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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela53510 View Post
    What is our problem, Deliverances? You keep trying to blast holes in Christianity! Where there are none! Or put down well thought out articles, such as why we need the Bible only for salvation!
    Why do you think he is against Christianity?

    I would guess he is a roman catholic or an eastern Orthodox or just somebody who compares protestantism to other Christian branches which include traditions as the source of teaching.

    If he would be really against Christianity, he would not choose such specialized topic to open, I think.
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    Default Re: Why are the Words "Sola Scriptura" Not Found

    Why do you care? What does it matter? What is your point for creating this Thread?
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    Default Re: Why are the Words "Sola Scriptura" Not Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    In any of the Creeds of the early Church and the Holy Bible?
    Maybe because the Lord is alive and well and speaking to each one of us today.

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    2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    Men do not find fault with the bible because it is lacking specific information. They find fault because they reject the specific information in provides. Namely that men are sinners and the only forgiveness for sin is found in Christ Jesus.

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    Default Re: Why are the Words "Sola Scriptura" Not Found

    One might claim that "sola fide" is not found in Scripture, but there are many verses which mention ONLY FAITH in regards to salvation, so the question is, if something besides faith is required, why isn't it mentioned?

    Same for Scripture:

    II Tim 3 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.

    Before someone mentions James, James was talking about the KIND of faith that saves..one which produces good works. He isn't claiming that faith plus works saves. The KIND of faith that saves is accompanied by good works.

    The five Solas stand on solid ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    In any of the Creeds of the early Church and the Holy Bible?
    Are you saying the apostles teachings are in error
    Are you saying they were NOT taught by GOD
    Are you saying that we need to listen to the teachings of men suggesting more than what was said and taught by HIS SPIRIT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    You forgot about this verse. Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
    So?

    Do you agree with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    Why are the words Sola Scriptura not found in any of the Creeds of the early Church and the Holy Bible?
    Because they were invented later to summarise the doctrine taught in Scripture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    That is the problem; "Sola Scripture" doesn't exist. Even the historical creeds of the early Churches never referred to the concept of "Sola Scriptura".
    Yeah, I know. https://www.theopedia.com/five-solas

    Then again, in the very beginning "trinity" wasn't part of a creed or in the Bible either. And yet, they worked that out that we easily accept it now. Are you disagreeing with either? I can see disagreeing with Sola Scriptura, but only when you don't understand the history and how it fits in with the other solas. But, then again, I don't even know if you're disagreeing yet.
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    Default Re: Why are the Words "Sola Scriptura" Not Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    The early texts' must have known what they were teaching.
    Of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    The early texts' must have known what they were teaching.
    Of course

    Because THE SPIRIT had not yet been given
    that is why the prophets did not fully understand all that they prophecied when the SPIRIT of CHRIST pointed to the sufferings and the glory that would come to us in by and through CHRIST

    Because it's only IN CHRIST that the veil is removed and we can see and understand what csn only be seen and understood by THE SPIRIT who leads us to ALL TRUTH


    The early "texts" knew what was being taught
    because it wasn't until CHRIST entered into HIS GLORY (the glory which HE had with THE FATHER before the world ever was) that THE SPIRIT of TRUTH would be poured out upon those who believe in THE TRUTH of THE GOSPEL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattforJesus View Post
    We know God says His word is truth,and there is no other,and all scripture is given by the Spirit,so if it does not state those exact words,sola scripture in the Bible,what does that mean,and people know what they are saying concerning it.Depend on scriptures alone,and not tradition,and God says all scripture is God breathed,and profitable.

    It is like people that say,the Bible does not say rapture,but they know what they mean,resurrection,and if they say rapture that throws it off as if it is not true.

    People may use different words,but have the same meaning as another wording in the Bible,and then they say you are speaking falsehood,when they know what they mean.

    The Bible said,do not rob.Oh you must be telling a lie,for it says do not steal.
    Kind of there, but not quite accurate. (You got it mostly right. I'm going to nitpick on the not-accurate part.) Rapture is in the Bible. It's from the Latin word "caught up," rapturo. It's in the Bible. The modern version of what it means isn't in the Bible.

    Fun thing to do. Do a word study on "caught up" and see what it means in context. (It really does mean "caught up," but look who is being caught up and when.) It won't take long. It's a NT word that shows up only four times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laish View Post
    Ok here is a small article about Sola Scriptura from John MacArthur it's brief but it gets to the point.

    The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiency of Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture. It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture. The most ardent defender of sola Scriptura will concede, for example, that Scripture has little or nothing to say about DNA structures, microbiology, the rules of Chinese grammar, or rocket science. This or that “scientific truth,” for example, may or may not be actually true, whether or not it can be supported by Scripture—but Scripture is a “more sure Word,” standing above all other truth in its authority and certainty. It is “more sure,” according to the apostle Peter, than the data we gather firsthand through our senses (2 Peter 1:19). Therefore, Scripture is the highest and supreme authority on any matter on which it speaks.
    But there are many important questions on which Scripture is silent. Sola Scriptura makes no claim to the contrary. Nor does sola Scriptura claim that everything Jesus or the apostles ever taught is preserved in Scripture. It only means that everything necessary, everything binding on our consciences, and everything God requires of us is given to us in Scripture (2 Peter 1:3).
    Furthermore, we are forbidden to add to or take away from Scripture (cf. Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Rev. 22:18-19). To add to it is to lay on people a burden that God Himself does not intend for them to bear (cf. Matt. 23:4).
    Scripture is therefore the perfect and only standard of spiritual truth, revealing infallibly all that we must believe in order to be saved and all that we must do in order to glorify God. That—no more, no less—is what sola Scriptura means.
    “The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” —Westminster Confession of Faith


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    That's just annoying. Even John MacArthur can do brief? Yeesh!
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    It is to be quite short-sighted to believe there has to be an exact verse to answer a question/prove a truth that is a direct result of deducing doctrine (in this case the sufficiency of Scripture/Sola Scripture) from the Scriptures.

    For another example, we have the doctrine of the Trinity, deduced from Scripture.
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    Another typo.

    The early "texts" knew what was being taught BUT it wasn't until THE SPIRIT was poured out that we could understand what can only be understood by HIS SPIRIT

    What was written down in the NEW TESTAMENT was written by men led and inspired by THE HOLY SPIRIT

    THE (written) WORD OF GOD does not contradict THE VOICE/ SPIRIT/LIVING WORD of GOD

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    Default Re: Why are the Words "Sola Scriptura" Not Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Deliverances View Post
    You forgot about this verse. Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
    Yeah, first century Christians. What traditions did they hold? The Messiah had just come and gone, so they weren't into taking off and reinventing something new yet. The tradition was, literally, what we call the Old Testament and all things Jesus.

    Nothing about "was Jesus a ghost or a real man?" (And that question almost consumed the early church a mere decades after this letter was written. Some folks really went off and decided Jesus wasn't human. He was a ghost -- the Gnostic.) Nothing yet about if Jesus was wholey man, wholey God or somewhere in between. (Now we know he was both -- 100% God and 100% Man. That one almost became he's not even God, but some dude name Athanasius straightened that out a mere two centuries later.) Although trinity is proven to be Biblical, that debate hadn't even come up yet. (That storm would hit in the third century too.) Nothing about eating fish on Fridays, nor celebrating a day in December as Jesus' birthday, or celebrating Easter, or Good Friday, or any of the other traditions that have popped up.

    That's the thing -- people get stuck on traditions that aren't particularly Biblical and then claim the tradition is from God. THAT is what the reformers were fighting. By the time we get into the the second millennium, a church is telling people they have to give their money to them -- all of it. They have to pay money for every sin they commit, or they're going to hell. And what did that church do with that money collected? They had orgies in Rome! That is NOT Biblical. So Five Solas showed up as a battle cry!

    If it's not Biblical, you can't just go off and say, "God told me."

    Raspberries -- not Biblical, so no one can tell me if they are bad or good. (My mouth knows. GOOD! lol)
    Dunking my fingers in water and making the sign of the cross -- not Biblical, so no one can tell me it's bad or good.
    Full immersion or dipping for baptism -- not in the Bible so no one can tell me which is bad and which is good.

    It matters! It really does, because we have 2000 years of made up traditions so people can benefit, not God.

    The standard of where we're allowed to decree what we say with our mouth if it comes from God or simply comes from our mouths? Sola Scriptura! It's a standard, not Bible. It points to God. It points to his words, so, yeah. It is good!

    Now! Once again, I have to put away my soap box! I should just leave it out, right? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by miknik5 View Post
    Another typo.

    The early "texts" knew what was being taught BUT it wasn't until THE SPIRIT was poured out that we could understand what can only be understood by HIS SPIRIT

    What was written down in the NEW TESTAMENT was written by men led and inspired by THE HOLY SPIRIT

    THE (written) WORD OF GOD does not contradict THE VOICE/ SPIRIT/LIVING WORD of GOD
    I didn't notice your typos, but did notice you started writing something and posted way before you were done. I'm guessing here, but you're on a smart phone or small tablet, right? (I'm still 20th century, so don't get this modern technology at all. I do keep noticing how often folks hit "send" before they're finished though. lol)

    This is purely curiosity. I watch my younger sibling tapping left and right with their thumbs (and now they're using more fingers and yet, can do it while holding the device up!
    ) with rapid intent and keep thinking, "How do they even see what they're doing?" I'm the kind who needs two pairs of glasses -- bifocals AND computer glasses. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    I didn't notice your typos, but did notice you started writing something and posted way before you were done. I'm guessing here, but you're on a smart phone or small tablet, right? (I'm still 20th century, so don't get this modern technology at all. I do keep noticing how often folks hit "send" before they're finished though. lol)

    This is purely curiosity. I watch my younger sibling tapping left and right with their thumbs (and now they're using more fingers and yet, can do it while holding the device up!
    ) with rapid intent and keep thinking, "How do they even see what they're doing?" I'm the kind who needs two pairs of glasses -- bifocals AND computer glasses. lol
    LOL! I'm 52 and must be ADHD!
    Alas, I can type faster than "auto correct" can keep up!

    im not sure that is something to be proud of!!

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    And I'm pressed for time because this website only allows 5 minutes timeframe to make changes

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    Actually, of the ADHD condition, only the HD applies

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