Pharisees and arrogance
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p4t - you are saying I am a troll, I am falsely accusing people, I am working for the enemy.
This is a heavy list to bring to me and put at my door.
Please tell me what I have got it wrong or lied?
I have not said any one person has held these opinions though I have experienced these
words spoken.
If you cannot put a opposite proposition, and shown me I am wrong, then you have to
accept I am right.
Now this must be hard for you, because something in these words challenges you to your
core, else you would not be responding as you are.
Now your shield is your faith. Your armour is your righteousness. Your helmet is your salvation.
Have I cut through this all and you are mortally wounded. Only God can do this, my friend,
so seek His face and repent and He will forgive you.
This is a heavy list to bring to me and put at my door.
Please tell me what I have got it wrong or lied?
I have not said any one person has held these opinions though I have experienced these
words spoken.
If you cannot put a opposite proposition, and shown me I am wrong, then you have to
accept I am right.
Now this must be hard for you, because something in these words challenges you to your
core, else you would not be responding as you are.
Now your shield is your faith. Your armour is your righteousness. Your helmet is your salvation.
Have I cut through this all and you are mortally wounded. Only God can do this, my friend,
so seek His face and repent and He will forgive you.
I have not called you demonic or satanic, a lover of sinning.
Some of the group certainly have.
Delusional and someone who hates those who want to walk righteously I have said.
I do not call people satanic or demonic because I do not know of such things and
never want to get into this insane spiritualisation of beliefs and convictions.
But I know this does not mean anything to you in reality, knowing the animosity you
hold me in, lol. At least I never called you a gracey greaser lol.
The funny thing is I have not raised the issue of name calling or of all out personal
warfare but it appears you are showing your true colours here, thankyou.
God bless you.
ps you chose to come here and put you personal attacks and not address the
points I am making which means you are doing exactly what Christ predicted.
Some of the group certainly have.
Delusional and someone who hates those who want to walk righteously I have said.
I do not call people satanic or demonic because I do not know of such things and
never want to get into this insane spiritualisation of beliefs and convictions.
But I know this does not mean anything to you in reality, knowing the animosity you
hold me in, lol. At least I never called you a gracey greaser lol.
The funny thing is I have not raised the issue of name calling or of all out personal
warfare but it appears you are showing your true colours here, thankyou.
God bless you.
ps you chose to come here and put you personal attacks and not address the
points I am making which means you are doing exactly what Christ predicted.
As a simple point, why did g7 and dc come here?
To slag me off and bring a list of accusations against me? Yes.
But who are they defending? And why are they defending anyone?
Of the list I have mentioned is there anything worthy of defence or
is it all true?
If it is all true, then the sentence has been passed, the accused found guilty
and they are hereby rejected.
And boy would this make them mad, to bring light to the sin, slander, failure that
is passed off as the work of God.
To slag me off and bring a list of accusations against me? Yes.
But who are they defending? And why are they defending anyone?
Of the list I have mentioned is there anything worthy of defence or
is it all true?
If it is all true, then the sentence has been passed, the accused found guilty
and they are hereby rejected.
And boy would this make them mad, to bring light to the sin, slander, failure that
is passed off as the work of God.
Let me be frank with you dear reader.
Read the op.
Show me I am wrong. I have read it and still there is nothing I can fault.
So why is anyone disagreeing?
If you cannot disagree but it hurts you, humble yourself before the King and seek
His ways.
Now I know there are different spiritual experiences here, but this is not childs games
or something minor. This is life and death, heaven and hell, the enemy and the Holy Spirit.
Now those most vehemently opposed have turned up, but with no answer.
So it is in your court to put your confidence in Christ and the cross and walking in righteousness
or faith and grace, with some vague ideas about what forgiveness is.
Read the op.
Show me I am wrong. I have read it and still there is nothing I can fault.
So why is anyone disagreeing?
If you cannot disagree but it hurts you, humble yourself before the King and seek
His ways.
Now I know there are different spiritual experiences here, but this is not childs games
or something minor. This is life and death, heaven and hell, the enemy and the Holy Spirit.
Now those most vehemently opposed have turned up, but with no answer.
So it is in your court to put your confidence in Christ and the cross and walking in righteousness
or faith and grace, with some vague ideas about what forgiveness is.
dc - you do make me laugh. 
I have always be surprised by you full out attacks, but at least you are
happy in your approach. Wonder what will happen to you when God
turns the tables in your life.
I have always be surprised by you full out attacks, but at least you are
happy in your approach. Wonder what will happen to you when God
turns the tables in your life.
dc - you show your insanity. You are putting a label on something, a name and saying
this is the root evil. You then are associating the points with the label.
You then are saying when I show what you are doing, it is so deceptive. crazy, literally
this is the root evil. You then are associating the points with the label.
You then are saying when I show what you are doing, it is so deceptive. crazy, literally
Here, try again and read it this time.....it points to the evil they had in them that was coming out in the list a-f amongst other such activities....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
a. Thanking God they were not like the sinners around them.......
b. Pushing self righteousness......
c. Pushing a works based salvation......
d. Self serving public prayers.....
e. Appearing to be righteous outwardly....
f. Having a little truth blended in with their error so as to appear righteous
YEP.....he has all the above! Some of his cohorts do as well........this thread should be....A Pharisee Accuses Others of Being A Pharisee.............
No...Unfortunately, you do not understand English very well....the Pharisees had specific sins that they portrayed and I labeled most of them which you reject....I never applied this to any Christian denomination as that was your embellishment....regardless....ALL who exhibit these traits are doing and saying things that are comparable to what the Pharisees were doing.....so.......you know....numerous people have seen these traits in you by the things you say, post and your very attitude and approach to the word.....like the ole saying....if the boot fits!
How lost is a believer?
a) ignores Jesus's words and intent - not interested in Christ as Lord and Saviour
b) boasts in their sin - is in open rebellion against Christ
c) condemns people who walk righteously - takes on satans walk
d) believes God will give them their worldly dreams - desires the worlds ways
e) ignores their heart and emotions - rejects that sin comes from the heart
f) is arrogant and lying to those who oppose them - has no limits or respect
g) does not know the cross and sorrow at its foot - does not understand repentance
h) redefines all the meanings of core Christian words - wants a new faith
I) is fine abusing others and trying to break them - dedicated at attacking believers
j) believes no one can fall from grace but the enemy never knew Him - arrogance of salvation
k) nothing emotional touches them, or they can relate to - a hard heart without any insight
l) everything stays the same, or gets worse - a testimony to a fallen state
Now the above is a simple description of what some have demonstrated in their lives or worse.
If this is what Christ intended through the cross He would never have come.
I think the rot is so deep some feel to expose the truth will just mean the church is empty,
but they are just unbelievers who do not know Christ or who He is.
Faith is about having life and love in your heart and following Christ in a righteous loving
walk.
Those who do not believe this either have never come to Christ or have never been
discipled.
It is little wonder the church is not in revival if this is the state of the members of
churches and this is the most enthusiastic bunch that can be dredged up.
Bow before the King in repentance and grief that so few know what it means to follow
Him. In the past God has taken away the candle stick from such as these.
a) ignores Jesus's words and intent - not interested in Christ as Lord and Saviour
b) boasts in their sin - is in open rebellion against Christ
c) condemns people who walk righteously - takes on satans walk
d) believes God will give them their worldly dreams - desires the worlds ways
e) ignores their heart and emotions - rejects that sin comes from the heart
f) is arrogant and lying to those who oppose them - has no limits or respect
g) does not know the cross and sorrow at its foot - does not understand repentance
h) redefines all the meanings of core Christian words - wants a new faith
I) is fine abusing others and trying to break them - dedicated at attacking believers
j) believes no one can fall from grace but the enemy never knew Him - arrogance of salvation
k) nothing emotional touches them, or they can relate to - a hard heart without any insight
l) everything stays the same, or gets worse - a testimony to a fallen state
Now the above is a simple description of what some have demonstrated in their lives or worse.
If this is what Christ intended through the cross He would never have come.
I think the rot is so deep some feel to expose the truth will just mean the church is empty,
but they are just unbelievers who do not know Christ or who He is.
Faith is about having life and love in your heart and following Christ in a righteous loving
walk.
Those who do not believe this either have never come to Christ or have never been
discipled.
It is little wonder the church is not in revival if this is the state of the members of
churches and this is the most enthusiastic bunch that can be dredged up.
Bow before the King in repentance and grief that so few know what it means to follow
Him. In the past God has taken away the candle stick from such as these.
Peter, just one simple question. Please do not answer it with a rant about how wrong everyone else is, or how anyone else should answer it. The Sermon on the Mount is the words of Christ. In it he tells us what the Christian Life should be and how we should live it. It is one of the most read, and is most misunderstood passages in the entire Bible. Throughout the entire sermon one thing become evident. Man cannot become a Christian through his own effort.
According to this sermon, how does man become a Christian?
According to this sermon, how does man become a Christian?
The Pharisees were arrogant. And they fell, as the bible says pride goeth before a fall.
Jesus' unique, authoritative claims and teachings, all which whose truth was confirmed by the prophets and the miracles of Jesus, were unable to pierce through the Pharisees lust for power and prestige, out of envy they delivered Him up.
Though Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, the Pharisees only sought all the more to kill Jesus. He had said as much, if they don't believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe one who was raised from the dead. And may I point out, neither will they believe one who raised the dead and who Himself was raised from the dead!
Pharisees were arrogant. But not all. Paul the apostle was a Pharisee. He loved God. Of all the Pharisees, Paul was the one chosen by God. Why?
Paul can be described as a sincere individual who operated in ignorance. Sincere? God chose Paul, the resurrected Lord appeared to Paul, and Paul believed. Ignorant? Ignorant concerning Jesus. Paul sincerely believed Jesus was a blasphemer.
Cannot we not all ask...Where am I in all this?
Am I as a Pharisee who sees, knows the truth, but refuses to acknowledge my error in any belief and accept the truth?
Am I as Paul before He obeyed the gospel? Zealous toward God, but ignorant?
How shall we know? Examine self, the heart.
Study the scriptures - Moses and the Prophets - they give the prophecies of the Messiah.
Open eyes, ears, mind. And read the record of Jesus' life. Compare what the gospels affirm of Him to the messianic prophecies of the OT prophets.
And test the resurrection record in the gospels. Look at the claim: Jesus' tomb was empty on the third day.
Ask: Was Jesus really dead after His crucifixion?!
Ask: Who would dare to attempt to steal His body from a Roman sealed and guarded tomb?
Ask: How many witnesses were there of the (supposed) risen Jesus? One, two, three? More than 400?
Take the case to court! Put it on trial.
Then comes the real test.
Will you believe? Or is your heart Pharisaical? Or humble as Paul's?
Jesus' unique, authoritative claims and teachings, all which whose truth was confirmed by the prophets and the miracles of Jesus, were unable to pierce through the Pharisees lust for power and prestige, out of envy they delivered Him up.
Though Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, the Pharisees only sought all the more to kill Jesus. He had said as much, if they don't believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe one who was raised from the dead. And may I point out, neither will they believe one who raised the dead and who Himself was raised from the dead!
Pharisees were arrogant. But not all. Paul the apostle was a Pharisee. He loved God. Of all the Pharisees, Paul was the one chosen by God. Why?
Paul can be described as a sincere individual who operated in ignorance. Sincere? God chose Paul, the resurrected Lord appeared to Paul, and Paul believed. Ignorant? Ignorant concerning Jesus. Paul sincerely believed Jesus was a blasphemer.
Cannot we not all ask...Where am I in all this?
Am I as a Pharisee who sees, knows the truth, but refuses to acknowledge my error in any belief and accept the truth?
Am I as Paul before He obeyed the gospel? Zealous toward God, but ignorant?
How shall we know? Examine self, the heart.
Study the scriptures - Moses and the Prophets - they give the prophecies of the Messiah.
Open eyes, ears, mind. And read the record of Jesus' life. Compare what the gospels affirm of Him to the messianic prophecies of the OT prophets.
And test the resurrection record in the gospels. Look at the claim: Jesus' tomb was empty on the third day.
Ask: Was Jesus really dead after His crucifixion?!
Ask: Who would dare to attempt to steal His body from a Roman sealed and guarded tomb?
Ask: How many witnesses were there of the (supposed) risen Jesus? One, two, three? More than 400?
Take the case to court! Put it on trial.
Then comes the real test.
Will you believe? Or is your heart Pharisaical? Or humble as Paul's?
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Well my friend, the sermon on the mount is about knowing God, and what you
do in discipleship. It is not about how you come to have faith in Jesus.
Your question is like asking someone who has an instruction manual about how
to drive a car, and you ask where does it say how you get into the car?
Not sure about the rant comment. lol.
And Jesus preached "Repent, the kingdom of God is near."
Matt 3:2
"Produce fruit in keeping with repentance."
Matt 3:8
So you come to God through repentance.
Before the cross we gained forgiveness of sins through the temple, but
now it is through the cross.
do in discipleship. It is not about how you come to have faith in Jesus.
Your question is like asking someone who has an instruction manual about how
to drive a car, and you ask where does it say how you get into the car?
Not sure about the rant comment. lol.
And Jesus preached "Repent, the kingdom of God is near."
Matt 3:2
"Produce fruit in keeping with repentance."
Matt 3:8
So you come to God through repentance.
Before the cross we gained forgiveness of sins through the temple, but
now it is through the cross.
