The Rapture

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J7

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Cool, it is a horse then.

So should we correctly be talking about:

"The 4 donkeys of the Apocalypse"


We could also have Winnie The Pooh as the 2nd beast of Revelation......(sorry, couldn't resist)
 
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Cool, it is a horse then.

So should we correctly be talking about:

"The 4 donkeys of the Apocalypse"


We could also have Winnie The Pooh as the 2nd beast of Revelation......
I think the more accurate term would be the 4 gospels of the Revelation.
 

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horse = cuwc

ass = chamowr

They are different though.
 

J7

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What do you mean by


"the 4 gospels of the Revelation".
 
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What do you mean by


"the 4 gospels of the Revelation".
The 4 horses are the house of Judah. Judah is the 4th son, from which Jesus literally came from and we come from him spiritually.

The 4 horses are the 4 gospels and Jesus rides all of them. It's the book of REVEALation, the gospels reveal Jesus.
 

J7

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interesting...

the man = Reuben
the Ox = Ephraim
The lion = Judah
The Eagle = Dan

They were the 4 standards at each point of the compass in the Israelite camp

The horse actually represents power I think
 
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Revelation 6:4 KJV
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Matthew 10:34-36 KJV
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

[36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
 
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interesting...

the man = Reuben
the Ox = Ephraim
The lion = Judah
The Eagle = Dan

They were the 4 standards at each point of the compass in the Israelite camp

The horse actually represents power I think
God said, speaking of the first coming of Christ:

Zechariah 10:3 KJV
Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the Lord of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle.

The spiritual house of Judah are the Christians.
 

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"Out of him came forth the corner(stone)"

House built on 4 corners
 
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Revelation 6:5-6 KJV
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

[6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

This one I'm sure of, it's either making the
Ezekiel 45:10 KJV
Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath.

Or it's the purchase price of the old testament saints.... and us too, the oil and the wine - new wine.
 

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It is basic justice isn't it?

Everything at the correct price, no extortion or price fixing.
 
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Revelation 6:7-8 KJV
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

[8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

The FOURTH part of the earth are the spiritual children of Judah.

Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 8:10 KJV
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
 
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Revelation 6:9-11 KJV
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

[10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were , should be fulfilled.


Daniel 12:1-2 KJV
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

[2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
 

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Death followed by the Grave:

This seems to relate to:
And I will kill her children with death;
 
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Revelation 6:12-14 KJV
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

The taking of the kingdom of God from Jerusalem.



Revelation 6:15-17 KJV
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The wrath of God upon earthly Jerusalem.... Ad 70.
 
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Revelation 6:12-14 KJV
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

The taking of the kingdom of God from Jerusalem.



Revelation 6:15-17 KJV
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The wrath of God upon earthly Jerusalem.... Ad 70.
Edit: not the actual wrath yet, but they knew it was about to come.
 

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People get confused with Matthew Chapters 24 - 25 because Jesus combined two separate sets of events into one discourse
One concerned events that happened within the generation he was addressing and the other during the time of his second coming. He did so because both sets have a number of things in common but not everything. Until one realizes this the arguments will continue
 
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It branches out too much after this, but the next step is to seal the saved Jews before the wrath comes. Anyway, you get the picture I think.... Loosing the seven seals has nothing to do with a 7 year peace treaty 2000 years in the future.

At the 7th seal, The Angel gives John a little book which in my opinion is the new testament cannon because the new testament UNSEALED the old testament.
 
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KJV1611 that is a great point. Zechariah 9 and Revelation 6 do correlate quite well.
I never understood why it is the antichrist either.
This whole deal about the antichrist and mark of the beast is very much hollywood. There have been tons of movies about these things.