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I'm not following you here sweet 16...:p
Psalm 139:14-16 KJV
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

[15] My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

[16] Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Is this talking about David or Christ? This is what I meant in the other post... yes Egypt is being talked about in Ezekiel at a specific time in the PAST but how much of that past event is prophetic of a future happening to spiritual Egypt - Israel.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

I'm sure I'm not doing a good job explaining this lol.
 

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There have been 4 Days of the Lord. Which one are you discussing? The Day of (God) is not the same as the Day of Christ.

Why do you keep bothering to post the false teaching that you were taught by a false teacher. You know we absolutely DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. Are you getting kicks out of continuous button pushing or what?
 

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I think David is speaking of himself in Psalms.

Check out Adam Clarke's commentary on this:

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/psalms-139.html


" yes Egypt is being talked about in Ezekiel at a specific time in the PAST but how much of that past event is prophetic of a future happening to spiritual Egypt - Israel.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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I believe Ezekiel's prophecy was completely filled and that Rev 11:8 is not related to it.
 
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I think David is speaking of himself in Psalms.

Check out Adam Clarke's commentary on this:

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/psalms-139.html


" yes Egypt is being talked about in Ezekiel at a specific time in the PAST but how much of that past event is prophetic of a future happening to spiritual Egypt - Israel.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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I believe Ezekiel's prophecy was completely filled and that Rev 11:8 is not related to it.
Then my logic doesn't make sense to you lol.
 

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God's truth's are hidden from the world and the only one's who will ever recieve His truth are the one's that believe every word of God is right.... that's just the way God chose it to be per John 14:23. This verse is in response to the question "how will you manifest yourself to us but not the world".

John 14:23 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Most KJV only believer's don't believe every word is right so they're not going to come to the truth. In fact MOST KJV only groups are truely cults that don't practice what they preach.

I really don't know what the KJV translators believed about anything so I can't speak to that.
CORRECT, but not every interpretation of the WORD is correct. I view a lot of what you say the WORD means by what it says as INCORRECT INTERPRETATION. And I know you view a lot of my posts as incorrect also. THE WHOLE POINT is that is why it is a NECESSITY to use the Berean Way of INTERPRETATION all the time.


Acts 17:11 (NCV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] These Jews were more willing to listen than the Jews in Thessalonica. The Bereans were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said and studied the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true.


They abandoned their presuppositions (after all this is Paul speaking and he is inspired by God), and TRUSTED THAT BY COMPARING SCRIPTURE TO OTHER SCRIPTURES ON THE SAME SUBJECT, GOD would not contradict Himself, THEREBY showing you the TRUTH. Every time we think we found a Contradiction, we KNOW we have misinterpreted at least ONE, if not BOTH of those verses.

I SEE a major Presupposition on your part that hinders how you interpret certain verses. THAT IS your presupposition that the KJV is the only GOD inspired Translation. You seem to be deliberately IGNORING the fact that according to the 1611 Translators, their work is nothing more than an improvement of earlier English Translations with KNOWN ERRORS; which makes it nothing more than good Paraphrase.

For example:

1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

THAT IS HOW THE PARAPHRASED KJV CAME OUT, however, when one goes back to original language manuscripts, it does not actually say that, exposing it as either an embellishment or an oversite by the Tranlation team of those Earlier English Translations with known errors, and this error was missed by the 1611 KJV Translators, because they DID NOT GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES and check it out. Granted their wording may be implied, but it Certainly was not what the Original GREEK actually said.


1 John 5:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that testify:
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.


NOW, at least the Young's Literal Translation, marked those questionable additions found in the KJV, as only comments added by the Interpretors, by placing those words in italics.


1 John 5:7-8 (YLT)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these--the three--are one;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and three are who are testifying in the earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.


Whether failing to put those words in italics was an Oversite, or a deliberate Embellishment, is NOT THE POINT. The Point is, whenever you set out to PARAPHRASE a Bible Translation, instead of going back to the Original Languages, you run the risk of just copying unknown ERRORS in the older Translation that you are Paraphrasing.
 
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CORRECT, but not every interpretation of the WORD is correct. I view a lot of what you say the WORD means by what it says as INCORRECT INTERPRETATION. And I know you view a lot of my posts as incorrect also. THE WHOLE POINT is that is why it is a NECESSITY to use the Berean Way of INTERPRETATION all the time.


Acts 17:11 (NCV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] These Jews were more willing to listen than the Jews in Thessalonica. The Bereans were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said and studied the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true.


They abandoned their presuppositions (after all this is Paul speaking and he is inspired by God), and TRUSTED THAT BY COMPARING SCRIPTURE TO OTHER SCRIPTURES ON THE SAME SUBJECT, GOD would not contradict Himself, THEREBY showing you the TRUTH. Every time we think we found a Contradiction, we KNOW we have misinterpreted at least ONE, if not BOTH of those verses.

I SEE a major Presupposition on your part that hinders how you interpret certain verses. THAT IS your presupposition that the KJV is the only GOD inspired Translation. You seem to be deliberately IGNORING the fact that according to the 1611 Translators, their work is nothing more than an improvement of earlier English Translations with KNOWN ERRORS; which makes it nothing more than good Paraphrase.

For example:

1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

THAT IS HOW THE PARAPHRASED KJV CAME OUT, however, when one goes back to original language manuscripts, it does not actually say that, exposing it as either an embellishment or an oversite by the Tranlation team of those Earlier English Translations with known errors, and this error was missed by the 1611 KJV Translators, because they DID NOT GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES and check it out. Granted their wording may be implied, but it Certainly was not what the Original GREEK actually said.


1 John 5:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that testify:
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.


NOW, at least the Young's Literal Translation, marked those questionable additions found in the KJV, as only comments added by the Interpretors, by placing those words in italics.


1 John 5:7-8 (YLT)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these--the three--are one;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and three are who are testifying in the earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.


Whether failing to put those words in italics was an Oversite, or a deliberate Embellishment, is NOT THE POINT. The Point is, whenever you set out to PARAPHRASE a Bible Translation, instead of going back to the Original Languages, you run the risk of just copying unknown ERRORS in the older Translation that you are Paraphrasing.
why dont u like the kjv? i think its God's word translated for english people, prove me wrong.
original languages hasnt helped much look at all these new translations that come out supposedly from older manuscripts like niv and message. wowee. why are da new translations still so different when using da original manuscripts? because u need to make changes to get a copyright on it, a certain percentage must change to get that dollar. thats why they keep making these new translations.
atleast kjv was translated by men of God. the translations commitees in some not all but some translations are questionable people
 

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I know, right? Like CNN is a news channel, LOL:cool:
I know, I can hear their twist on the news report. "Today, we finally got rid of those pesky Two Witnesses, and it appears they were aliens, and their Mothership revived them, and beamed them up."

The reason I said CNN instead of FOX News, is there is a good chance that most of the Fox News crew will probably be Caught Up to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven with the rest of us Wise Virgins of the Bride, prior to the Two Witnesses ever coming on the scene. I suspect that by examining their fruit, most of the CNN crew will still be here.
 

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"there is a good chance that most of the Fox News crew will probably be Caught Up to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven with the rest of us Wise Virgins of the Bride, prior to the Two Witnesses ever coming on the scene.:





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I'm probably the one being stupid lol. I just don't think anything CAME at the transfiguration. What was different about Jesus after the trasfiguration than was before it?
Nothing came. I understand it as Jesus showing the disciples what his 2nd Coming would be like
 

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"there is a good chance that most of the Fox News crew will probably be Caught Up to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven with the rest of us Wise Virgins of the Bride, prior to the Two Witnesses ever coming on the scene.:





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In the last days, Scoffers will come, and here you are. I know most of them claim to be Christians, but even Jesus said the MANY are on the wrong road, while only the FEW came through the Narrow Gate. But if any NEWS MEDIA goes out of business because of the Rapture, I would like to think it will be Fox News, because of testimonies like these:


Kirston Powers

She’s the intelligent, gorgeous, Democratic commentator at Fox News who has been an atheist for much of her life until she says she had a personal encounter with Jesus.
It was in 2006 during an overseas trip that Kirsten Powers says, “I woke up in what felt like a strange cross between a dream and reality. Jesus came to me and said, ‘Here I am.'”
“It felt so real. I didn’t know what to make of it,” Powers explains in Christianity Today. “I called my boyfriend, but before I had time to tell him about it, he told me he had been praying the night before and felt we were supposed to break up. So we did. Honestly, while I was upset, I was more traumatized by Jesus visiting me.
“I tried to write off the experience as misfiring synapses, but I couldn’t shake it. When I returned to New York a few days later, I was lost. I suddenly felt God everywhere and it was terrifying. More important, it was unwelcome. It felt like an invasion. I started to fear I was going crazy.”
In a Fox News Channel interview with Howard Kurtz, Powers explained the revelation to her “wasn’t a one-moment-kind-of-thing. It was something that over a year probably of going to church and studying the Bible and a lot of different things.
“And I had this experience where I had a dream that sort of up-ended my world a little bit and that I, at first, just thought was just a dream, you know, because I didn’t really believe in things like that. And maybe it was just a dream, I don’t know, but it put me on a path of then sort of seeking out to learn more about it. I ended up in a Bible study and the rest is sort of history.”




(Photo: Gretchen Carlson)

Carlson:

Fox News anchor: I didn't know it was criminal to be a Christian.
. . . in the news business I'm reporting on stories of religious freedom under attack in society, whether it's a lawsuit to take GOD off of our money, or out of the Pledge of Allegiance, or not allowing a graduating senior to say the word "God" in a graduation speech.

etc.

I know at least in every crowd of people calling themselves Christians, AT LEAST 50%, if not way more, are only fooling themselves. That is because being a Genuine CHRISTIAN is NOT acknowledging who Jesus is, but RATHER knowing Him intimately and personally, willingly out of LOVE submitting to HIS LORDSHIP.

HOWEVER, I see no other major NEWS MEDIA standing up for Christian Rights.








 

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why dont u like the kjv? i think its God's word translated for english people, prove me wrong.
original languages hasnt helped much look at all these new translations that come out supposedly from older manuscripts like niv and message. wowee. why are da new translations still so different when using da original manuscripts? because u need to make changes to get a copyright on it, a certain percentage must change to get that dollar. thats why they keep making these new translations.
atleast kjv was translated by men of God. the translations commitees in some not all but some translations are questionable people

I didn't say I do not like it, it is probably the Best Paraphrase Version of the Bible, but IT IS NOT A LITERAL TRANSLATION, the 1611 Translators said so. To read the whole PREFACE, the link is at the Bottom of this, the blue type is my added comments:


1611 Original KJV PREFACE

The Translators To The Reader

Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
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But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .

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Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
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(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
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There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
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And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
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Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
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to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
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Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us.
{ The very same thing many KJO Believers want to do to MODERN Translations. }
For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
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But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of
Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }

http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm
 

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I think David is speaking of himself in Psalms.

Check out Adam Clarke's commentary on this:

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/psalms-139.html


" yes Egypt is being talked about in Ezekiel at a specific time in the PAST but how much of that past event is prophetic of a future happening to spiritual Egypt - Israel.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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I believe Ezekiel's prophecy was completely filled and that Rev 11:8 is not related to it.

Here are three better commentaries:

11:2 court which is outside. The court of the Gentiles, separated from the inner court in the Herodian temple by a low wall. Gentiles were forbidden to enter the inner court on penalty of death. That John is instructed not to measure the outer court symbolizes God’s rejection of the unbelieving Gentiles who have oppressed His covenant people. tread the holy city underfoot. Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome all oppressed Jerusalem in ancient times (cf. 2 Kin. 25:8-10; Ps. 79:1; Isa. 63:18; Lam. 1:10). This verse refers to the future devastating destruction and oppression of Jerusalem by the forces of the Antichrist. forty-two months. This three-and-one-half-year period covers the second half of the Tribulation and coincides with the visibly evil career of the Antichrist (v. 3; 12:6; 13:5). During this same time, the Jews will be sheltered by God in the wilderness (12:6, 14).
11:3 two witnesses. Individuals granted special power and authority by God to preach a message of judgment and salvation during the second half of the Tribulation. The OT required two or more witnesses to confirm testimony (cf. Deut. 17:6; 19:15; Matt. 18:16; John 8:17; Heb. 10:28), and these two prophets will be the culmination of God’s testimony to Israel: a message of judgment from God and of His gracious offer of the gospel to all who will repent and believe. one thousand two hundred and sixty days. Forty-two months or three and one-half years (cf. 12:6; 13:5; see note on v. 2). sackcloth. Coarse, rough cloth made from goat or camel hair. Wearing garments made from it expressed penitence, humility, and mourning (cf. Gen. 37:34; 2 Sam. 3:31; 2 Kin. 6:30; 19:1; Esth. 4:1; Isa. 22:12; Jer. 6:26; Matt. 11:21). The witnesses are mourning because of the wretched wickedness of the world, God’s judgment on it, and the desecration of the temple and the holy city by the Antichrist.
11:4 This imagery is drawn from Zechariah 3 and 4 (see notes there). Zechariah’s vision had both a near fulfillment (the rebuilding of the temple by Joshua and Zerubbabel) and a far future fulfillment (the two witnesses, whose ministry points toward Israel’s final restoration in the millennium). two olive trees and the two lampstands. Olive oil was commonly used in lamps; together, the olive trees and lampstands symbolize the light of spiritual revival. The two witnesses’ preaching will spark a revival, just as Joshua’s and Zerubbabel’s did in Israel after the Babylonian captivity.
11:5, 6 While it is impossible to be dogmatic about the identity of these two witnesses, several observations suggest they might be Moses and Elijah: (1) like Moses, they strike the earth with plagues, and like Elijah, they have the power to keep it from raining; (2) Jewish tradition expected both Moses (cf. Deut. 18:15-18) and Elijah (cf. Mal. 4:5, 6) to return in the future (cf. John 1:21); (3) both Moses and Elijah were present at the Transfiguration of Jesus, the preview of Christ’s Second Coming; (4) both Moses and Elijah used supernatural means to provoke repentance; (5) Elijah was taken up alive into heaven, and God buried Moses’ body where it would never be found; and (6) the length of the drought the two witnesses bring (three and one-half years; cf. v. 3) is the same as that brought by Elijah (James 5:17).
11:5 fire proceeds... and devours. This probably refers to literal fire. These two will be invincible during their ministry, protected by supernatural power. The false prophet will counterfeit this sign (13:3).
11:6 power to shut heaven. Miracles have often authenticated God’s messengers. Here, bringing a three-and-one-half-year drought (as did Elijah before them) will add immeasurable torment to those experiencing the worldwide disasters of the Tribulation—and exacerbate their hatred of the two witnesses. waters to turn them to blood. The earth’s water, already devastated by the effects of the second and third trumpets, will become undrinkable, adding immensely to the suffering caused by the drought.
11:7 the beast. The first of thirty-six references to this person in Revelation, who is none other than the Antichrist (see ch. 13). That he will ascend out of the bottomless pit indicates that his power is satanic. kill them. Their ministry completed, God will withdraw the two witnesses’ supernatural protection. The beast will then be able to accomplish what many had died trying to do.
11:8 bodies will lie in the street. Refusing to bury one’s enemies was a way to dishonor and show contempt for them (cf. Acts 14:19). The OT expressly forbids this practice (Deut. 21:22, 23). the great city. Identifying Jerusalem as a city like Sodom and Egypt emphasizes the city’s wickedness. Its Jewish population will apparently be the focus of the witnesses’ ministry, leading to the conversions of verse 13.
11:9 three-and-a-half days. The entire world will watch (undoubtedly on the latest form of visual media) and glorify the Antichrist as the bodies of the dead prophets who have been killed begin to decay.
11:10 rejoice... make merry... send gifts. Wild with joy over the death of their tormentors, those who dwell on the earth (a phrase used eleven times in Revelation to speak of unbelievers) will celebrate the two witnesses’ deaths as a holiday.
11:11 breath of life from God entered them. The festivities, however, are short-lived as God vindicates His faithful witnesses by resurrecting them.
11:12 ascended to heaven in a cloud. Some may wonder why God will not allow them to preach, assuming their message would have more force following their resurrection. But that ignores Christ’s clear statement to the contrary (Luke 16:31). enemies saw them. Those who hated and dishonored the two witnesses will watch their vindication.

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.
11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit will kill them. This beast seems to be the same as the one in 13:8—the head of the revived Roman Empire.
11:8 The dead bodies of the witnesses lie in the street of Jerusalem for three and one half days. Jerusalem is here called Sodom because of its pride, indulgence, prosperous ease, and indifference to the needs of others (see Ezek. 16:49). And it is called Egypt because of its idolatry, persecution, and enslavement to sin and unrighteousness.
11:9 People from all nations view their dead bodies but do not allow them to be buried, a tremendous indignity in almost all cultures.
11:10 Great rejoicing breaks out because their unpopular prophecies have been silenced, and people exchange gifts, much as they do today at Christmas time. The only prophets people love are dead ones.
11:11, 12 After the three-and-a-half days,... God raises them from the dead, much to the consternation of the populace, and takes them to heaven as their enemies watch.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them [Rev. 11:7].

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the wild beast that cometh up out of the abyss, shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
The witnesses will finish their testimony. In the midst of the week, the Antichrist, who is the Beast, the Man of Sin who is moving to power, will bring back first the Roman Empire. Then, when he gets the whole world under his control, he will not hesitate to overcome and destroy these two witnesses. At that time he will be permitted to do so. This is the temporary victory of darkness over light, evil over righteousness, hell over heaven, and Satan over God, because God is going to let Satan loose during this period.
These witnesses live up to their name. Martus is the Greek word for "witness"; we get our English word martyr from that.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified [Rev. 11:8].

And their dead bodies (carcasses) shall lie upon the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
These men are not given even a decent burial. This reveals the crude, cold barbarism of the last days which will be covered with but a thin veneer of culture. There is a strange resemblance to the sadistic curiosity which placed two dead men, Lenin and Stalin, on display in Red Square in Moscow. They have removed Stalin, but at this writing Lenin is still there, and I understand that that body is beginning to deteriorate.
The word used for bodies (carcasses) denotes the contempt and hatred the world will have for the two witnesses. They are treated as dead animals.
"The great city" is Jerusalem. It is likened unto Sodom by Isaiah (see Isa. 1:10). It is called Egypt because the world has entered into every fiber of its life -- social and political. It is conclusively identified as Jerusalem by the sad designation, "where also their Lord was crucified."
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves [Rev. 11:9].

And out of the peoples, and tribes, and tongues, and nations do some gaze upon their dead bodies (carcasses) three days and one half and shall not permit their dead bodies (carcasses) to be put in a tomb.
After Christ was crucified, even Pilate permitted His friends to take down the body and give it a respectable burial, but not so with the two witnesses. The world will be startled to hear they are dead. Some will be skeptical. Apparently, this future generation will have something that corresponds to a television camera, and a satellite will carry the picture all over the world, so that people everywhere will be able to look upon the features of these men for three and one-half days. The morbid curiosity of a godless society will relish the opportunity of gazing with awe upon these dead bodies. This is the worst indignity that a depraved world could vent upon the men who denounced them and their wicked ways. Perhaps the witnesses had predicted their resurrection. We are not told that, but they might have. To prevent the possibility of another empty tomb, there was no burial. They will decide to just leave the bodies out there and keep the camera on them. I think all the television networks will have their cameras trained on these dead men. Three and one-half days they are lying there.
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth [Rev. 11:10].

And the dwellers upon the earth rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented (vexed) the dwellers on the earth.
The death of the two witnesses is an occasion for high carnival on the earth. The world engages in a modern Christmas and Mardi Gras, both rolled into one. The world has adopted the philosophy, "Let us eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die." Dr. Newell describes it like this: "Now comes the real revelation of the heart of man: glee, horrid, insane, inhuman, hellish, ghoulish glee!"
"And shall send gifts one to another" indicates a lovely occasion on the surface, but this is the Devil's Christmas. The modern celebration of Christmas gets farther and farther from the birth of Christ and closer and closer to paganism. The day will come when it will be anti-Christian -- it is almost that now. Here is the celebration of what Antichrist has done instead of the celebration of the coming of Christ to Bethlehem.
Then something happens --
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them [Rev. 11:11].

And after the three days and a half the breath (spirit) of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
While the world is celebrating in jubilation the death of these witnesses and while the television cameras are focused upon them, the witnesses will stand on their feet. And all of the networks will regret that they had their cameras pointed to them, because they will not really want to give the news as it is. The scriptural word for resurrection is used here -- the Greek word histeme -- "they stood upon their feet." These witnesses are among the Tribulation saints who have part in the first resurrection (see Rev. 20:4-6). Any news like this would be a scoop, but I am sure that all of the networks will have their cameras on it. By that time they may well have some new gadget which will make television, as we know it, look very much antiquated and out of place.
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them [Rev. 11:12].

And they heard a great voice out of heaven saying to them, Come up here, and they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.
They are caught up into heaven. We have the resurrection of the two witnesses in verse 11; we have the ascension of the two witnesses in verse 12. The cloud of glory is associated with the ascension and the coming of Christ also.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.
 

Nehemiah6

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I didn't say I do not like it, it is probably the Best Paraphrase Version of the Bible, but IT IS NOT A LITERAL TRANSLATION, the 1611 Translators said so.
This is probably one of the wildest accusations to have been hurled at the KJV -- "the Best Paraphrase Version". I'm sure the KJV translators would be rolling on the floor laughing if they were alive right now.

You have either misunderstood or misinterpreted their Preface to suit your own agenda. But if the KJV were a mere paraphrase, it would have been heaved out a long time ago. So let's go back to their Preface and see that the KJV was not a mere paraphrase but was meant to be THE BEST of many good translations:

But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief what we proposed to ourselves, and what course we held in this our perusal and survey of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of Dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk; but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark. To that purpose there were many chosen, that were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and that sought the truth rather than their own praise.
 
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Locutus

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Shirley Temple following/promoting Vernon McGee....no wonder he's confused....


Yer'd be better off following....


 

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