The Rapture

[VCO]

lol, Joel 2:1,,,"for the day of the Lord cometh it is Neigh At Hand"...

In the Hebrew mindset, DAY can be a huge period of time.

For Example:

In the DAY of NOAH, would cover His whole lifespan.

In the Day of the Babylonians, would cover the entire period of time that they RULED as the MAJOR POWER on Earth.

Thus this expression, "the day of the Lord" could refer to the Entire Period HE became personally involved in what goes on here on Earth. From HIS birth clean through the End of HIS Millenial Reign, and perhaps even on into Eternity.

 

[Bladerunner]

To the historicist,when road blocks are reached,they spiritualize them away. (literally make stuff up)

But actually,their doctrine prohibits Israel as a nation and people from being real. Their doctrine declares them as fake,therefore,in their minds,they are fake.

It's called "painting oneself into a "spiritual" corner." Or more appropriately,not thinking through before taking a position.

Like the RCC preterist and others are anti-semitic. They take Israel out of the picture...Of course it is Satans plan because if he can disrupt any prophecy or the Bible, He wins.

On a even more dangerous note: in Genesis 12:2-3....Abram was called by GOD and "2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

The doctrine of replacement theology (no matter what other form Church or denomination it is in,,,,,,You will be Cursed.according to God's WORD Simple as that.

But then they also throw the WORD of God out the window and choose which books are to be read. I think it is both sad and unbelievable.

Unbelievable that with the FREE WILL God gave them, they choose a course that calls God a Liar! Blasphemy by changing adding to and subtracting from the source of God's WOrd...the Holy Bible. Some very bad Pooh! going on here.

Sad in that by their own actions and God's own Words, these (believers in this doctrine) already carry a curse upon them.

Have a great day 'heartofDavid'

 

[MattforJesus]

The truth is Israel as a nation has to accept Jesus as their Messiah,before God can continue on with His plan beyond that point.

But God will see to it by sending them 2 witnesses.

There will peace established in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated,and the Gentile nations will come together and try to achieve peace on earth.

Everything will be straightened concerning Israel,whether people say there are imposters,or some go by the occult,or whatever they say concerning Israel,and the Jews,or so called Jews.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Israel,and put them on their land,and leave none of them in the nations,with the peace treaty in the future,and they will see to it,so the Jews and Gentiles are separated,so the Jews are all in one spot,because they eventually mean it for bad,but God means it for good.

 

[Bladerunner]

Please be careful. That's not what Paul says that the Man of Sin does. The Bible is so precise. It's within 0.0001 +/- .00001 mm. Now that's a tight tolerance!!

Here's the text.

the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

1) Man of Sin is revealed
2) He opposes and exalts himself above all called God or is worshiped
3) He sits as God in the Temple of God
4) Showing himself that he is God

He never states verbally that he is God. He sits in the Temple and allows himself to be worshiped as God above everything else.

Exalt: to raise in rank, honor, power, character, quality, etc.; elevate


Now here's what Josephus says:

War 6.6.1: 1. AND now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy.

So we have sacrifices and worship to the image of Vespasian and Titus (the ensigns bear their graven images in 3D).

And we have a declaration that Titus is imperator.

Imperator:

1. an absolute or supreme ruler.


2. (in Imperial Rome) emperor.





Titus accepts all this praise and worship from his men. Are we getting close? Can you at least see that this is starting to line up? Keep in mind, Titus was the only Roman emperor to stand in the Temple and have people worship him. That clue is HUGE. But there is more. This happens about a week later so Titus is still in the Temple complex as the foreign conquering king. The remaining priests who opposed the war and were loyal to Rome came to Titus to beg for their lives. They were deceived in their minds that Titus was there to rescue them as loyal subjects of Rome.

Titus gives them a long speach about how great and powerful Rome is compared to all other nations. Then says this: On the fifth day afterward, the priests that were pined with the famine came down, and when they were brought to Titus by the guards, they begged for their lives; but he replied, that the time of pardon was over as to them, and that this very holy house, on whose account only they could justly hope to be preserved, was destroyed; and that it was agreeable to their office that priests should perish with the house itself to which they belonged. So he ordered them to be put to death.

us Romans which hath excited you against us; who, in the first place, have given you this land to possess; and, in the next place, have set over you kings of your own nation; and, in the third place, have preserved the laws of your forefathers to you, and have withal permitted you to live...you turned your too great plenty against those that gave it you, and, like merciless serpents, have thrown out your poison against those that treated you kindly...And now, vile wretches, do you desire to treat with me by word of mouth? To what purpose is it that you would save such a holy house as this was, which is now destroyed? What preservation can you now desire after the destruction of your temple? Yet do you stand still at this very time in your armor; nor can you bring yourselves so much as to pretend to be supplicants even in this your utmost extremity. O miserable creatures! what is it you depend on? Are not your people dead? is not your holy house gone? is not your city in my power?

So Titus acts as God, in place of God taking credit for giving them their land and establishing their kings. He also decides who lives and dies. Is there anything more God-like?

Please be careful. That's not what Paul says that the Man of Sin does. The Bible is so precise. It's within 0.0001 +/- .00001 mm. Now that's a tight tolerance!!

Here's the text.

the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [/COLOR][SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

1) Man of Sin is revealed
2) He opposes and exalts himself above all called God or is worshiped
3) He sits as God in the Temple of God
4) Showing himself that he is God

He never states verbally that he is God. He sits in the Temple and allows himself to be worshiped as God above everything else.

Exalt: to raise in rank, honor, power, character, quality, etc.; elevate

Care to give the book and verses.....I don't use the same version as you do so a lookup takes too much time.

Now here's what Josephus says:

War 6.6.1: 1. AND now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy.

So we have sacrifices and worship to the image of Vespasian and Titus (the ensigns bear their graven images in 3D).

And we have a declaration that Titus is imperator.

Imperator:

[/SIZE] 1. an absolute or supreme ruler.


2. (in Imperial Rome) emperor.


first of all Titus Vespasian was a prince... Prior to the Battle of Jerusaelm, His Father the emperor died and left Titus Flāvius Caesar Vespasiānus Augustus as Emperor. It is fine that they sacrificed or worshipped their Idols at the Gates of Jerusalem but that is NOT,,I SAY NOT the 'Abomination of Desolate ' the Bible speaks of.. You are way off base here. The AoD has to be in the HOLy of Holies. Now for sure the war made Jerusalem 'DESOLATE' but that is totally different.

Therefore the rest of the post is irrelevant

Nice try though.....You best bet is to thoroughly read the Book of Daniel and all of Revelation using a literal hermeneutics with both eyes toward the History of the area. Try not to symbolize everything or else you will fall in the same trap you are in. Rem there are some 200 different types of sentence structure used in the Bible. Many are in Revelation as you already know.

It is not too late to get it right.......and Yes, if you are a preterist, your religion is false. Period







Have a great day!

 

[Locutus]

The old worn out anti-semtic refrain of the doctrinally challenged....

There is no distinction between Jews, or the descendants of ancient Israel or the other nations. ALL enter in through Christ to become part of God's temple:

John 10:1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD of hosts.

All fulfilled in Christ's temple his church.

 

[Bladerunner]

The old worn out anti-semtic refrain of the doctrinally challenged....

There is no distinction between Jews, or the descendants of ancient Israel or the other nations. ALL enter in through Christ to become part of God's temple:

John 10:1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD of hosts.

All fulfilled in Christ's temple his church.

I knew a preacher once that like you gave verses to do his talking instead of simply explaining his position.

 

[VCO]

I knew a preacher once that like you gave verses to do his talking instead of simply explaining his position.

Now Blade you know I resemble that remark, and Locutus is NOTHING like me.

When I see that a verse means LITERALLY what it says, simple IS JUST POSTING THE VERSE.

 

[PlainWord]

In the Hebrew mindset, DAY can be a huge period of time.

For Example:

In the DAY of NOAH, would cover His whole lifespan.

In the Day of the Babylonians, would cover the entire period of time that they RULED as the MAJOR POWER on Earth.

Thus this expression, "the day of the Lord" could refer to the Entire Period HE became personally involved in what goes on here on Earth. From HIS birth clean through the End of HIS Millenial Reign, and perhaps even on into Eternity.

Except "Day of the Lord" in the OT is always divine judgment against a wicked nation, such as Egypt, Babylon, Edom and of course Israel.

 

[PlainWord]

Please be careful. That's not what Paul says that the Man of Sin does. The Bible is so precise. It's within 0.0001 +/- .00001 mm. Now that's a tight tolerance!!

Here's the text.

the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [/COLOR][SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

1) Man of Sin is revealed
2) He opposes and exalts himself above all called God or is worshiped
3) He sits as God in the Temple of God
4) Showing himself that he is God

He never states verbally that he is God. He sits in the Temple and allows himself to be worshiped as God above everything else.

Exalt: to raise in rank, honor, power, character, quality, etc.; elevate

Care to give the book and verses.....I don't use the same version as you do so a lookup takes too much time.

Now here's what Josephus says:

War 6.6.1: 1. AND now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy.

So we have sacrifices and worship to the image of Vespasian and Titus (the ensigns bear their graven images in 3D).

And we have a declaration that Titus is imperator.

Imperator:

[/SIZE] 1. an absolute or supreme ruler.


2. (in Imperial Rome) emperor.


first of all Titus Vespasian was a prince... Prior to the Battle of Jerusaelm, His Father the emperor died and left Titus Flāvius Caesar Vespasiānus Augustus as Emperor. It is fine that they sacrificed or worshipped their Idols at the Gates of Jerusalem but that is NOT,,I SAY NOT the 'Abomination of Desolate ' the Bible speaks of.. You are way off base here. The AoD has to be in the HOLy of Holies. Now for sure the war made Jerusalem 'DESOLATE' but that is totally different.

Therefore the rest of the post is irrelevant

Nice try though.....You best bet is to thoroughly read the Book of Daniel and all of Revelation using a literal hermeneutics with both eyes toward the History of the area. Try not to symbolize everything or else you will fall in the same trap you are in. Rem there are some 200 different types of sentence structure used in the Bible. Many are in Revelation as you already know.

It is not too late to get it right.......and Yes, if you are a preterist, your religion is false. Period







Have a great day!

LOL. You were just caught leaning. Back to the dugout my friend. "Holy Place" does not necessarily mean Holy of Holies. That's your opinion. Any place inside the temple gates are holy. Any foreigner who enters those gates is an abomination. Please do your homework. Even the Land is considered Holy, hence, "Holy Land."

Dan 9 states "people of the prince to come" and you're right, Titus was a Prince. Titus desolated the city. Titus used fire, hence "consummation." What else do you need?

 

[Muzungu256]

so u guys......... is the rapture happening today??????? because im outta brew yet again and ive got some things to do...... sekkluud boii what is the rapture happening, last time i checked it was imminent.......... anyoen got any fresh reports? imminent? today? what

 

[tanakh]

They want their red heifers, they need their red heifers and by Gosh, they're breeding their red heifers. Come to think of it, we had one on the farm when I was a kid.

Last I heard they cant produce one. They have tried but the last I heard the calf started sprouting white hairs and it has to be 100% red to be acceptable.

Another problem is that the High Priest has to be ritually pure. As the whole of Israels land is deemed impure its a problem
finding an uncontaminated Priest. I did read a dubious account of how children are being trained for the priesthood in places
resting on stilts. The idea is most bizarre to say the least. I would be interested to hear any sane factual update on the situation.

 

[Muzungu256]

Last I heard they cant produce one. They have tried but the last I heard the calf started sprouting white hairs and it has to be 100% red to be acceptable.

Another problem is that the High Priest has to be ritually pure. As the whole of Israels land is deemed impure its a problem
finding an uncontaminated Priest. I did read a dubious account of how children are being trained for the priesthood in places
resting on stilts. The idea is most bizarre to say the least. I would be interested to hear any sane factual update on the situation.

lol once they get the temple rolling its gonna be a trainwreck........ these priests will probably got no idea what to do since its been so long without a priesthood

 

[Locutus]

 

[Muzungu256]

yo can someone tell me whats the deal with the red heifer????????? is this a farm thread

 

[Locutus]

yo can someone tell me whats the deal with the red heifer????????? is this a farm thread

it's a bit like the big heiferlant in the room...


RED HEIFER (Heb. פָּרָה אֲדֻמָּה), the animal whose ashes were used in the ritual purification of persons and objects defiled by a corpse (Num. 19). While the English term heifer means a young cow that has not had a calf, the Bible (Num. 19:2) speaks simply of a cow (Heb. parah). The Bible prescribes that the red cow be without blemish (Heb. temimah), that it should have no defect (Heb. mum), and that it should never have been yoked (Num. 19:2). The first of these requirements applies also to burnt offerings (Lev. 1:3, 10), peace offerings (Lev. 3:1, 6), and sin offerings (Lev. 4:3). The second regulation, which applies to all sacrifices (Lev. 22:19, 21; Deut. 17:1), is explained in Leviticus 22:22. The third stipulation applies also to the calf whose neck is broken to atone for the bloodguilt of the unidentified manslayer (Deut. 21:3).

 

[VCO]

so u guys......... is the rapture happening today??????? because im outta brew yet again and ive got some things to do...... sekkluud boii what is the rapture happening, last time i checked it was imminent.......... anyoen got any fresh reports? imminent? today? what

The Rapture can happen at any moment, however IT WILL HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FATHER INSPECTS THE NEW DWELLING PLACE OUR BRIDEGROOM IS BUILDING FOR US, AND THE FATHER DETERMINES IT IS FINISHED. THAT IS THE MOMENT IN TIME WHEN OUR BRIDEGROOM WILL COME, SENDING THE ARCHANGEL AHEAD AFTER HE STOPS IN THE AIR, TO SHOUT, THEREBY CALLING OUT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB IN HEAVEN.


Matthew 24:36 (NCV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] “No one knows when that day or time will be, not the angels in heaven, not even the Son. Only the Father knows.


1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (NCV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What we tell you now is the Lord’s own message. We who are living when the Lord comes again will not go before those who have already died.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And those who have died believing in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] After that, we who are still alive will be gathered up
{Most versions say "caught up", that word in the Latin is "rapturo", which is where we get the word Rapture from.}
with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] So encourage each other with these words.

 

[J7]

The lunatic asylum need to take a roll call, one of the inmates is out

 

[Muzungu256]

its weird........... u quote matthew 24 and say "after the tribulation".......... and i was told thats to the jews not to christians and the gathering in verse 31 is also not the gathering of the church......... i was told its a mystery revealed only to paul the rapture that is....... not only is that weird that he would tell 12 disciples one thing and paul another but now VCO u just quoted matthew 24:36 saying no man knows the hour to prove the rapture is imminent??????? i thought it was a mystery revealed to paul.


sekkluud boi this is mad confusing. so is the rapture in matthew 24 or is it not??????? or does it depend on who u ask

 

[VCO]

The Rapture takes place at the end of time, then the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and the new earth

Luke 1:32 (ASV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Zechariah 14:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle {Rev. 19}, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.


Zechariah 14:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one.




Zechariah 14:10-12 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] All the land will be changed into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem; but Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin's Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's wine presses.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security. {The 144,00 will repopulate ISRAEL.}
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now this will be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. {That includes you, if you are a Survivor.}

Ezekiel 28:25-26 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their land which I gave to My servant Jacob.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "They will live in it securely; and they will build houses, plant vineyards and live securely when I execute judgments upon all who scorn them round about them. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God."'"

THERE IS A THOUSAND YEARS with JESUS CHRIST as KING of the Earth, Then the JUDGEMENT DAY, and all that is BEFORE THE ETERNAL STATE BEGINS.

Revelation 20:2-6 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


Revelation 20:10-15 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

 

[VCO]

Another huge white elephant for the ad70 view is the Jews ushered away and the earth swallowing the flood.

In the ad 70 model,no flood,no flying away,no Satan " knowing his time is short".

Hello???? You need the Jew protected,for your deal to get traction.
Instead,the Jews are all but wiped out.

Ad 70 is a NO GO. A misfire. You guys are shooting blanks.

Romans 1:21-22 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,