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Hi Ceil: Is that a serious question? Do you know of the laughing movement? This Preacher was preaching on hell when something came over him( a spirit no doubt) and he begin to laugh(hell is not something to laugh about). Pretty soon it spread and the service just became a lot of folks laughing so hard that they were falling down. Anyway this Pastor went around putting his hands on folks so they could receive the same thing he had. In time it was all over the place, spread by people yielding and placing hands on them.
This is the same as "Do not give pearls to pigs"- they will just trample them underfoot. They won't be grateful, and it will not effect them. It is also the same as "If you go to a town to share the gospel, and they refuse to hear you, dust off your shoes and walk away." Don't waste your efforts on the wrong kind of hearts. Make sure they earnestly seek God, and are not there just for certain benefits. The danger is that that will tarnish your integrity, and you will reap the punishment for the tarnish.
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I would have to disagree with this. Where is the love in your statement? If someone is in need of praying for shouldn't we as Christians, out of love, lay our hands on them and pray for whatever need they may have? Why should I worry about my integrity? That is a very selfish statement and if I'm worried about that then I'm not walking in the footsteps of our Lord.
I'm sorry but I'm just a bit dumbfounded by your statement because it is a statement that is all about you and not about the person needing the prayer/laying on of hands and definitely not about God.
Understanding what you are reading would really, really help. This Scripture is speaking of VIOLENCE against another......"laying hands on them" to give 'em a butt whomping.........NOT to pray over them........goodness........
The rest of the discussion is MOOT if folks are talking about the Elders gathering around and laying on hands and praying over a new believer.............BECAUSE WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO DO SO!
Your Scripture is ABOUT GIVING SOMEONE A BUTT WHOMPING
The rest of the discussion is MOOT if folks are talking about the Elders gathering around and laying on hands and praying over a new believer.............BECAUSE WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO DO SO!
Your Scripture is ABOUT GIVING SOMEONE A BUTT WHOMPING
19) Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 .) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21 .) I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
22 .) Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
23 .) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
24 .) Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
25 .) Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
butt whomping was sarcasm.........but the concept is STILL the same......to not lay hands on someone suddenly......IT IS NOT SPEAKING OF THE PRAYING OVER.....
Don't care if you disagree or not...........common sense (if not understanding) reveals the truth of this Scripture..... goodness..........
20 .) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21 .) I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
22 .) Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
23 .) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
24 .) Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
25 .) Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
butt whomping was sarcasm.........but the concept is STILL the same......to not lay hands on someone suddenly......IT IS NOT SPEAKING OF THE PRAYING OVER.....
Don't care if you disagree or not...........common sense (if not understanding) reveals the truth of this Scripture..... goodness..........
No sense of humor.............or maybe just not familiar with Southern humor.........but, then, mayhaps you are too engaged in your "spiritual transformation?"
To each his own, but I am not sure I buy into the Celie De "all paths" ideology........but, to each his own.....
The Celtic Heart-Journey
Perhaps we can say the same for all traditions in the world, but certainly on the Celtic path, the story of the individual’s journey towards the One is reflected in the spiritual history of the people. But, with regard to our individual progression, rather than thinking of our history as being a linear movement from Pagan (magical, nature-oriented, many gods) to Christian (mystical, heaven-orientated, one god) the Ceile De view is that our journey is through a holistic series of worlds within worlds, leading towards unitive consciousness at the centre. It is possible to view these planes of consciousness as levels of awareness that co-exist within our psyches. Although we will inevitably as individuals have a natural disposition towards one, we will experience each of them at different stages on our journey… The ultimate goal is to live simultaneously in them all, but for one’s impelling force to come from the centre.
Céile Dé – A Living Celtic Spiritual Tradition | La Casa de Maria
It IS an interesting read however
The laying on of hands mentioned by Paul in his epistle to Timothy is not the same as thre laying on of hands in James letter regarding someone who is sick
when Simon the sorcereor saw that some had received the HOLY SPIRIT and asked Peter for THE SPIRIT, Peter wasn't concerned about how he might appear. And he seemed to be a bit selfish and uncaring, but he was prudent and discerning to say no
Simon the sorcerer asked Peter to pray for him. I'm sure he did but he did not lay hands on him for him to receive the HOLY SPIRIT
when Simon the sorcereor saw that some had received the HOLY SPIRIT and asked Peter for THE SPIRIT, Peter wasn't concerned about how he might appear. And he seemed to be a bit selfish and uncaring, but he was prudent and discerning to say no
Simon the sorcerer asked Peter to pray for him. I'm sure he did but he did not lay hands on him for him to receive the HOLY SPIRIT
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No sense of humor.............or maybe just not familiar with Southern humor.........but, then, mayhaps you are too engaged in your "spiritual transformation?"
To each his own, but I am not sure I buy into the Celie De "all paths" ideology........but, to each his own.....
The Celtic Heart-Journey
Perhaps we can say the same for all traditions in the world, but certainly on the Celtic path, the story of the individual’s journey towards the One is reflected in the spiritual history of the people. But, with regard to our individual progression, rather than thinking of our history as being a linear movement from Pagan (magical, nature-oriented, many gods) to Christian (mystical, heaven-orientated, one god) the Ceile De view is that our journey is through a holistic series of worlds within worlds, leading towards unitive consciousness at the centre. It is possible to view these planes of consciousness as levels of awareness that co-exist within our psyches. Although we will inevitably as individuals have a natural disposition towards one, we will experience each of them at different stages on our journey… The ultimate goal is to live simultaneously in them all, but for one’s impelling force to come from the centre.
Céile Dé – A Living Celtic Spiritual Tradition | La Casa de Maria
It IS an interesting read however
To each his own, but I am not sure I buy into the Celie De "all paths" ideology........but, to each his own.....
The Celtic Heart-Journey
Perhaps we can say the same for all traditions in the world, but certainly on the Celtic path, the story of the individual’s journey towards the One is reflected in the spiritual history of the people. But, with regard to our individual progression, rather than thinking of our history as being a linear movement from Pagan (magical, nature-oriented, many gods) to Christian (mystical, heaven-orientated, one god) the Ceile De view is that our journey is through a holistic series of worlds within worlds, leading towards unitive consciousness at the centre. It is possible to view these planes of consciousness as levels of awareness that co-exist within our psyches. Although we will inevitably as individuals have a natural disposition towards one, we will experience each of them at different stages on our journey… The ultimate goal is to live simultaneously in them all, but for one’s impelling force to come from the centre.
Céile Dé – A Living Celtic Spiritual Tradition | La Casa de Maria
It IS an interesting read however
Imagine if today's media and unfortunately some Christian circles were around then when they saw Jesus spitting in the eye of someone that was blind. What about when Jesus spit on the ground and made mud from His spit and then put that in people's eyes.
Here are the headlines:
"Minister spits into the eyes of a poor man" -
This can't be of God. God would never do something like that. God is a God of "decency and order".
I am fully convinced that if Jesus showed up again in this world - us religious people that call ourselves "Christin" would rip Him apart and bite and devour at Him and His ministry ( It goes against my church teachings and traditions - we have the word of God which is the same things the Pharisees said - we are children of Abraham and have the word of God ).
We would "gnash our teeth" at Him and put up websites dedicated to His "heresies".
We would put His picture up in every social media we could find and put devil horns on his head. We would go to the "Greek" to prove God wouldn't act like this. We would dress Him up in a wolf's face in a sheep's skin.
Selah....
Here are the headlines:
"Minister spits into the eyes of a poor man" -
This can't be of God. God would never do something like that. God is a God of "decency and order".
I am fully convinced that if Jesus showed up again in this world - us religious people that call ourselves "Christin" would rip Him apart and bite and devour at Him and His ministry ( It goes against my church teachings and traditions - we have the word of God which is the same things the Pharisees said - we are children of Abraham and have the word of God ).
We would "gnash our teeth" at Him and put up websites dedicated to His "heresies".
We would put His picture up in every social media we could find and put devil horns on his head. We would go to the "Greek" to prove God wouldn't act like this. We would dress Him up in a wolf's face in a sheep's skin.
Selah....
I see that a little differently. The authority to believe God is after no man. We have that authority in us but are never to reckon it could be of us. That would be to blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called heavenward.
The laying on of hands with hands representing a will is a ceremonial law used as a parable of the things not seen (the will of God). It represented God’s unseen approval .Ceremonial laws used as shadows and types pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow as the gospel preached in the Old Testament. We look back at that demonstration.
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what “manner of time” the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:9
The “manner of time” was the reformation spoken of in Hebrews 9. the shadows became substance.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the “time of reformation”. Heb 9:8
The use of hands does not bring the will of God .God is not served by human hands (will). In any way shape or form .But rather by a work of His faith working in us to both will and perform that which He appoints to us.
Seeking after outward signs as something(self righteousness) we could do outwardly causes a person to stumble over the cross. It’s what the apostate Jew sought after before they would believe. This shows they did not mix faith (Christ's) in what they did hear or see.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Co 1:22
The laying on of hands with hands representing a will is a ceremonial law used as a parable of the things not seen (the will of God). It represented God’s unseen approval .Ceremonial laws used as shadows and types pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow as the gospel preached in the Old Testament. We look back at that demonstration.
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what “manner of time” the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:9
The “manner of time” was the reformation spoken of in Hebrews 9. the shadows became substance.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the “time of reformation”. Heb 9:8
The use of hands does not bring the will of God .God is not served by human hands (will). In any way shape or form .But rather by a work of His faith working in us to both will and perform that which He appoints to us.
Seeking after outward signs as something(self righteousness) we could do outwardly causes a person to stumble over the cross. It’s what the apostate Jew sought after before they would believe. This shows they did not mix faith (Christ's) in what they did hear or see.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Co 1:22
Laying on of hands was a tradition when they prayed and gave a person a particular position in the church, some still do this today. When Paul said, do not lay hands on no man suddenly, he was simply saying, be very careful about placing a person in a position of authority in the church lest you end up placing a person in authority who is into sin and so bear responsibility for the wrong person being in authority.
