SIN DOESN'T MATTER: CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS CLAIM?
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Some people interpret the scriptures according to the Spirit.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
They will be tempted,but will not sin.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
For they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.They are led of the Spirit,show the ways of the Spirit,and not the ways of the flesh,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.They do not want sin,and hate sin.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
The crown of life is given to all who love the Lord,and is not a reward to some and not to others,but is eternal life,for it is given to all the saints who love Jesus,and it is given to those who endure temptation,and do not play upon it,and beat it,and do not sin.
James says,do not err.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Whoever abides in Christ does not sin,and this is how the children of God,and the children of the devil,are separated.Those that do not do righteousness is not of God.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
And some interpret the scriptures according to the flesh.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They were workers of iniquity,and those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity.They believed that they could not abstain from sin,and thought sin did not affect their relationship with God.They did not do the will of the Father,and sin separates us from God.
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(money): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
They believe the prosperity Gospel that God blesses with money,and material things.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
They love money and material things,and spending money on their wants,instead of their needs,and the needs of others.
Some interpret the scriptures according to the Spirit,for they hate sin,and love to be like Christ,and some interpret scriptures according to the flesh,for they love some things of the flesh,to enjoy money,and material things,to love things in the world.
Those led of the Spirit might sin,but they get rid of the sin,and keep going in the Spirit.
Those not led of the Spirit will hold unto sin thinking they are alright.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
There are many people that say we have to abstain from sin,that claim Jesus as Lord,and there are many people that believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,that claim Jesus as Lord.
Many people claim Jesus as Lord,and many are called,but few are chosen.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
You will know them by how they conduct their lifestyle,and how they act like Christ.
If they are saying I am right with God,with not a Christlike lifestyle,then you know they are not telling the truth.
People that love worldliness,prosperity Gospel,fleshy lusts,are not displaying a Christlike lifestyle.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
They will be tempted,but will not sin.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
For they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.They are led of the Spirit,show the ways of the Spirit,and not the ways of the flesh,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.They do not want sin,and hate sin.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
The crown of life is given to all who love the Lord,and is not a reward to some and not to others,but is eternal life,for it is given to all the saints who love Jesus,and it is given to those who endure temptation,and do not play upon it,and beat it,and do not sin.
James says,do not err.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Whoever abides in Christ does not sin,and this is how the children of God,and the children of the devil,are separated.Those that do not do righteousness is not of God.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
And some interpret the scriptures according to the flesh.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They were workers of iniquity,and those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity.They believed that they could not abstain from sin,and thought sin did not affect their relationship with God.They did not do the will of the Father,and sin separates us from God.
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(money): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
They believe the prosperity Gospel that God blesses with money,and material things.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
They love money and material things,and spending money on their wants,instead of their needs,and the needs of others.
Some interpret the scriptures according to the Spirit,for they hate sin,and love to be like Christ,and some interpret scriptures according to the flesh,for they love some things of the flesh,to enjoy money,and material things,to love things in the world.
Those led of the Spirit might sin,but they get rid of the sin,and keep going in the Spirit.
Those not led of the Spirit will hold unto sin thinking they are alright.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
There are many people that say we have to abstain from sin,that claim Jesus as Lord,and there are many people that believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,that claim Jesus as Lord.
Many people claim Jesus as Lord,and many are called,but few are chosen.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
You will know them by how they conduct their lifestyle,and how they act like Christ.
If they are saying I am right with God,with not a Christlike lifestyle,then you know they are not telling the truth.
People that love worldliness,prosperity Gospel,fleshy lusts,are not displaying a Christlike lifestyle.
M
I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.
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Satan is such a bad liar
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Satan is such a bad liar
The "Names of the days of the week & Months" exemplify our collective pagan origins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week
Origin Of Month And Day Names - In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database : In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database
What is sin? Where does it really come from?
What is the etymology of the word "sin"?
It is no surprise that the word "sin" has pagan roots too.
Sin (mythology) - New World Encyclopedia
https://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/origsin.htm
Since I don't worship the Moon, the literal application of the word sin does not apply here.
I am not mooning, thus I am not sinning.
Like Garfield, I don't like Monday (moon-day).
The premise of "Adam & Eve's original sin" being passed down, or the dogma (unquestionable belief) of inherited sin is weak.
So in brief ... God creates a paradise where temptation is abound, but don't bite the forbidden fruit,
[Bite the apple; iTunes] for now indeed the knowledge or rather the distinction between good & evil is now defined by the act.
How about Moses "Ten Commandments" [Old Testament]?
Plagiarism of the Babylonian "Hammurabi Code" (1754 BC) is evidenced here:
https://www.gci.org/bible/torah/steal10
The code regulated commerce including slavery. Do these standards apply today?
Law Code of Hammurabi
So what is the definition of laW, if law (written WORDS by those that claim AUTHORity) and
loRe (basis of stories/myths/oRal) are transient and subject to CULTure?
Do we still condone the commerce of human slavery?
In the context of law breaking is the equivalent to sinning, then today's commercial law/ Maritime law,
I am sinning when I incur a traffic - speeding fine, yet do no damage to man (Common Law),
and pay a fine to a fictional Corporate government.
If law is questionable and subject to the times, then I maintain the belief of the inherited original sin is
not compatible with the current time, since we each are accountable and SENTENCED by our own actions
& WORDS in whatever jurisDICTION we apply/claim.
I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.
Can you believe these teachers?
No.
Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.
Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.
I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.
I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.
Satan is such a bad liar
Can you believe these teachers?
No.
Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.
Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.
I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.
I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.
Satan is such a bad liar
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
Except for the Law was given before Moses was ever born...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 7:1-2, "Then YHWH said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”[/FONT]
The children of Israel were in captivity and had forgotten all things of Yah through their generaations, even His name...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 7:1-2, "Then YHWH said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”[/FONT]
The children of Israel were in captivity and had forgotten all things of Yah through their generaations, even His name...
I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.
Satan is such a bad liar
Satan is such a bad liar
When stating that sin is wrong.
Proverbs 6:23, “For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And reproofs of discipline a way of life.”
Psalm 119:97-104, "O how we love Your Law! It is our meditation all the day. Your Laws make us wiser than our enemies, because they are our possession at all times. We have more understanding than all our teachers, because Your testimonies are our meditation. We understand more than the ancients, because we keep Your precepts. We have restrained our feet from the path of every evil way, in order that we may keep Your Law. We have not turned away from Your judgments, for You Yourself have taught us. How sweet are Your Laws to our taste; sweeter than honey to our mouths! From Your precepts we get understanding! Therefore, we hate every path of falsehood;"
Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
M
If you are referencing [Old Testament] after the deluge, "Seven Laws of Noah" also referred as the Hebrew "Noahide Laws",
then are you recognising the validity of the Jewish Talmud, Torah Code of Ur-Nammu?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
Do you live by & apply the above Old Testament laws today?
For example, do you agree with the 4 types of capital punishment?
Stoning, burning, decapitation & strangulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism
How you do reconcile the above Jewish laws with [New Testament] Jesus' superseded message
of forgiveness of tresspasses/ sins
and
Romans 8:2 King James Version (KJV)
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Like I said in my previous post, I maintain that law is subject to the CULTure and times.
Note, I do not live in ancient Babylonia/ Mesopotamia -that is modern day Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, SE Turkey, Iran.
Their traditions, beliefs, CULTure are not mine, and thus their lores (oral traditions/beliefs) are foreign to me.
The Talmud is not of Yah, it is man made and a vile vile book. You can not paste it over what Yah says. I do not believe law is subjest to culture and times, He is eternal, knows the end from the beginning and He changes not.
the law of sin and death is just that, sin, transgression of the Law of Yah...
Romans 7 -7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 7 -16 And if I did what I did not want to do, I agreed that the Law is righteous.
17 As it was, it was no longer I myself who did it, but it was sin living in me.
22 For I delight in the Law of YHWH according to the inward man;
23 But I saw another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my mind, and bringing me into captivity of the law of sin, which is in my members.
25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.
"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverance from a mind that wants to do those things?
Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
the law of sin and death is just that, sin, transgression of the Law of Yah...
Romans 7 -7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 7 -16 And if I did what I did not want to do, I agreed that the Law is righteous.
17 As it was, it was no longer I myself who did it, but it was sin living in me.
22 For I delight in the Law of YHWH according to the inward man;
23 But I saw another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my mind, and bringing me into captivity of the law of sin, which is in my members.
25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.
"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverance from a mind that wants to do those things?
Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
M
What laws are you referring to that you claim is eternal?
Is it post flood laws? What are they?
What about the premise of the inherited orginal sin?
If we accept this type of rational, then we all inherit our ancestors, parents $debts and punishment.
The laws in our applicable jurisDICTION, do they follow this rational in the court of law?
Then does one really accept this type of reasoning?
Note, consistency in the application of reasoning is the basis of law (precedent).
Since we are dealing with the subject of laW (written words), then definitions matter.
The etymology of the word "sin" reveals our pagan roots.
Since I do not re-liege to a Moon deity, then I have not sinned.
Discussion can be meaningful.
Quoting bible verses is easy, and though can be used to fill pages, and as dismissive responses,
it seldom addresses the subject.
Relevance is key. Application to life recognises value & also agreement.
Is it post flood laws? What are they?
What about the premise of the inherited orginal sin?
If we accept this type of rational, then we all inherit our ancestors, parents $debts and punishment.
The laws in our applicable jurisDICTION, do they follow this rational in the court of law?
Then does one really accept this type of reasoning?
Note, consistency in the application of reasoning is the basis of law (precedent).
Since we are dealing with the subject of laW (written words), then definitions matter.
The etymology of the word "sin" reveals our pagan roots.
Since I do not re-liege to a Moon deity, then I have not sinned.
Discussion can be meaningful.
Quoting bible verses is easy, and though can be used to fill pages, and as dismissive responses,
it seldom addresses the subject.
Relevance is key. Application to life recognises value & also agreement.
All that anti-sin rhetoric and then the antithesis of it?
Better make up your mind about whether or not you are walking in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
It is God's righteousness, since the old man was crucified with Christ...along with the affections and lusts.
It is God in us who does the work.
If "you" are doing wickedly, you can be assured there is no Spirit of God in you.
Is this "the other you" talking now?
I don't want to be flippant here, but you sound like you are of the "church of the split personality".
Why not avail yourself of the gift of repentance and live without sin till your vessel is called home?
I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.
Can you believe these teachers?
No.
Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.
Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.
I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.
I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.
Satan is such a bad liar
Can you believe these teachers?
No.
Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.
Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.
I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.
I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.
Satan is such a bad liar
Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). Through God's Law (10 commandments) we have a knowledge of sin and righteousness (James 2:11; Romans 3:30; Romans 7:7). If we break any of God's Law we stand guilty before God of committing sin. If we are in unrepentant known sin we are in danger of the judgement and the penalty of sin (Romans 6:23; 2Cor 5:10; 1Pet 4:17). If we break one of the 10 we are told that we are guilty of breaking all of God's commandments (James 2:8-12) The 4th commandment it one of the 10 (Exodus 20:8-11) that has been changed by the Mother of all Church's to Sunday which is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks God's commandments. There is no scripture in God's Word that says the 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Jesus tells us that if we are knowingly following the traditions and teachings of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9).
Who should we follow God or man?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now commands all men everywhere to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Are you ready to meet your maker?
The beam in the eyes block the eyes from seeing clearly the splinters in others.....
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LOL...you are such a heretic..........( that was funny...loved it..thanks for the laugh ) -
I also love your tag line - so true. The son of the flesh of self-effort and human will-power will always persecute the son born free and of faith.
LOLOLOLOL thanks Freedom will always rise up anger in those that are not free. The accusations will come from anyone who walks under a yolk of being condemned by their own past, they dont know what it is to walk in freedom.Lies will come if they cant find anything to accuse with. I will pray for them.Thanks for the sermon on the "trees". It took me a while to atune to his South African accent but I love how he too saw it very black and white, especially when he describes how we either look to the water/river or to ourselves. I have found I cant do both so keep my eyes on the living water. What He says about me is far beyond anything I could say of myself or what others say about me. Ive never known a love like it. Thanks for sharing that sermon. Very deep, lots of layers, lots of steak to chew on! I know when I looked at Abraham's life he just loved God and did whatever the Lord asked. He wasn't perfect like all of us but he didnt walk under that yolk of condemnation as the Law had not yet been given to point out his sin. He just loved God. The greatest commands Jesus gave was to Love God with all your heart and love others as yourself. It cannot get much much simpler than that and its by that Love will the world know we are His disciples.
.....( that was funny...loved it..thanks for the laugh ) - I also love your tag line - so true. The son of the flesh of self-effort and human will-power will always persecute the son born free and of faith.
LOLOLOLOL thanks
Freedom will always rise up anger in those that are not free. The accusations will come from anyone who walks under a yolk of being condemned by their own past, they dont know what it is to walk in freedom.Lies will come if they cant find anything to accuse with. I will pray for them.Thanks for the sermon on the "trees". It took me a while to atune to his South African accent but I love how he too saw it very black and white, especially when he describes how we either look to the water/river or to ourselves. I have found I cant do both so keep my eyes on the living water. What He says about me is far beyond anything I could say of myself or what others say about me. Ive never known a love like it. Thanks for sharing that sermon. Very deep, lots of layers, lots of steak to chew on! I know when I looked at Abraham's life he just loved God and did whatever the Lord asked. He wasn't perfect like all of us but he didnt walk under that yolk of condemnation as the Law had not yet been given to point out his sin. He just loved God. The greatest commands Jesus gave was to Love God with all your heart and love others as yourself. It cannot get much much simpler than that and its by that Love will the world know we are His disciples. I see this is a topic started in April but as I read., I like very much what TwoFeet says. And I'm sad and annoyed how sparks misrepresented what she said.
well I meant refute as she is not a Christian and is trying to provide 'proof' that it is not true
a dispute is what most of us do when we log on to this site
a dispute is what most of us do when we log on to this site
Non-believers often try to refute Scriptures, when they are simply disputing them because they do not accept them as authoritative, which to me is a different thing than the disputes we get into with other members, due to our varying understandings of Scripture Of course, many disputes devolve into something else entirely, which is quite disheartening