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Blain

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The millennium and the great tribulation as you know it are not found in the Bible. They are a myth based on a false interpretation of one or two passages.

Most Christians do NOT accept them
If most Christians do not accept them then perhaps that is all the more reason to accept them, we live in a time where love is waxed cold and where the average Christian is not known for love but rather is seen by many as liars hypocrites prideful and judgemental bible thumpers. The average Christian claims love and claims God's heart without even understanding what love is and having no insight into God's heart.

So perhaps it is not a good thing to follow the herd
 

valiant

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LOL.........No I mean it means what it means, not what people who are way out in left field says it means.
and who are you to say someone is in left field?


I have been a preacher for over 30 years, believe me, I guffaw at what I see in here at times. People do not need to back up anything they say, they just blurt it out.
good on you. I have been a trained preacher for sixty five years.

I mean all Revelation happened 2000 years ago,
well not quite accurate, but I agree much of it was abut John's time

The Abomination of Desolation happened before Jesus was born, even though Jesus warned us what to watch for when it comes.........
Those two statements are contradictory


.....Then those who say the AoD happened in AD 70,
Jesus said it for one. It was the Roman armies with their standards gathered against Jerusalem

when anyone who can read can see by looking at Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:14-22 and Rev. 12 that the Abomination can only be an end time event.
I guess Jesus got it wrong then. Only Matt 24 of the three mentions the A of D and Jesus placed it squarely within a generation of His passing. I used to believe Scofield when young but I sorted out his errors.

Yet they wll deny it until they are blue in the face. Its called PRIDE....They can't be wrong
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or maybe right understanding of the Bible.?

I have been proven wrong by God many times, because when He is willing to reveal this to me, my understanding goes out the door. Rev. 17:18, I wrote a blog, and stated that it was Rome......God 2 months later taps me on the Shoulder, hey Ron, you were wrong. Its Rome, NYC, Jerusalem, Mecca, the RCC, NYC, America its not even a City....wheres who it is. I don't mind being wrong at all. Some people can't hear God because they can't ever be wrong.
well you're wrong again :)
 

valiant

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If most Christians do not accept them then perhaps that is all the more reason to accept them, we live in a time where love is waxed cold and where the average Christian is not known for love but rather is seen by many as liars hypocrites prideful and judgemental bible thumpers. The average Christian claims love and claims God's heart without even understanding what love is and having no insight into God's heart.

So perhaps it is not a good thing to follow the herd
you follow the American herd LOL
 

jb

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Quite a bit of heat in this thread! lol

So, for a bit of a digression, did you all have a nice weekend?
 

Blain

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you follow the American herd LOL
Do not assume you know my heart, I follow no herd i only follow the shepherd. In all honesty and not boasting of myself but rather boasting of the work God has done in me I am strange even among other Christians abnormal and odd, I have been told my many I am a rare sort and there is a reason for that.

It's because of the love god has infused me it is because I refuse to be the average Christian who claims love teaches and preaches love yet the love of God is unknown to them. Only by following the shepherd and keeping our eyes on him can truly be brought into the plains where we can rest in peace next to the lion however sheep sometimes get distracted and chase after things that catch their attention and so the Shepherd will leave the rest of the flock to chase after that one sheep.
 
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Hi Blain, I pretty much agree with your post, I believe that the bible is written in such a way that those with a right heart condition will see the truth of God and those with a wrong heart condition will miss God. As strange as it seems, I believe that God made His word in such a way that people who are not totally for God will miss His message.
 
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I actually just started researching the subject of the rapture. Looking forward to learning more about the end times.
 

Blain

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Hi Blain, I pretty much agree with your post, I believe that the bible is written in such a way that those with a right heart condition will see the truth of God and those with a wrong heart condition will miss God. As strange as it seems, I believe that God made His word in such a way that people who are not totally for God will miss His message.
The thing is even with the right heart we could read his word for a thousand years and only have barely cracked the depth's of it which really speaks of his wonder and how deep the ocean is that is his heart.
 

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and who are you to say someone is in left field?
Being of the Holy Spirit I understand what is of the Spirit and what is not. I am guilty.

well not quite accurate, but I agree much of it was abut John's time
That was me speaking about what kind of ideas are way out in LEFT-FIELD, IMHO. Revelation is pretty much all future events, save Rev. 1-3

Those two statements are contradictory
Again, I was pointing out LEFT-FIELD beliefs.....People say the AoD happened long ago, and it is really a future event.

Jesus said it for one. It was the Roman armies with their standards gathered against Jerusalem
No he didn't, at the bottom I am going to prove to you the Abomination of Desolation is future. When I do, you won't please Reply, I will do a good job where it is very plain. Thanks.

I guess Jesus got it wrong then. Only Matt 24 of the three mentions the A of D and Jesus placed it squarely within a generation of His passing. I used to believe Scofield when young but I sorted out his errors.
No he didn't, that comes from people misunderstanding his words in Matthew. He stated that when you see all of these signs.............We all know what ALL Means !! It means ALL, so the Generation that sees all of these signs let them understand the parable of the Fig tree, when summer is near you will see the leaves come forth, meaning likewise that when you see the signs it is like the leaves blooming, summer is near or THE GENERATION THAT SEE THESE SIGNS they will see the coming of the Lord, thus its near just like summer is near when you see the leaves bloom. It has nothing to do with a generation 2000 years ago because these signs were not present 2000 years ago TO WIT:

Matthew 24:1-6 is about the Temple & Jerusalem being destroyed, Jesus is basically warning the Disciples, when you hear of these wars and rumors of Wars, do not come back looking for me (in Jerusalem), THE END IS NOT YET........But it will be by and by.

Matthew 24:7-13 is a 2000 year panoramic view from Jesus time/death to the coming Rapture. Nations will rise against Nations, Kingdoms will rise against Kingdoms and you will have pestilences, famine and earthquakes. (2000 year period). The Christian that endures these tribulations/troubles (in life in general) shall be saved. Paul said we must run the Full Race to the end. Its a Marathon, not a sprint.

{ Matthew 24:32-44 should go here, its the Rapture that Matthew knew nothing about, but Paul was told about it. Matthew HEARD these words, but assumed it went with the Second Coming. He was told no different by Jesus.}

Matthew 24:14-26 The Gospel has to be preached into all the world before the end can come THEN......THEN The Abomination of Desolation happens. THEN.....THEN Israel Flees Jerusalem and we have a TIME OF TROUBLE like never before. If those days were not shortened no life would be saved.....End time Event.

Jesus warns these Jewish peoples who Flee not to come out of their protected zone, where he is protecting them for 1260 days. He warns them about false christs and false prophets doing miracles, and tells them not to go out to the desert or to the secret chamber (Don't fall for it, they want to kill you). Then he tells them where he will be coming from, The Eastern Skies for all to see.

Matthew 24:27-31 is the Second Coming.

All of these signs are what Jesus was speaking about. Lets look at them all together:

1. The Gospel must be preached unto all the world (Could not have happened 2000 years ago)
2. Abomination of Desolation, is an End Time Event as I will prove that Below.
3. Israel Flees into the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 Days.
4. Great Tribulation the likes of which has/will NEVER BEEN SEEN ( 70 AD can't Match WW1 or WW2, so its still FUTURE)
5. Earthquakes....remember in Rev. there is a few GREAT EARTHQUAKES like never seen before.
6. False christs and false prophets doing wonders and miracles (They are of Satan this did not happen 2000 years ago)
7. Famines and pestilences, see Revelation chapter Six and the Four Horsemen.
8. The Sun will be darkened, the moon will not give her light, the Heavens will be shaken.

Jesus is saying when you see these signs, THAT GENERATION will not pass until the Lord Returns. Why do I end it with the Lord Return? Because Matthew 24:31 has the Lord Returning, Jesus said when you see these signs ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL BE FULFILLED !! Has Jesus Returned? NO, so this could not have happened 2000 years ago.

or maybe right understanding of the Bible.?
Scriptures say otherwise brother.

well you're wrong again
No because it came from the Holy Spirit. You know there is a difference. My belief via using reason and evaluation is just that, my belief. Then you have the Holy Spirit revealing things to us, the former I discuss and reason with people, the latter, I would never debate that which the Holy Spirit has revealed unto me, it is set in stone.

Now as per the Abomination of Desolation. Put Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24 and Rev. 12 all together. Here a little, there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept. It then becomes clear.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand:} 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle,(God) that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, (Israel) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So how can anyone read these three passages and not understand the Abomination of Desolation is an End Time Event? Lets look at Daniel 12:1-2, we see that when "Michael Stands Up" matches Revelation 12:7 and the battle in Heaven. ( And we know Satan is cast down with but a SHORT TIME Left, thus he is Angry !! ) We can back up to Daniel 11:45, the last verse in chapter 11 and see that this is where the Anti-Christ/Beast plants his Tabernacle (Dwells) in the Holy Mountain !! Lets get back to Daniel 12:1, it says there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE like never before, and at that time thy people will be delivered (Rev. 12 says when Michael casts Satan out of Heaven God DELIVERS/PROTECTS Israel (Woman) for 1260 Days in the Wilderness. Also in Daniel 12:2 we see the Rapture, look at it, and many that sleep SHALL AWAKE....No matter when you think the Rapture is, pre/mid/post, it happens right here when the TIME OF TROUBLE is Mentioned (Meaning its End Time). And in Matthew 24 we see the Abomination of Desolation happens, Israel FLEES Judea, and there is a TIME OF TROUBLE....Then in Matthew 24:29 we see that IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation/Time of Troubles, we will see Jesus returning (with the Church IMHO). So the Abomination of Desolation has to be an End Time Event !!

Go study those verses Daniel 12:1-2 (with 11:45), Matthew 24 14-31 and Revelation 12:6-17. It brings it all together. These three passages are all interconnected.

God Bless brother....





 
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Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, my gosh such a surprise of a thread coming from you.
I discern only 2 things from your post. Either your afraid that you might be wrong and need constant reassurance. Or your afraid of heights. Dunno.
You go out of your way to start name calling, being rude, and causing strife among the brethren.
Why, you need to get yourself on another playing field here.
Why is it so important to you that everyone be a post toasty?
Pick on the ones who don't believe in a trib at all. Then you'll be halfway right.
 
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The millennium is nothing more than 1,000 years. That's what a millennium is . It's the period of time Jesus will be with us before Satan is released. Jesus kicks his but and we live here with our Lord Forever.
 

valiant

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The millennium is nothing more than 1,000 years. That's what a millennium is . It's the period of time Jesus will be with us before Satan is released. Jesus kicks his but and we live here with our Lord Forever.
I'm glad you said that for Satan was released in rev 9.1-11. That make the millennium the period in which we are living.

'A thousand' years simply means a long period of time. Compare 'a thousand generations where it is also not literal.
 
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yep but not on these false teachings about millennium and the Tribulation :).
According to you when does the Great Tribulation happen so we know whether or not to put you with the deceived, lol.
 

valiant

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Hi Blain, I pretty much agree with your post, I believe that the bible is written in such a way that those with a right heart condition will see the truth of God and those with a wrong heart condition will miss God. As strange as it seems, I believe that God made His word in such a way that people who are not totally for God will miss His message.
That's true. And the Bible doesn't teach of a millennium to come with all its contradictions. Next is the everlasting kingdom :)
 

valiant

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According to you when does the Great Tribulation happen so we know whether or not to put you with the deceived, lol.
The great tribulation (for the Jews) commenced in 70 ad and continues on to the present. That's what Matt 24 teaches.
 
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That's true. And the Bible doesn't teach of a millennium to come with all its contradictions. Next is the everlasting kingdom :)
(KJV)Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(Aramaic Translation)Revelation 20:6- Blessed and holy is he, whoever has part in the first resurrection, and the second death has no authority over these, but they shall be Priests of God and of The Messiah, and they shall reign with him 1000 years.


I honestly don't know how you could misinterpret direct scripture unless you do it purposely.
 

valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant
That's true. And the Bible doesn't teach of a millennium to come with all its contradictions. Next is the everlasting kingdom :)
(KJV)Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The first resurrection was the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and those who partook with Him in a spiritual resurrection (Eph 2.5-6; John 5.25). All who have partaken in the spiritual resurrection (both those in Heaven and those on earth) are reigning with Christ and will not experience the second death. They are priests of God and of Christ and reign with him 'a thousand years' (a long period of time).

(Aramaic Translation)Revelation 20:6- Blessed and holy is he, whoever has part in the first resurrection, and the second death has no authority over these, but they shall be Priests of God and of The Messiah, and they shall reign with him 1000 years.
ditto

I honestly don't know how you could misinterpret direct scripture unless you do it purposely.
You have missed the whole point of Revelation20 which was to summarise what has gone before. It is YOU who misinterpret them
 
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The first resurrection was the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and those who partook with Him in a spiritual resurrection (Eph 2.5-6; John 5.25). All who have partaken in the spiritual resurrection (both those in Heaven and those on earth) are reigning with Christ and will not experience the second death. They are priests of God and of Christ and reign with him 'a thousand years' (a long period of time). ditto You have missed the whole point of Revelation20 which was to summarise what has gone before. It is YOU who misinterpret them
Which was to summarise what has gone before? If you believe revelation 20 has already taken place i would encourage you to reread the scriptures Some of the stuff you say doesn't line up with scripture