23. Chapter 1 – The Holy Scriptures : Founders Ministries
Does everything Christ has revealed binds us to obedience?
 

bluto

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I believe everything I know Jesus has revealed; do you?
Well that's good deliverances. So what has Jesus revealed about Himself to you and how did He reveal it to you, by what means? Can you please give me some examples? In fact, let me give you an example. Did He reveal to you that He was God like He did to me? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

Dino246

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#38
The divine revelations of Jesus are not contained in only 1 book. You need to believe everything Christ has revealed. Stop picking and choosing based on your preferences and start believing Jesus.
Not one book, but rather 66 books, one Bible.

Everything Christ has revealed binds us to obedience.
Chapter and verse, please. From the Bible, that is.

Perhaps it's time you come clean and reveal your true agenda here. Repeating yourself isn't going to convince anyone of anything.
 

tourist

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#39
It states in 2 Timothy 3:16 ~ All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
This scripture verse does not teach that the Holy Bible is the sole authority for Christians in matters of faith and morals.
What else besides the Word of God would you need to live a Christian life? The verse did not claim to be the sole authority but it was implied.
 
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What else besides the Word of God would you need to live a Christian life? The verse did not claim to be the sole authority but it was implied.
That verse did not imply or claim the Holy Bible to be the sole authority for Christians in matters of faith and morals. Your attempt to unbind yourself from obedience is very weak.