Pharisees and arrogance
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Amen. Some years ago this got me thinking. Why does Jesus link himself to the bronze snake
lifted up in the desert? Because when the people looked at it they were healed.
So to picture Christ in our minds, to know Him dying on the cross heals us of the sin we commit,
like the snake bite got healed in the Israelites.
Having Christs love in our hearts, empowers us to walk and obey the sermon on the mount.
Knowing God loves us, changes us inside, brings comfort. The bitterness and revenge desires
pass away.
lifted up in the desert? Because when the people looked at it they were healed.
So to picture Christ in our minds, to know Him dying on the cross heals us of the sin we commit,
like the snake bite got healed in the Israelites.
Having Christs love in our hearts, empowers us to walk and obey the sermon on the mount.
Knowing God loves us, changes us inside, brings comfort. The bitterness and revenge desires
pass away.
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not a believer. Do you stand as an accuser of someone in this forum?
straw man, no one believes this and I am tired of you accusing people of doing so.
okay we do have that in the prosperity false gospel, but not that many post in support of that doctrine...
some of our emotions need to be nailed to the cross: envy, anger, bitterness, etc.
God gives us New clean hearts
yeah..,you know you might not want to throw stones in a glass house...
not a believer
well have you ever learned another language? Sometimes the meaning takes a while to explain.
wolf tactics
accusation wrapped in false doctrine....
so a robot, not human?
sounds like a curse of not knowing God
so you have judged them as deceived folks who don't know Christ and you wonder why "they" don't like you much?
Want to call out "these people" for us? These folks that the enemy has sown among "us"?
You see there you are wrong. Saul was changed by an encounter with Jesus. Men say its imposssible, but with God anything is possible.
So have you recognized in the past when you might have been a Pharisee?
Jesus can be in the heart, but we must ask will we follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit or cling to our spiritual strongholds that out of pride, fear or stubbornness we reject the wisdom of God and seek out own solutions and our own wills instead of God's?
straw man, no one believes this and I am tired of you accusing people of doing so.
okay we do have that in the prosperity false gospel, but not that many post in support of that doctrine...
some of our emotions need to be nailed to the cross: envy, anger, bitterness, etc.
God gives us New clean hearts
yeah..,you know you might not want to throw stones in a glass house...
not a believer
well have you ever learned another language? Sometimes the meaning takes a while to explain.
wolf tactics
accusation wrapped in false doctrine....
so a robot, not human?
sounds like a curse of not knowing God
so you have judged them as deceived folks who don't know Christ and you wonder why "they" don't like you much?
Want to call out "these people" for us? These folks that the enemy has sown among "us"?
You see there you are wrong. Saul was changed by an encounter with Jesus. Men say its imposssible, but with God anything is possible.
So have you recognized in the past when you might have been a Pharisee?
Jesus can be in the heart, but we must ask will we follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit or cling to our spiritual strongholds that out of pride, fear or stubbornness we reject the wisdom of God and seek out own solutions and our own wills instead of God's?
Basically you agree with me, thank you.
Now if a false teacher repents and comes to faith, then amen.
But most false teachers I know revise their theology and carry right on as if nothing
has changed.
One small point, if I say "I sin everyday, here is an example" and repeats something they
could is they wanted to deal with, that is boasting.
It is not saying, to my shame I do x but I am working on it. That is confession of sin
and repentance. Some issues take time and have many influences.
Now if someone says they desire to walk righteously and say for periods they do,
a whole group will mock them, pour scorn on them, ridicule them.
And you say this is a false accusation. You are blind to the obvious.
Was I ever a pharisee? Well I have never been legalistic, rather the opposite.
And on the heart, there are many stone cold hard people who will not even look
at who they really are.
On the emotional not being touched by something, I tried the normal stirring issues
not even a flicker. But you obviously are quite a hard nut yourself
lol
Now if a false teacher repents and comes to faith, then amen.
But most false teachers I know revise their theology and carry right on as if nothing
has changed.
One small point, if I say "I sin everyday, here is an example" and repeats something they
could is they wanted to deal with, that is boasting.
It is not saying, to my shame I do x but I am working on it. That is confession of sin
and repentance. Some issues take time and have many influences.
Now if someone says they desire to walk righteously and say for periods they do,
a whole group will mock them, pour scorn on them, ridicule them.
And you say this is a false accusation. You are blind to the obvious.
Was I ever a pharisee? Well I have never been legalistic, rather the opposite.
And on the heart, there are many stone cold hard people who will not even look
at who they really are.
On the emotional not being touched by something, I tried the normal stirring issues
not even a flicker. But you obviously are quite a hard nut yourself
lol
A
And this post shows that it isn't about Jesus and his teachings...
No it makes the thread about Peter and his inability to forgive, yet still make accusations of others.
You reveal in your words that your motives was not to call people to examine our hearts because you have examined yours, but because you are hurt and demand everyone acknowledge your hurt and avenge you.
If people are saying that you are antiChrist, then they are wrong.
However, you are doing more than preaching God's word.
Your words have barbs and hidden accusations and insults in them. You don't see it because you justify your sin, you think what you say of others is true when some of it is blantantly lies and slander.
I was okay with your OP.
Your second post, rings false and is just asking for trouble.
You reveal in your words that your motives was not to call people to examine our hearts because you have examined yours, but because you are hurt and demand everyone acknowledge your hurt and avenge you.
If people are saying that you are antiChrist, then they are wrong.
However, you are doing more than preaching God's word.
Your words have barbs and hidden accusations and insults in them. You don't see it because you justify your sin, you think what you say of others is true when some of it is blantantly lies and slander.
I was okay with your OP.
Your second post, rings false and is just asking for trouble.
A
Basically you agree with me, thank you.
Now if a false teacher repents and comes to faith, then amen.
But most false teachers I know revise their theology and carry right on as if nothing
has changed.
One small point, if I say "I sin everyday, here is an example" and repeats something they
could is they wanted to deal with, that is boasting.
It is not saying, to my shame I do x but I am working on it. That is confession of sin
and repentance. Some issues take time and have many influences.
Now if someone says they desire to walk righteously and say for periods they do,
a whole group will mock them, pour scorn on them, ridicule them.
And you say this is a false accusation. You are blind to the obvious.
Was I ever a pharisee? Well I have never been legalistic, rather the opposite.
And on the heart, there are many stone cold hard people who will not even look
at who they really are.
On the emotional not being touched by something, I tried the normal stirring issues
not even a flicker. But you obviously are quite a hard nut yourself lol
Now if a false teacher repents and comes to faith, then amen.
But most false teachers I know revise their theology and carry right on as if nothing
has changed.
One small point, if I say "I sin everyday, here is an example" and repeats something they
could is they wanted to deal with, that is boasting.
It is not saying, to my shame I do x but I am working on it. That is confession of sin
and repentance. Some issues take time and have many influences.
Now if someone says they desire to walk righteously and say for periods they do,
a whole group will mock them, pour scorn on them, ridicule them.
And you say this is a false accusation. You are blind to the obvious.
Was I ever a pharisee? Well I have never been legalistic, rather the opposite.
And on the heart, there are many stone cold hard people who will not even look
at who they really are.
On the emotional not being touched by something, I tried the normal stirring issues
not even a flicker. But you obviously are quite a hard nut yourself
lol
Not that I think they should scorn or mock you or that they even are, but yes a few members like to scorn and mock, I had my fair share of being mocked and called names.
I forgive them and try and answer the question behind the barbs and not react to their taunts but respond as God has done when I ask Him the same type questions.
So what do you mean by the hard nut comment?
(SQUIRRREEELL!!!, for Lynn and my girls )
Ariel - you could interpret things this way if you want.
What made me create the list was because when I went through the points, I went, what.
It I had these points in a list I would have not conversed with people like this.
I am not hurt, and I do not need revenge. A sinner lost in sin is to be loved and shown
mercy and not revenge. For some reason you always appear to want to turn things around
as something I am using to justify myself. Is this your justification for your contributions
and being a blessing.
I specifically did not name people but a list of traits. It is up to people to respond and
identity the reality in their lives. It is obviously enough to trigger the usual suspects for
whatever reason, lol.
And you are accusing me of not forgiving. What am I not forgiving? People blind and lost
in sin? I will love them all day long.
What made me create the list was because when I went through the points, I went, what.
It I had these points in a list I would have not conversed with people like this.
I am not hurt, and I do not need revenge. A sinner lost in sin is to be loved and shown
mercy and not revenge. For some reason you always appear to want to turn things around
as something I am using to justify myself. Is this your justification for your contributions
and being a blessing.
I specifically did not name people but a list of traits. It is up to people to respond and
identity the reality in their lives. It is obviously enough to trigger the usual suspects for
whatever reason, lol.
And you are accusing me of not forgiving. What am I not forgiving? People blind and lost
in sin? I will love them all day long.
Ariel are you joking. I have the gospel message time and again, to the same people.
This is such a lame response, not worthy of you.
Walking with Christ is the gospel. Communion changes us. We have the foundation
of the cross and our sins forgiven through repentance and faith.
All this makes me wonder, are you always so pedantic and pointy. Am I not allowed
grace and love, and to just express my love of Christ and His ways, without having to
pass an exam? I know believers who find it hard to explain how they believe in 30 minutes,
and I still love them. Maybe you need to learn some of this grace as well, my sister.
This is such a lame response, not worthy of you.
Walking with Christ is the gospel. Communion changes us. We have the foundation
of the cross and our sins forgiven through repentance and faith.
All this makes me wonder, are you always so pedantic and pointy. Am I not allowed
grace and love, and to just express my love of Christ and His ways, without having to
pass an exam? I know believers who find it hard to explain how they believe in 30 minutes,
and I still love them. Maybe you need to learn some of this grace as well, my sister.
A
Let me clarify...
When people say the "gospel" most refer to what Jesus did on the cross for us. You tend to focus on how Jesus wants us to live after having accepted him.
They just want you to clearly state why it's important to accept what He did on the cross.
Anyway I could be testy and go off the deep end, cuz you called me a "tough nut" but that would be silly.,,sometimes I think folks aren't trying to offend you anymore than you would try and offend me or others.
I just posted to show you how your words need clarification. If you choose not to clarify and allow miscommunication to continue, it's your choice.
When people say the "gospel" most refer to what Jesus did on the cross for us. You tend to focus on how Jesus wants us to live after having accepted him.
They just want you to clearly state why it's important to accept what He did on the cross.
Anyway I could be testy and go off the deep end, cuz you called me a "tough nut" but that would be silly.,,sometimes I think folks aren't trying to offend you anymore than you would try and offend me or others.
I just posted to show you how your words need clarification. If you choose not to clarify and allow miscommunication to continue, it's your choice.
I agree, which is always encouraging.
Do you think everyone is nice?
Is that what you trying to tell me?
Sinners and active deception is not used or tactics to create division?
You need to read the profiles of psychopaths or sociopaths, to realise this is
how some are just made. One sign of people have tendencies like this is certain
responses they just blank out on. And once they have decided on something,
you are their target number one, come rain or shine. I worked for a guy like
this. He got fired in the end because he did this to too many people.
The important thing is never to take it personally, it is something they cannot
help and often are not aware of what they are doing. God bless you.
Do you think everyone is nice?
Is that what you trying to tell me?
Sinners and active deception is not used or tactics to create division?
You need to read the profiles of psychopaths or sociopaths, to realise this is
how some are just made. One sign of people have tendencies like this is certain
responses they just blank out on. And once they have decided on something,
you are their target number one, come rain or shine. I worked for a guy like
this. He got fired in the end because he did this to too many people.
The important thing is never to take it personally, it is something they cannot
help and often are not aware of what they are doing. God bless you.
Thanks for this. This is a vast array of issues we discuss and you know most of the
time we go off on tangents.
And most of the opposition have no interest in the points, just want antagonism.
So I mainly blank them. I have given up communicating properly because they have
gone way beyond that.
I get the feeling you want compromise at any price, even though your buddies
disagree at a very fundamental level, and the consequences are foundational.
I remember you saying you felt bad being called a legalist. It has not changed,
so why do you continue playing at attempt at a middle ground?
They have zero interest in playing along.
time we go off on tangents.
And most of the opposition have no interest in the points, just want antagonism.
So I mainly blank them. I have given up communicating properly because they have
gone way beyond that.
I get the feeling you want compromise at any price, even though your buddies
disagree at a very fundamental level, and the consequences are foundational.
I remember you saying you felt bad being called a legalist. It has not changed,
so why do you continue playing at attempt at a middle ground?
They have zero interest in playing along.