So i am curious to see everyones interpretations of scriptures speaking of apostasy or scripture leading to apostasy. This one idea if warned to believers is the core debate of free will.
Ephesians 2:8 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
The argument is people saying we are saved past tense but this same churched has some very serious warning in revelation.
Revelation 2:4-7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
4 But I have this against you: You have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember then how far you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. Otherwise, I will come to you[a] and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. 6 Yet you do have this: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 “Anyone who has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. I will give the victor the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in God’s paradise.
Either Paul contridicts himself in many different places or when he means persevere thats what he means.
1 Corinthians 9:25-27Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away. 26 Therefore I do not run like one who runs aimlessly or box like one beating the air. 27 Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under strict control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
I just cant help but wonder why all the training and worry about being disqualified if the crown is already won before the race.
I see faith as something we must remain in to receive the crown.
I see the warnings related to apostasy is toward believers. It would be redundant to warn believers from apostate teachers if they couldn't of been influenced because of eternal security.
Ephesians 2:8 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
The argument is people saying we are saved past tense but this same churched has some very serious warning in revelation.
Revelation 2:4-7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
4 But I have this against you: You have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember then how far you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. Otherwise, I will come to you[a] and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. 6 Yet you do have this: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 “Anyone who has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. I will give the victor the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in God’s paradise.
Either Paul contridicts himself in many different places or when he means persevere thats what he means.
1 Corinthians 9:25-27Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away. 26 Therefore I do not run like one who runs aimlessly or box like one beating the air. 27 Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under strict control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
I just cant help but wonder why all the training and worry about being disqualified if the crown is already won before the race.
I see faith as something we must remain in to receive the crown.
I see the warnings related to apostasy is toward believers. It would be redundant to warn believers from apostate teachers if they couldn't of been influenced because of eternal security.