Virgin or young woman?
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If you are putting your hope on a man, even Jesus, you are possibly not trusting in God. I know this sounds wrong on its surface. I'm not saying to just trust God without seeking the testimony of His Messiah. I'm saying if you trust Jesus you would confirm the whole Instruction. Instead we all have seen the"church" adds confusion. That the law of Elohim is not done away with or changed. The laws or doctrine of men was done away with, though most put themselves under some form of this today. The law or instruction of YHWH Elohim in Messiah Yeshua is meant build us up in Messiah Yeshua and together as one body and the Churches today are ignoring it. This is why so many denominations exist today, over 30,000.
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Nobody is "counting chickens".... not really sure how that applies here, but ok....
I'm going by what you have tried to insinuate... that just possibly, Mary was not a virgin, just simply a young girl. You SAY that you believe she was a virgin, then go to quite great lengths to cast doubt on that.
THAT is why I say you are the one scratching around on the surface here.. most of the rest of us do not try to second-guess scripture when it plainly states something.
I'm going by what you have tried to insinuate... that just possibly, Mary was not a virgin, just simply a young girl. You SAY that you believe she was a virgin, then go to quite great lengths to cast doubt on that.
THAT is why I say you are the one scratching around on the surface here.. most of the rest of us do not try to second-guess scripture when it plainly states something.
The term virgin in those parables are used to spiritually represent the bride of Christ the church. She, as the temporal (that seen) is not reckoned as male and female, and not Jew or Gentile is in respect to the new eternal creation (not seen) but is reckoned as the mother of us all.
Mary was used to typify that not seen, the bride of Christ as the segregate mother of us all in respect to those who hold out the gospel, the incorruptible seed of God’s word by which all men are born again from above. Paul is shown as a mother that suffered as in birth pains until Christ, through the gospel until the Holy Spirit (Christ) is formed in those who mix faith in what they hear..
In parables the scriptures refers to two kinds of women to represent two kinds relationships. The strange woman or bond woman representing all who do not have the Spirit of Christ. The bride of Christ, are shown by a number used as a metaphor no man could count. The bride of Christ as that not seen, the freed woman represented by virgins who have not fornificated after other gods .keeping the first commandment.
As new creatures we are not considered as those who fortification with the gods of this world and therefore make the first commandment without effect.(the strange woman) The virgins are used to represent the bride of Christ as the mother of us all. Some take the literal interpretation and turn that portion of scripture into men that did not have sex with woman, rather than apply the meaning of the parable.
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Rev 14:3
The virgin bride of Christ, the church which is made up of many lively stones that make up the spiritual house of God as the temple of God in reference to the mother of us all, she is shown in Revelations 12.
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:3
She as the bride of Christ is also shown in Genesis 3:15 ( travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered). Just as with Paul acting as a segregate mother and Timothy when Paul held out the gospel, the incorruptible seed by which all men are born again from above.
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:19
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 3:15
Mary was used to typify that not seen, the bride of Christ as the segregate mother of us all in respect to those who hold out the gospel, the incorruptible seed of God’s word by which all men are born again from above. Paul is shown as a mother that suffered as in birth pains until Christ, through the gospel until the Holy Spirit (Christ) is formed in those who mix faith in what they hear..
In parables the scriptures refers to two kinds of women to represent two kinds relationships. The strange woman or bond woman representing all who do not have the Spirit of Christ. The bride of Christ, are shown by a number used as a metaphor no man could count. The bride of Christ as that not seen, the freed woman represented by virgins who have not fornificated after other gods .keeping the first commandment.
As new creatures we are not considered as those who fortification with the gods of this world and therefore make the first commandment without effect.(the strange woman) The virgins are used to represent the bride of Christ as the mother of us all. Some take the literal interpretation and turn that portion of scripture into men that did not have sex with woman, rather than apply the meaning of the parable.
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Rev 14:3
The virgin bride of Christ, the church which is made up of many lively stones that make up the spiritual house of God as the temple of God in reference to the mother of us all, she is shown in Revelations 12.
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:3
She as the bride of Christ is also shown in Genesis 3:15 ( travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered). Just as with Paul acting as a segregate mother and Timothy when Paul held out the gospel, the incorruptible seed by which all men are born again from above.
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:19
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 3:15
Yes it is Christ who counts them even before they are born. As many as the father has given to the Son they will come.
Trusting the word of God is where we get our confidence from .If he has begun the good work of His faith in us he will finish it. For no man could keep the whole law without stumbling and receiving the eternal wage of sin death.(no partial wage) Christinas have been delivired from death and given eternal spirit life that could never die..
The unconverted Jew they seek after a sign they could perform before they will believe.(the oral tradition of the fathers) making the word of God without effect. The cross in respect to the finished work of Christ is thier stumbling block seeing they must walk by sight.
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform ituntil the day of Jesus Christ:
No man will be found with a righteousness of their own self. But one as Christ works in us to both will and do His good plea use. They have a proper understanding of what a imputed righteousness is.(not of our own selves)
Trusting the word of God is where we get our confidence from .If he has begun the good work of His faith in us he will finish it. For no man could keep the whole law without stumbling and receiving the eternal wage of sin death.(no partial wage) Christinas have been delivired from death and given eternal spirit life that could never die..
The unconverted Jew they seek after a sign they could perform before they will believe.(the oral tradition of the fathers) making the word of God without effect. The cross in respect to the finished work of Christ is thier stumbling block seeing they must walk by sight.
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform ituntil the day of Jesus Christ:
No man will be found with a righteousness of their own self. But one as Christ works in us to both will and do His good plea use. They have a proper understanding of what a imputed righteousness is.(not of our own selves)
AGAIN I'm not implying she was not a virgin just trying to understand better how Alimah was translated to virgin. It's really simple man. You are casting doubt not me. I'm finding a truth and why 70 Jewish scholars translate into Greek young maiden as virgin. I believe that it is correct. I believe she was a virgin on the merit that she kept Torah. Trying to explain this to lawless faith churches is almost impossible because of the language barrier. Wake up hornetguy. I'm not saying that she may not have been a virgin just how before the renewed covenant did they come to the same conclusion we have now about the virgin birth and today Jewish teachers try to muddy the issue. Where have I insinuated she was not a virgin? Others like yourself have insinuated that I have said this and cast doubt, hateful words, or whatever. If you want to call me a liar first show me what I said that offended you please so I can apologize and try and clarify myself if needed.
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But Christians fornicate with foreign gods every year even these gods are written on their hearts. If I say turkey day or evergreen tree day you know what seasons I'm talking about. If I say unleavened bread, or tents most Christian religions don't have a clue what I'm talking about. This proves Christian religions have failed and have fallen from truth. Soon you will know the truth and it will set you free. If you keep working hard to understand through obedience to the unchanging will of my Heavenly Father and of Messiah.
So to you Jesus is not God? In other words you are a heretic.
So the Father is God and Jesus is only His Messiah? It figures.
Because Jesus is YHWH Elohim
Why?
You mean the law of Messiah is different from the law of Elohim? What do YOU call the doctrine of men?
And what of the law or instruction of YHWH Who is also the Christ?
You seem to belong to one of them, and an outlandish one at that.
So the Father is God and Jesus is only His Messiah? It figures.
Because Jesus is YHWH Elohim
Why?
You mean the law of Messiah is different from the law of Elohim? What do YOU call the doctrine of men?
And what of the law or instruction of YHWH Who is also the Christ?
You seem to belong to one of them, and an outlandish one at that.
K
Quote "If you are putting your hope on a man, even Jesus, you are possibly not trusting in God."
Don't know what Bible you're reading,better take another look my friend. Jesus was not just a man.He was God and man.
Quote ". I know this sounds wrong on its surface."
Yep,it does,cause it is wrong. The OT law has been fulfilled in Christ. Christ and God and One in the same. Christ was crucified for claiming to be God.There is no confusion,you're confusing yourself. Read the NT.
So if the renewed covenant says what happened to them,(Israel) was so we wouldn't fall to the same disobedience they did, it does, where can we find an example of Israel worshiping Messiah and getting in trouble?
He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
Nehushtan [N] [H]
of copper; a brazen thing a name of contempt given to the serpent Moses had made in the wilderness ( Numbers 21:8 ), and which Hezekiah destroyed because the children of Israel began to regard it as an idol and "burn incense to it." The lapse of nearly one thousand years had invested the "brazen serpent" with a mysterious sanctity; and in order to deliver the people from their infatuation, and impress them with the idea of its worthlessness, Hezekiah called it, in contempt, "Nehushtan," a brazen thing, a mere piece of brass ( 2 Kings 18:4 ).
We have an example in the renewed covenant to its symbolic representation which is Messiah. Christian religions have failed to worship Elohim and making in stead an image of Messiah to "burn incense to". How do you worship God of scripture when you have turned your backs to Elohim? YHWH is " The Lord" in your renewed covenant writings not Yeshua His Son. Because the Children of Israel didn't look up to the surpent and remember Elohim they died at being bitten by the fiery surpents. Later they came to die by the curse of infidelity to Elohim, (adultery). Numbers 5:17
Wherever judgment comes there is grace for true believers. When the curse is mentioned hear the truth there where two sides of the scroll one was a curse and the other was a blessing.
So again obedience not sacrifice is what YHWH requires. You have only been deceived to believe we have nothing to do with it.
He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
Nehushtan [N] [H]
of copper; a brazen thing a name of contempt given to the serpent Moses had made in the wilderness ( Numbers 21:8 ), and which Hezekiah destroyed because the children of Israel began to regard it as an idol and "burn incense to it." The lapse of nearly one thousand years had invested the "brazen serpent" with a mysterious sanctity; and in order to deliver the people from their infatuation, and impress them with the idea of its worthlessness, Hezekiah called it, in contempt, "Nehushtan," a brazen thing, a mere piece of brass ( 2 Kings 18:4 ).
We have an example in the renewed covenant to its symbolic representation which is Messiah. Christian religions have failed to worship Elohim and making in stead an image of Messiah to "burn incense to". How do you worship God of scripture when you have turned your backs to Elohim? YHWH is " The Lord" in your renewed covenant writings not Yeshua His Son. Because the Children of Israel didn't look up to the surpent and remember Elohim they died at being bitten by the fiery surpents. Later they came to die by the curse of infidelity to Elohim, (adultery). Numbers 5:17
Wherever judgment comes there is grace for true believers. When the curse is mentioned hear the truth there where two sides of the scroll one was a curse and the other was a blessing.
So again obedience not sacrifice is what YHWH requires. You have only been deceived to believe we have nothing to do with it.
P
There were false teachers called Judaizers in the early church. Judaizers were Jews who believed in Jesus as the Christ. However, they refused to accept the truth that the New Testament had replaced the Old as the law and guide for God’s people. They taught that Gentiles must be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses in order to be saved.When Judaizers came to Antioch, Paul and Barnabas stood against their false teaching. Since these false teachers had come from Jerusalem, and also claimed the church in Jerusalem believed as they did, Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss the matter. They met with the inspired apostles and elders who agreed with them that Gentiles were justified by faith without keeping the Law of Moses. These inspired men wrote a letter to the churches stating this (Acts 15).
from International Bible Teaching Ministries
from International Bible Teaching Ministries
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