JOHN HAGEES FALSE DUAL COVENANT THEOLOGY

[sparkman]

Here is a great article regarding John Hagee's false dual covenant theology regarding Israel.

Basically Hagee teaches that the Mosaic Covenant without accepting Christ as savior is adequate for salvation for the Jew. The author of the article points out that IT IS NOT ADEQUATE and that Hagee fails to understand there is no observance of Mosaic Covenant or law today as the Mosaic Covenant is intricately connected with the animal sacrifice system and the Levitical priesthood. Neither have existed since AD70.

This fact is why the "Torah observer" crowd is in error. They can't be observing Torah but only their own modified version of it. Days and meats are usually their claims to superior standing before God, and sometimes physical circumcision (keep them scissors away from me). I used to believe similar doctrines.

Anyways here's the article:

https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-...people-more-than-you-love-the-jewish-messiah/

 

[Spokenpassage]

Destructive heresy.

 

[Grace777x70]

I liked what the article had to say about the Jews. I wonder if that is what Hagee actually meant in the snippet given? ( I don't know what Hagee believes as I never watch him ) There does seem to be some messed up stuff in his book that was quoted.

I do know that some times we can take things out of the context they were given in and it then "appears" to be something else other then what it was intended to convey. It's hard to believe that someone could say that a Jew doesn't need Jesus as Savior - just do the Old Covenant thing is good enough. It violates most of the New Testament.

I liked what the guy in the article did say about loving the Jews for themselves and that their hope should be in Jesus and not in their new IDF tanks. Thanks for the article.

 

[wsblind]

Here is a great article regarding John Hagee's false dual covenant theology regarding Israel.

Basically Hagee teaches that the Mosaic Covenant without accepting Christ as savior is adequate for salvation for the Jew. The author of the article points out that IT IS NOT ADEQUATE and that Hagee fails to understand there is no observance of Mosaic Covenant or law today as the Mosaic Covenant is intricately connected with the animal sacrifice system and the Levitical priesthood. Neither have existed since AD70.

This fact is why the "Torah observer" crowd is in error. They can't be observing Torah but only their own modified version of it. Days and meats are usually their claims to superior standing before God, and sometimes physical circumcision (keep them scissors away from me). I used to believe similar doctrines.

Anyways here's the article:

https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-...people-more-than-you-love-the-jewish-messiah/

“The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation…Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, but not Jews”[1]


No period at the end of that quote. Post the whole quote so we can see it in context.

 

[wsblind]

I liked what the article had to say about the Jews. I wonder if that is what Hagee actually meant in the snippet given? ( I don't know what Hagee believes as I never watch him ) There does seem to be some messed up stuff in his book that was quoted.

I do know that some times we can take things out of the context they were given in and it then "appears" to be something else other then what it was intended to convey. It's hard to believe that someone could say that a Jew doesn't need Jesus as Savior - just do the Old Covenant thing is good enough. It violates most of the New Testament.

I liked what the guy in the article did say about loving the Jews for themselves and that their hope should be in Jesus and not in their new IDF tanks. Thanks for the article.

I have never listened to him. But that article CLEARLY shows that I can't judge John H by it. NOTHING is shown in context of what he is saying.

 

[sparkman]

“The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation…Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, but not Jews”[1]


No period at the end of that quote. Post the whole quote so we can see it in context.

Hagee has been rebuked on this topic before. It is not the peculiar view of this author.

 

[wsblind]

I liked what the article had to say about the Jews. I wonder if that is what Hagee actually meant in the snippet given? ( I don't know what Hagee believes as I never watch him ) There does seem to be some messed up stuff in his book that was quoted.

I do know that some times we can take things out of the context they were given in and it then "appears" to be something else other then what it was intended to convey. It's hard to believe that someone could say that a Jew doesn't need Jesus as Savior - just do the Old Covenant thing is good enough. It violates most of the New Testament.

I liked what the guy in the article did say about loving the Jews for themselves and that their hope should be in Jesus and not in their new IDF tanks. Thanks for the article.

My guess would be that John Hegge leans towards dispensations and sees the distinctions between the Church and Israel.

I have never listened to him. But that would be my guess. Seems everyone that teaches a bit of truth these days is put on a lifted a stake to be publicly crucified.

 

[Angela53510]

I think it is pretty obvious, reading the article, that, periods aside, Hagee is a nut case who has never bothered to read the Bible, but instead searches for things that support his crack pot theology (eisegesis). In fact, he seems to have missed the entire purpose of the OT and Jesus dying on the cross. I knew after the blood moons fiasco, and Jesus NOT returning, (not that I was expecting it!) that this guy was off the wall, totally and completely. But to see this kind of unbiblical theology is just ridiculous!

I did not know about the social conditions, and how bad the poverty is in Israel. I guess the less and less the west supports Israel, the worse it will get! I guess we need to pray for salvation for the Jews, and for more support for the country!

 

[wsblind]

Hagee has been rebuked on this topic before. It is not the peculiar view of this author.

Give us the full quote. So we can see the context.

 

[Desertsrose]

Destructive heresy.

Amen! We get newsletters and magazines from Messianic believers and Hagee has been controversial for quite some time. His teaching is heretical! And antisemetic.

How much more can one hate the Jews than to keep the gospel to themselves, concealing the cross of Christ from them and in doing so damn them to hell. Absolutely unbelievable! He's a false teacher for sure!

 

[wsblind]

I think it is pretty obvious, reading the article, that, periods aside, Hagee is a nut case who has never bothered to read the Bible, but instead searches for things that support his crack pot theology (eisegesis). In fact, he seems to have missed the entire purpose of the OT and Jesus dying on the cross. I knew after the blood moons fiasco, and Jesus NOT returning, (not that I was expecting it!) that this guy was off the wall, totally and completely. But to see this kind of unbiblical theology is just ridiculous!

I did not know about the social conditions, and how bad the poverty is in Israel. I guess the less and less the west supports Israel, the worse it will get! I guess we need to pray for salvation for the Jews, and for more support for the country!

Angela, I have never listened to Hegge. And the little that this article offered, which was clearly biased, has no chance of helping me to see if Hegge is a false teacher.

Some people may know him. I do not. And if one is willing to "display" another individual only to run him into the ground.........they had better have enough information and background on that individual to answer questions and be WELL schooled in defending the reason they are running another individual into the ground.

 

[sparkman]

Here's a synopsis by Hank Hanegraaff as well:

https://youtu.be/KOGnd8HO25c

 

[wsblind]

Here's a synopsis by Hank Hanegraaff as well:

https://youtu.be/KOGnd8HO25c

Come on brother. Give us the full quote of what Hegge was saying in my post above. You should have this information for us if you want to scrutinize the man.

And if not, I am giving Hegge the benefit of the doubt and you are on yet another witch hunt.

 

[Locutus]

Hagee is off the wall. nuff said.

 

[sparkman]

Angela, I have never listened to Hegge. And the little that this article offered, which was clearly biased, has no chance of helping me to see if Hegge is a false teacher.

Some people may know him. I do not. And if one is willing to "display" another individual only to run him into the ground.........they had better have enough information and background on that individual to answer questions and be WELL schooled in defending the reason they are running another individual into the ground.

So you think a man needs to jump in the sewer to know it stinks? I don't. I've heard what other well-informed scholars have said about him to know the article was well-written and has valid concerns. My main interest in the article relates to the Mosaic Covenant and the author's well-founded remarks that it offers nothing in regards to salvation and can't be observed without a Levitical priesthood and animal sacrifice system.

Hagee is a Word of Faith preacher anyways so by definition he is a fruitcake.

 

[wsblind]

Hagee is off the wall. nuff said.

Prove it. I have never listened to him. and It sure seems to me that folks here are just saying ," Take my word for it!"

As of late, on these forums, it seems anyone who has a bit of truth is burned at the stake.

Where is the John Piper false teaching thread? Or the Chan false teaching thread? We won't see it, the world promotes those who teach worldly doctrines.

 

[wsblind]

So you think a man needs to jump in the sewer to know it stinks? I don't. I've heard what other well-informed scholars have said about him to know the article was well-written and has valid concerns. My main interest in the article relates to the Mosaic Covenant and the author's well-founded remarks that it offers nothing in regards to salvation and can't be observed without a Levitical priesthood and animal sacrifice system.

Hagee is a Word of Faith preacher anyways so by definition he is a fruitcake.

What is so hard about backing up what you are saying? Give us the full quote of Hegge that was in the article! Why is this so hard?! I am interested, and want to know.

 

[sparkman]

Come on brother. Give us the full quote of what Hegge was saying in my post above. You should have this information for us if you want to scrutinize the man.

And if not, I am giving Hegge the benefit of the doubt and you are on yet another witch hunt.

I didn't write the article so I don't have the quote but the author refers to teachings Hagee espouses. I have no reason to doubt him. Which of my fan club are you a part of? Charismatics? "Torah Observers"? church haters anti-Calvinists? Those are the main four topics where my threads generate "fans"

 

[wsblind]

I didn't write the article so I don't have the quote but the author refers to teachings Hagee espouses. I have no reason to doubt him. Which of my fan club are you a part of? Charismatics? "Torah Observers"? church haters anti-Calvinists? Those are the main four topics where my threads generate "fans"

I know you didn't write the article. The author refers to Hegges teachings. You posted it to PROVE that Hegge is a false teacher.

I don't care what Hegge believes. If you can't go any deeper that what someone else wrote about him and can't answer simple questions from us............maybe you should just stick to being quiet.

 

[tanakh]

Here is a great article regarding John Hagee's false dual covenant theology regarding Israel.

Basically Hagee teaches that the Mosaic Covenant without accepting Christ as savior is adequate for salvation for the Jew. The author of the article points out that IT IS NOT ADEQUATE and that Hagee fails to understand there is no observance of Mosaic Covenant or law today as the Mosaic Covenant is intricately connected with the animal sacrifice system and the Levitical priesthood. Neither have existed since AD70.

This fact is why the "Torah observer" crowd is in error. They can't be observing Torah but only their own modified version of it. Days and meats are usually their claims to superior standing before God, and sometimes physical circumcision (keep them scissors away from me). I used to believe similar doctrines.

Anyways here's the article:

https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-...people-more-than-you-love-the-jewish-messiah/

This idea is tied in with the dispensationalist/Pre Trib belief that the ''Church age'' will end and God will turn his attention back to the Jews once the Church is raptured. Where it goes wrong is that God has never turned his attention away from the Jews. He has spent over two thousand years judging them in accordance with his warning in Deuteronomy as to what will happen if they turn their backs on him and his covenant all of which has so far come to pass. The return of the Jews to Israel is the culmination of that process of judgement which will end in a remnant being saved at the second coming when they ''look upon him who they pierced''