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Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
All you have to do is Google it foolish one. Do that before demanding proof and you will not look so foolish.
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
All you have to do is Google it foolish one. Do that before demanding proof and you will not look so foolish.
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Here is information about where the first and second temple was located and information about its destruction.
Second temple location
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rmk6_bIDMM
Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple
Destruction of the second temple
History Crash Course #35: Destruction of the Temple
Second temple location
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rmk6_bIDMM
Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple
Destruction of the second temple
History Crash Course #35: Destruction of the Temple
Brother Endoscopy,
Jesus is the 3rd temple for Christians.
He rules from the heavenly Jerusalem now and forever Heb 12:22-24, 22. That is the eternal throne of David.
We will be resurrected or meet Him in the air, but He is not returning to planet earth. The kingdom is on planet earth now. It will never be a land mass with borders
If there is ever another temple built, it will not serve Jesus, as the acceptance of the OT is forever dead Heb 9:1. We now have a heavenly sanctuary.
Jesus is the 3rd temple for Christians.
He rules from the heavenly Jerusalem now and forever Heb 12:22-24, 22. That is the eternal throne of David.
We will be resurrected or meet Him in the air, but He is not returning to planet earth. The kingdom is on planet earth now. It will never be a land mass with borders
If there is ever another temple built, it will not serve Jesus, as the acceptance of the OT is forever dead Heb 9:1. We now have a heavenly sanctuary.
Being obtuse are you You should understand that for the end times prophecies to come true a physical third temple HAS TO BE BUILT! The abomination that causes desolation has to be put in the Holy of Holies in the third temple.
Post 9323 has information about the second temple and where the third temple has to be built.
Post 9323 has information about the second temple and where the third temple has to be built.
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You have problems understanding the Bible by ignoring what it says.
Matthew 24
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Where will Jesus reignreign? Oops!! In Jerusalem here on earth.
Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
Matthew 24
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Where will Jesus reignreign? Oops!! In Jerusalem here on earth.
Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
Brother Endoscopy,
Thank you for helping me study.
Matthew 24
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Daniel 9:2, This whole chapter is about the destruction of Jerusalem (dest of Jeru.), and the coming of Jesus in His ministry, basically.
Dan 9:24- 27, The events that take place here all happen during the time period of the 70 weeks.
Jesus comes to confirm the covenant with Israel, is cut off in the middle of the week, and the covenant is ended by Israel when they reject the kingdom, as a result the gentiles enter in to the covenant.
The judgement on Jerusalem is made when the kingdom is rejected.
This covers all the events that are contained in the 70 weeks by 37 ad.
Then the Roman prince destroys the city in 70 ad.
Jesus causes the oblation to cease makes Jerusalem desolate by using the Roman armies.
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But now you want to take the abomination of desolation (AoD), which is shown in the context of events surrounding the ministry and death of Jesus and say something like, "No this event, the AoD, does not happen at that time, it happens over 1900 years later."
Then you say that the events surrounding the AoD must be duplicated again, the temple rebuilt, the priesthood renewed, sacrifices started, And maybe Jesus will come again and be cut off in the middle of the week again, then the Roman prince destroys the city again.....Brother, it has all already happened and been done by 37 ad.
The AoD is one reason why Jerusalem was destroyed by 70 ad. You want to say that everything in Daniel 9 was fulfilled by 70 ad, except this one event, the AoD, then, you say to fulfill the scripture, everything must be recreated exactly like the 70 week time line.
But Jesus already came and was cut off in the time line, you cannot recreate that event, it already happened. To make what you say to come true, you must eliminate the death of Jesus from the time line and the context, which results in a pick and choose interpretation.
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
The parallel verses of Lk 21:20-24, 24, shows that they flee from the sword, now they use guns and bombs, there won't be any fleeing this time.
17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
70 ad
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
70 ad-1967, The time from the dest of Jeru until the restoration of Israel to Jerusalem.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
This is talking about the natural branches, as is the whole context of this chapter, not the gentiles.
Unless the times of the gentiles (ToGs) were shortened, no natural branches would be alive.
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
False Christs before 70 ad.
27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
This shows that when Jesus comes to destroy Jerusalem in 70 ad., that He uses the Roman armies.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
After the dest of Jeru. in 70 ad., the dark ages, middle ages, until 1967. Israel is persecuted by the Roman beast.
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
When the trib is beginning to be over 70 ad-1967, gentile nations mourn to see Israel regathering to restore Jerusalem.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
The kingdom/church is growing, but the dest of Jeru judgment is about to happen.
34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The apostle John who was present when Jesus said these things lived to see Jerusalem destroyed, fulfilling this verse.
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Fulfilled at the 6th seal Rev 6:12 &14. The 6th seal shows the dest of Jeru, proven by Lk 23:30, Rev 6:16.
Where will Jesus reignreign? Oops!! In Jerusalem here on earth.
Not on planet earth. Heb 12:22, shows that the Jerusalem and Sion are in heaven. That is the eternal throne where Jesus rules right now and forever. We will meet Him in the air, but He is not returning to planet earth.
Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
Jesus rules in Jerusalem and on Mt Zion now. The old covenant had ordinances and a worldly sanctuary Heb 9:1, we look a
heavenly city. Jesus returns for the kingdom at the resur/rapt Rev 11:15, but then it is the last judgement and the end when death is destroyed 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
Thank you for helping me study.
Matthew 24
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Daniel 9:2, This whole chapter is about the destruction of Jerusalem (dest of Jeru.), and the coming of Jesus in His ministry, basically.
Dan 9:24- 27, The events that take place here all happen during the time period of the 70 weeks.
Jesus comes to confirm the covenant with Israel, is cut off in the middle of the week, and the covenant is ended by Israel when they reject the kingdom, as a result the gentiles enter in to the covenant.
The judgement on Jerusalem is made when the kingdom is rejected.
This covers all the events that are contained in the 70 weeks by 37 ad.
Then the Roman prince destroys the city in 70 ad.
Jesus causes the oblation to cease makes Jerusalem desolate by using the Roman armies.
--
But now you want to take the abomination of desolation (AoD), which is shown in the context of events surrounding the ministry and death of Jesus and say something like, "No this event, the AoD, does not happen at that time, it happens over 1900 years later."
Then you say that the events surrounding the AoD must be duplicated again, the temple rebuilt, the priesthood renewed, sacrifices started, And maybe Jesus will come again and be cut off in the middle of the week again, then the Roman prince destroys the city again.....Brother, it has all already happened and been done by 37 ad.
The AoD is one reason why Jerusalem was destroyed by 70 ad. You want to say that everything in Daniel 9 was fulfilled by 70 ad, except this one event, the AoD, then, you say to fulfill the scripture, everything must be recreated exactly like the 70 week time line.
But Jesus already came and was cut off in the time line, you cannot recreate that event, it already happened. To make what you say to come true, you must eliminate the death of Jesus from the time line and the context, which results in a pick and choose interpretation.
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
The parallel verses of Lk 21:20-24, 24, shows that they flee from the sword, now they use guns and bombs, there won't be any fleeing this time.
17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
70 ad
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
70 ad-1967, The time from the dest of Jeru until the restoration of Israel to Jerusalem.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
This is talking about the natural branches, as is the whole context of this chapter, not the gentiles.
Unless the times of the gentiles (ToGs) were shortened, no natural branches would be alive.
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
False Christs before 70 ad.
27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
This shows that when Jesus comes to destroy Jerusalem in 70 ad., that He uses the Roman armies.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
After the dest of Jeru. in 70 ad., the dark ages, middle ages, until 1967. Israel is persecuted by the Roman beast.
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
When the trib is beginning to be over 70 ad-1967, gentile nations mourn to see Israel regathering to restore Jerusalem.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
The kingdom/church is growing, but the dest of Jeru judgment is about to happen.
34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The apostle John who was present when Jesus said these things lived to see Jerusalem destroyed, fulfilling this verse.
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Fulfilled at the 6th seal Rev 6:12 &14. The 6th seal shows the dest of Jeru, proven by Lk 23:30, Rev 6:16.
Where will Jesus reignreign? Oops!! In Jerusalem here on earth.
Not on planet earth. Heb 12:22, shows that the Jerusalem and Sion are in heaven. That is the eternal throne where Jesus rules right now and forever. We will meet Him in the air, but He is not returning to planet earth.
Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
Jesus rules in Jerusalem and on Mt Zion now. The old covenant had ordinances and a worldly sanctuary Heb 9:1, we look a
heavenly city. Jesus returns for the kingdom at the resur/rapt Rev 11:15, but then it is the last judgement and the end when death is destroyed 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
Your eschatology is deluded with trying to make 70 AD into something it is NOT. Where is the throne of Jesus ruling the earth physically in Jerusalem? When did Jesus return causing the world to see him and tremble? Also note the highlighted verse. Where will the throne of Jesus be? Put this together with Isaiah. Both state the throne will be on earth in Jerusalem. Since Jesus is not ruling there your 70AD is flawed.
Revelation 21 New International Version (NIV)
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”
Revelation 21 New International Version (NIV)
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”
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Brother Endoscopy,
Thanks for helping me study.
Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21, center on the dest of Jerusalem by 70 ad.
This is shown in Lk 21:20-24, 24, as they use swords instead of guns and bombs. This is history.
This will not happen. Jesus rules now and forever from the eternal throne of David, at the top of Mt Zion in heaven right now Heb 11:22.
The kingdom/church is a spiritual kingdom and will not have a land mass with the gentile nations.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom,.....but you say that flesh and blood will inherit the kingdom? Flesh and blood will inherit the mill kingdom?
When the throne of Jesus is shown in His glory Rev 20:11, heaven and planet earth fly away from the throne.
At the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad. Israel saw Him, recognized His spirit, not the planet.
Jesus' throne is in the heavenly Jerusalem. The eternal throne will never be on planet earth.
Revelation 21 New International Version (NIV)
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”
The stone Dan 2, becomes the earth. If the stone is Jesus, then He is the new earth. The new living earth, the eternal dwelling place. God the Father is the new living heavens.
for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,
Planet earth and the universe fly away from His throne before this. There is no material world left, only spiritual.
and there was no longer any sea.
There is the sea (waters) before creation.
There is the physical/material/element seas.
There is the seas of the gentile nations, waters, Rev 17:15
There is the sea before the throne of God, between John and the throne Rev 4:6, Rev 15:2.
All of these "seas" are gone.
2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
The city is the living kingdom/church. Not a material city.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
In this heaven nothing that is not perfect can enter. This shows that no material/physical entity which changes by deterioration can exist there.
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”
Nothing impure can enter, so no materials that fall apart will be there, nothing that degrades, or deteriorates. It won't be on the planet earth.
Brother Endoscopy,
You say that I am wrong, but you fail to point to any specific place.
Could it be that you cannot disprove what I have said?
Show me where I am wrong, how else can we learn?
Do you think that a future battle for Jerusalem will be fought with swords? Lk 21:20-24, 24.
Jesus came and destroyed Jerusalem with the armies of Rome and Caesar, but it wasn't a resurrection coming. That resurrection has yet to take place, then it is the end where death is destroyed. 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
You say that I am wrong, but you fail to point to any specific place.
Could it be that you cannot disprove what I have said?
Show me where I am wrong, how else can we learn?
Do you think that a future battle for Jerusalem will be fought with swords? Lk 21:20-24, 24.
Jesus came and destroyed Jerusalem with the armies of Rome and Caesar, but it wasn't a resurrection coming. That resurrection has yet to take place, then it is the end where death is destroyed. 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
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I thought that was strange wording;
KJV
Is.24; 21-23....
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. (where did the new words come from in your edition of a bible?)
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
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To reviewers...this is how G-d's words are being manipulated/modified/ changed, etc. It started in the 1960's.
I thought that was strange wording;
KJV
Is.24; 21-23....
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. (where did the new words come from in your edition of a bible?)
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
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To reviewers...this is how G-d's words are being manipulated/modified/ changed, etc. It started in the 1960's.
Brother Locutus,
I have already stated that for Christians, Jesus is the third temple. Maybe you missed that. Mk 14:58, Jesus says that He is the temple.
I was simply saying that it is impossible for men to control God, by building a temple, or not building one.
If pre trib were true, then men could control when Jesus comes, and the AoD's coming, by building the temple or not building it.
The temple and city that are destroyed in Daniel 9 and Matt 24 are the 70 ad temple. yes?
I have already stated that for Christians, Jesus is the third temple. Maybe you missed that. Mk 14:58, Jesus says that He is the temple.
I was simply saying that it is impossible for men to control God, by building a temple, or not building one.
If pre trib were true, then men could control when Jesus comes, and the AoD's coming, by building the temple or not building it.
The temple and city that are destroyed in Daniel 9 and Matt 24 are the 70 ad temple. yes?
The Temples were types and shadows of the true Temple which is Heaven. Johns visions were that of the true Temple and the worship of God in that Temple. The New Jerusalem is a vision of that same true Temple of which we are living stones. Ezekiel is used as a kind of template for Revelation. There are a number of key passages that correspond to events in Revelation including a Temple towards the end of the book which is a type of the New Jerusalem found at the end of Revelation.
The Bible ends with the creation of a New Heaven and New Earth. The whole of Scripture flows in a forward direction from Eden onwards. The idea of another Temple complete with the OT Sacrificial system restored goes completely against this.Christ is our High priest. He is of the order of Melchizedek not Aaron so any Temple with an Aaronic Priesthood goes directly against everything he accomplished on our behalf.
The Bible ends with the creation of a New Heaven and New Earth. The whole of Scripture flows in a forward direction from Eden onwards. The idea of another Temple complete with the OT Sacrificial system restored goes completely against this.Christ is our High priest. He is of the order of Melchizedek not Aaron so any Temple with an Aaronic Priesthood goes directly against everything he accomplished on our behalf.