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It sure would be nice to see some verses on them being gathered without repentance. I think I got one which mentions a previous gathering in unbelief but lets see what they bring forth. I truly hope it will not be one of those abomination of desolation verses paired with logic about "well they have to be in the land to build a temple and abominatedesolate it". But that is what I am afraid of, it is always that.
Sure. Note also they were following the same Levitical system with sacrifices and rituals. They were also forbidden to let any foreigner enter the temple. The new temple allows any believer to enter as we are the temple. The spiritual temple does not use the Law and much of the Law is given again in these chapters. Here are a couple of passages, one showing death one showing sons are present. If a prince has a son, he is likely married.
Ezekiel 44
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“They shall not defile themselves by coming near a dead person. Only for father or mother, for son or daughter, for brother or unmarried sister may they defile themselves. [SUP]26 [/SUP]After he is cleansed, they shall count seven days for him. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And on the day that he goes to the sanctuary to minister in the sanctuary, he must offer his sin offering in the inner court,” says the Lord God.
Eze 46: [SUP]16 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God: “If the prince gives a gift of some of his inheritance to any of his sons, it shall belong to his sons; it is their possession by inheritance. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But if he gives a gift of some of his inheritance to one of his servants, it shall be his until the year of liberty, after which it shall return to the prince. But his inheritance shall belong to his sons; it shall become theirs.
Ezekiel 44
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“They shall not defile themselves by coming near a dead person. Only for father or mother, for son or daughter, for brother or unmarried sister may they defile themselves. [SUP]26 [/SUP]After he is cleansed, they shall count seven days for him. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And on the day that he goes to the sanctuary to minister in the sanctuary, he must offer his sin offering in the inner court,” says the Lord God.
Eze 46: [SUP]16 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God: “If the prince gives a gift of some of his inheritance to any of his sons, it shall belong to his sons; it is their possession by inheritance. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But if he gives a gift of some of his inheritance to one of his servants, it shall be his until the year of liberty, after which it shall return to the prince. But his inheritance shall belong to his sons; it shall become theirs.
As I said earlier and posted proof as well: In today's age nobody cares about the temple aside from the few wingnuts the 1% of Jews and the dispie Christians and christadelphians.
The issue is not only political with the temple mount and all of that, it is also about hygiene and animal rights. The vast majority of Jews and Israelis are first world people, and therefore they are all about human rights, animal rights, LGBT rights and all of that. And you can see those values in Israeli society, it is just like any other first world european country in that sense, same rights same hassle. If these people can not deal with God ordained marriage, how will they deal with animal sacrifices? Those poor lambs
Everyone knows this is true, its 2017. Not a day goes by where something or someone wants rights.
The issue is not only political with the temple mount and all of that, it is also about hygiene and animal rights. The vast majority of Jews and Israelis are first world people, and therefore they are all about human rights, animal rights, LGBT rights and all of that. And you can see those values in Israeli society, it is just like any other first world european country in that sense, same rights same hassle. If these people can not deal with God ordained marriage, how will they deal with animal sacrifices? Those poor lambs
Everyone knows this is true, its 2017. Not a day goes by where something or someone wants rights.
This time it's Daniel
. Dan 12 had bothered me forever. I have considered every possible theory on the resurrection(s). Josephus never discusses any resurrection, just a ton of dead bodies. He does record troops and chariots in the sky in 66 AD and so does secular historian Tacitus.
Have you read any of Josephus? I avoided it for the longest time but once you start, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's like reading all the details behind the Olivet Discourse. Once anyone reads it, maybe even VCO and AHW, I don't know how you can come away not thinking that that was the great tribulation. But, they will never read it because they don't want to even consider they might be wrong.
. Dan 12 had bothered me forever. I have considered every possible theory on the resurrection(s). Josephus never discusses any resurrection, just a ton of dead bodies. He does record troops and chariots in the sky in 66 AD and so does secular historian Tacitus.Have you read any of Josephus? I avoided it for the longest time but once you start, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's like reading all the details behind the Olivet Discourse. Once anyone reads it, maybe even VCO and AHW, I don't know how you can come away not thinking that that was the great tribulation. But, they will never read it because they don't want to even consider they might be wrong.
Daniel 12 is interesting indeed, must be future but can not be future. We will see how it plays out.
1 verse troubles 2 verse resurrection. This type of resurrection also does not line up with the one in Revelation 20, there is no 1000 year difference, I wonder what is the premillennial answer to this, can someone tell me?
PlainWord the reason I have not read Josephus is because it is a very long book and a boring one at that.
1 verse troubles 2 verse resurrection. This type of resurrection also does not line up with the one in Revelation 20, there is no 1000 year difference, I wonder what is the premillennial answer to this, can someone tell me?
PlainWord the reason I have not read Josephus is because it is a very long book and a boring one at that.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
The kingdom on earth will be restored to Israel in the future.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
All Gentile governments will not exist,and Israel will be the only operating nation with power,and control in the world.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
God will bring the whole house of Israel,all twelve tribes,back to their land.Israel became a nation again in 1948,and will continue to bring the Jews back to their land,and leave them no more in the nations.
Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
With fighter jets,God will take control of Jersualem,which Israeli fighter pilots paved the way to win the 6 day war,1967,in which they took control of Jerusalem.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and will pave the way for all Jews to go back to the land of Israel,and the Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,as they work together to have peace on earth,and the 7 years period will begin.
Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack(Revelation 12).Israel will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians.
The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin steps in to the Jews temle,and claims to be God and their Messiah.
For the first three and one half years,repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,and they will operate by a unified religious system based on spiritual evolution,and all religions not compatible with that is interpreted to be compatible,and their fundamental ways are not part of the unified religious system,and the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.
It will be the time that they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,spiritual evolution through nature,adhering to the unified religious system,and it will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion punishable in the international criminal court system,for all are vaild with a core truth.
The 6 trumpets are 6 disasters that happen on earth,but they do not repent of their wicked deeds,and do not turn to God,and after the 6th trumpet that is a war that one third of the world perishes,the world does not turn to God,so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
The falling away first is complete,for they had repentance,and salvation,available to them,as testified that the saints were still on earth,but they did not want to endure the truth of the Bible,but the unified religious system,/mmmmmmmm///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////CXdMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmx(I am leaving this in the post for this is where I was really sleepy,and fell asleep),and stifled them preaching by saying it is a hate crime,and did not turn to God after the 6th trumpet,that terrible war,so God gave them the man of sin to rule over them,and deceive all who do not love God to take the mark of the beast,in which repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them.
God gave the world a chance for three and one half years to acknowledge their mistake,and turn to Him,but they did not,so God is allowing the world to be deceived that does not love Himmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm(I feel asleep again).
The man of sin will step in the Jews temple,and claim to be God and their Messiah,and the people that do not love God will follow him,and they will make war against the saints for three and one half years,the tribulation,and after that time is up,the saints that remain will be gathered unto Christ.
Then the world goes against Israel,who acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah,and God comes back with His saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.
The whole house of Israel,all 12 tribes,will go back to Israel,and the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East which paves the way for all Jews to go back to their land,as the Gentiles come together to try to have peace on earth.
The man of sin has evil intentions with that peace treaty,to cause all Jews to come to the land of Israel,so he has them all in one place,for he eventually wants to go against them,but God has good intentions that will thwart the man of sin's intentions,to bring Israel to the truth,and restore the kingdom on earth to them.
Physical Israel will become spiritual when they as a nation acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jer 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
Jer 33:23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Israel is blinded in part,they recognize the Old Testament,but not the New,for the majority,but Israel as a nation must accept Jesus as their Messiah,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,salvation is no longer avaiable to them after they take the mark of the beast,and so all Israel shall be saved,Gentiles that took the mark put down,and physical Israel shall become spiritual,and saved from the beast.
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
The kingdom on earth will be restored to Israel in the future.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
All Gentile governments will not exist,and Israel will be the only operating nation with power,and control in the world.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
God will bring the whole house of Israel,all twelve tribes,back to their land.Israel became a nation again in 1948,and will continue to bring the Jews back to their land,and leave them no more in the nations.
Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
With fighter jets,God will take control of Jersualem,which Israeli fighter pilots paved the way to win the 6 day war,1967,in which they took control of Jerusalem.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and will pave the way for all Jews to go back to the land of Israel,and the Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,as they work together to have peace on earth,and the 7 years period will begin.
Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack(Revelation 12).Israel will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians.
The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin steps in to the Jews temle,and claims to be God and their Messiah.
For the first three and one half years,repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,and they will operate by a unified religious system based on spiritual evolution,and all religions not compatible with that is interpreted to be compatible,and their fundamental ways are not part of the unified religious system,and the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.
It will be the time that they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,spiritual evolution through nature,adhering to the unified religious system,and it will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion punishable in the international criminal court system,for all are vaild with a core truth.
The 6 trumpets are 6 disasters that happen on earth,but they do not repent of their wicked deeds,and do not turn to God,and after the 6th trumpet that is a war that one third of the world perishes,the world does not turn to God,so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
The falling away first is complete,for they had repentance,and salvation,available to them,as testified that the saints were still on earth,but they did not want to endure the truth of the Bible,but the unified religious system,/mmmmmmmm///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////CXdMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmx(I am leaving this in the post for this is where I was really sleepy,and fell asleep),and stifled them preaching by saying it is a hate crime,and did not turn to God after the 6th trumpet,that terrible war,so God gave them the man of sin to rule over them,and deceive all who do not love God to take the mark of the beast,in which repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them.
God gave the world a chance for three and one half years to acknowledge their mistake,and turn to Him,but they did not,so God is allowing the world to be deceived that does not love Himmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm(I feel asleep again).
The man of sin will step in the Jews temple,and claim to be God and their Messiah,and the people that do not love God will follow him,and they will make war against the saints for three and one half years,the tribulation,and after that time is up,the saints that remain will be gathered unto Christ.
Then the world goes against Israel,who acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah,and God comes back with His saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.
The whole house of Israel,all 12 tribes,will go back to Israel,and the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East which paves the way for all Jews to go back to their land,as the Gentiles come together to try to have peace on earth.
The man of sin has evil intentions with that peace treaty,to cause all Jews to come to the land of Israel,so he has them all in one place,for he eventually wants to go against them,but God has good intentions that will thwart the man of sin's intentions,to bring Israel to the truth,and restore the kingdom on earth to them.
Physical Israel will become spiritual when they as a nation acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jer 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
Jer 33:23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Israel is blinded in part,they recognize the Old Testament,but not the New,for the majority,but Israel as a nation must accept Jesus as their Messiah,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,salvation is no longer avaiable to them after they take the mark of the beast,and so all Israel shall be saved,Gentiles that took the mark put down,and physical Israel shall become spiritual,and saved from the beast.
Safe travels. I'm trying to figure out if there is any logical reason for Christ to only have freed the souls from Hades when He preached to them. Since the new body is spiritual and incorruptible, why would the old body (or tent) be used for anything? We have multiple passages that say Christ's body never saw corruption and we know ours will.
Why is it that every time we see souls in heaven they are dressed in white linen? Do souls wear clothes in the afterlife?
I'm really leaning towards a 66 AD resurrection of just the dead Jews at the start of the Jewish War. In Rev 1, Christ is holding the key to Death and Hades. At the 4th seal, Death and Hades is still riding around. Unless we think these passages were fulfilled at Christ's resurrection, they would seem to align better with the Parousia, or presence return of Christ to pass judgment on Jerusalem.
Why is it that every time we see souls in heaven they are dressed in white linen? Do souls wear clothes in the afterlife?
I'm really leaning towards a 66 AD resurrection of just the dead Jews at the start of the Jewish War. In Rev 1, Christ is holding the key to Death and Hades. At the 4th seal, Death and Hades is still riding around. Unless we think these passages were fulfilled at Christ's resurrection, they would seem to align better with the Parousia, or presence return of Christ to pass judgment on Jerusalem.
It's not so bad once you get started. I didn't read the whole thing. I started at War, Book 3 because I was interested in all the events leading up to the destruction so I could look for fulfillment of the "beginnings of sorrows" and yes, they are there. But one could read just Books 5-6 and get a good flavor and see many things being fulfilled. You can read these two books in a few hours. It will forever change how you view certain things.
Book 5 - Bible Study Tools
Book 5 - Bible Study Tools
This time it's Daniel. Dan 12 had bothered me forever. I have considered every possible theory on the resurrection(s). Josephus never discusses any resurrection, just a ton of dead bodies. He does record troops and chariots in the sky in 66 AD and so does secular historian Tacitus.
Have you read any of Josephus? I avoided it for the longest time but once you start, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's like reading all the details behind the Olivet Discourse. Once anyone reads it, maybe even VCO and AHW, I don't know how you can come away not thinking that that was the great tribulation. But, they will never read it because they don't want to even consider they might be wrong.
. Dan 12 had bothered me forever. I have considered every possible theory on the resurrection(s). Josephus never discusses any resurrection, just a ton of dead bodies. He does record troops and chariots in the sky in 66 AD and so does secular historian Tacitus.Have you read any of Josephus? I avoided it for the longest time but once you start, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's like reading all the details behind the Olivet Discourse. Once anyone reads it, maybe even VCO and AHW, I don't know how you can come away not thinking that that was the great tribulation. But, they will never read it because they don't want to even consider they might be wrong.
AD 70 and what went on in AD 70 have NOTHING to do with prophecy other than Jerusalem was destroyed. Most of the bible prophets gave plenty of ACCURATE details on WHEN and HOW it would go down.
I'm sorry for the vent, but I just think it's utterly ridiculous to send someone OUTSIDE of the bible for prophecy... Do you sudy the book of Enoch too? I don't see any evidence that going extra biblical has ever benefitted anyone, it seems to do the opposite.
Nevertheless, the fact remains that Israel has everything prepared for the building of the temple. The Sanhedrin has been reconvened, all of the furniture for the temple such as the table of show bread, the incense holders, trumpets, the priests garments, etc., etc., are all in place. The priests have been learning the correct procedures for animal sacrifices and all the duties that they are to perform. It is going to happen regardless of peoples ideas.
This is the very purpose for the revealing of the antichrist when he establishes that covenant with Israel, which will allow her to build her temple on the temple mount. He is going to appease both Islam and Israel in regards to the one whom they have been waiting for. It was God's doing that Moshe Dayan relinquished control of the temple mount to Islam after the 6 day war, so that Israel would not build the temple before it was time.
The fact that the antichrist puts a stop to offerings and sacrifices in the middle of the seven years, demonstrates that there will be sacrifices and offering taking place during the first 3 1/2 years by Israel. This is exactly why the temple is currently ready to go.
I would suggest that you go and visit "the Temple Institute" website and fine out for yourself. This is not just a few wingnuts that are preparing for the temple.
This is the very purpose for the revealing of the antichrist when he establishes that covenant with Israel, which will allow her to build her temple on the temple mount. He is going to appease both Islam and Israel in regards to the one whom they have been waiting for. It was God's doing that Moshe Dayan relinquished control of the temple mount to Islam after the 6 day war, so that Israel would not build the temple before it was time.
The fact that the antichrist puts a stop to offerings and sacrifices in the middle of the seven years, demonstrates that there will be sacrifices and offering taking place during the first 3 1/2 years by Israel. This is exactly why the temple is currently ready to go.
I would suggest that you go and visit "the Temple Institute" website and fine out for yourself. This is not just a few wingnuts that are preparing for the temple.
AD 70 is outside of Daniels 70 weeks. Take a look, where do we see AD 70 in Daniels 70 weeks?
Daniel 9:24 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
I used to read things outside of scripture until I realized it was hindering my ability to accept the word EXACTLY as it was written.
Edit to add: I'm not saying that AD 70 wasn't prophetic, I'm saying it has nothing to do with understanding prophecy. I should have made clearer. I know Jerusalem is destroyed when Jesus came the first time, whether it was AD 70 or 170 it doesn't provide me with any insight.
Daniel 9:24 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
I used to read things outside of scripture until I realized it was hindering my ability to accept the word EXACTLY as it was written.
Edit to add: I'm not saying that AD 70 wasn't prophetic, I'm saying it has nothing to do with understanding prophecy. I should have made clearer. I know Jerusalem is destroyed when Jesus came the first time, whether it was AD 70 or 170 it doesn't provide me with any insight.
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Today has one thing, tomorrow will have another. Most Jews today are secular, a good portion of them are atheistic. I disagree with many of my premillennial friends with regards to how they interpret today's events in the light of Scripture. However, it's irrelevant to the discussion over whether the rapture is before, during or after the tribulation. Things may not change drastically in Israel for another 10 years, but 10 years isn't a long time. The modern nation of Israel isn't even 70 years old, and it was only a few years before that point where it looked like most of the world's Jewish population was close to extinction.
Things can change very fast, and if God, whose divine providence has been active since the beginning of all things, allowed the return of an autonomous Jewish state without reasons related to Biblical prophecy, we have to wonder why.
Things can change very fast, and if God, whose divine providence has been active since the beginning of all things, allowed the return of an autonomous Jewish state without reasons related to Biblical prophecy, we have to wonder why.
I have been to the website temple institute many times. It is just a few wingnuts, less than 1% of Jews want it.
Okay so you're saying the antichrist lets them build it, that makes sense to me, that would make the unlikely very likely.. Then he stops the sacrifices. All good.
The big burning question remains: during the time that sacrifices are made is it considered a good thing in the eyes of the Lord or not? Is the glory back in the temple during that time?
Okay so you're saying the antichrist lets them build it, that makes sense to me, that would make the unlikely very likely.. Then he stops the sacrifices. All good.
The big burning question remains: during the time that sacrifices are made is it considered a good thing in the eyes of the Lord or not? Is the glory back in the temple during that time?
Ok dispies, you guys say the "70th" week is future, where do you see the destruction of Jerusalem in Daniel 9:24?
AD 70 is outside of Daniels 70 weeks. Take a look, where do we see AD 70 in Daniels 70 weeks?
Daniel 9:24 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
AD 70 is outside of Daniels 70 weeks. Take a look, where do we see AD 70 in Daniels 70 weeks?
Daniel 9:24 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.