The True Signs of the End of the Age

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In Jn 1:1 God equates the word to himself and in Isa 45:15 it states that he is a God who hides himself. Also in Ps 78:2 it says there are secrets hidden and will be spoken in parables, which points to Jesus in Mt 13:34-35 speaking the hidden things since the "creation of the world". The creation of the world was in Genesis. In Isa 46:10 it says I make known the end (revelation) from the beginning (Genesis). Also in Mt 13 Jesus speaks about the kingdom of heaven in 6 parables and in verse 34-35 it says, he did not speak anything without using a parable to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet (Ps 78). So we can see that the answers are within God's word spoken through parables.

Knowing this, I want to show you something very interesting about the Sun, moon and stars. Many people think about these physically, but did you know that there is also a spiritual meaning? In Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

invisible qualities=his eternal power and divine nature

Thus…

God’s invisible qualities … have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made


God is telling us here that his "invisible qualities" have been clearly seen and understood from what has been made. So in short, we can see that God created physical things so that we can understand the spiritual things and are without an excuse.

So as for the Sun, moon and stars what does the bible say?

In Gen 37:9-10

Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

Joseph said that the Sun, moon and stars were bowing down to him and his father actually interprets the dream and says “Will your mother (moon) and I (Sun) and your brothers (11 stars) bow down before you?” The family of Jacob/Israel are the chosen people of God. Thus, the Sun, moon and stars spiritually refer to God's chosen people.

What about Mt 24:7 Famines, Earthquakes, Nation against nation and kingdom against Kingdom?

For the sake of length, I will only discuss famines.

In Amos 8:11

“The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign Lord,
“when I will send a famine through the land—
not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.


We see here that the famine is spiritual as well, meaning a lack of God's word.

From Jn10:35 we see that scriptures can't be broken. :)

Due to length I will stop here, but the deeper (spiritual) meanings do not stop there we still have earthquakes and Nation vs Nation and Kingdom vs. Kingdom.

If you are interested in learning more you can PM me.
 
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If you are interested in learning more you can PM m
If it's important and from the Lord... it's better to post publicly so others can scope it out
 
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If it's important and from the Lord... it's better to post publicly so others can scope it out
Ate you interested in learning more? The reason I said pm me was because this post was long (definitely longer than average).
 

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What about Mt 24:7 Famines, Earthquakes, Nation against nation and kingdom against Kingdom?

For the sake of length, I will only discuss famines.

In Amos 8:11

“The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign Lord,
“when I will send a famine through the land—
not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.


We see here that the famine is spiritual as well, meaning a lack of God's word.
NOT SO!

IT IS A LITERAL FAMINE!

DO NOT spiritualize end time prophecies or you end up with fantasy, half truths and down right lies!

They should be intrepreted LITERALLY!
 

MadebyHim

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These signs are seen daily literally, nature is freaking out, Bering Sea warming up getting rougher, and they still argue global warming. Many things going on literally as well as spiritually.
 

MadebyHim

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[SUP]17 [/SUP]But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And of some have compassion, making a difference:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1: 17-25



[SUP]1 [/SUP]Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Jude 1-2
 
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NOT SO!

IT IS A LITERAL FAMINE!

DO NOT spiritualize end time prophecies or you end up with fantasy, half truths and down right lies!

They should be intrepreted LITERALLY!
You can type your words in bold all you want. The fact of the matter here is that truth is not subjective it is objective. Meaning just because you have your thoughts, it doesn't mean that it's right. But for the sake of your argument let's speak in terms of your logic, that everything must be taken literally. In Rv 6 it says that the stars fall to the earth. Now we do know that a star is a hot ball of fire essentially. If just 1 fell to the earth, the earth would be destroyed and their would be nobody for Jesus to come back to.

Isa 55:8-9 says God's thoughts and ways are higher than our thoughts and ways. By you disagreeing with the word of God (Without one reference) you are calling God a liar. Please be careful :)
 
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A star in the bible meant any bright light in the sky that was not the sun or moon, and also referred to angels and also to Jesus.
 

NotmebutHim

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These discussions are always fun, aren't they? :D
 

Locutus

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"What about Mt 24:7 - Famines, Earthquakes, Nation against nation and kingdom against Kingdom?"
All those things happened in the 1st century AD - read about them in Josephus' Wars of the Jews:

The Works of Flavius Josephus

You also need to heed Jesus' words here:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL things which are written may be fulfilled.

 
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"What about Mt 24:7 - Famines, Earthquakes, Nation against nation and kingdom against Kingdom?"
All those things happened in the 1st century AD - read about them in Josephus' Wars of the Jews:

The Works of Flavius Josephus

You also need to heed Jesus' words here:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL things which are written may be fulfilled.

Idk what your point is here.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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These discussions are always fun, aren't they? :D
So many know it alls.. The division it causes just amazes me..

I love to talk about these things, But am unable because of all the heated discussions it causes..
 
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"What about Mt 24:7 - Famines, Earthquakes, Nation against nation and kingdom against Kingdom?"
All those things happened in the 1st century AD - read about them in Josephus' Wars of the Jews:

The Works of Flavius Josephus

You also need to heed Jesus' words here:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL things which are written may be fulfilled.

So we ignore what he said about great tribulation, being so severe. It was nothing like the earth had ever seen, Or will ever see again, So great that all flesh is at risk to being destroyed. So he himself has to return to put a stop to it?


Jesus also said in the end, those things would exponentially increase in number and severity (like birth pangs). As the end gets nearer.. And would I'm mediately precede that great tribulation.

So it is ongoing, not something that happened, then just stopped.

 
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So many know it alls.. The division it causes just amazes me..

I love to talk about these things, But am unable because of all the heated discussions it causes..
If you are able to find any fault according to the Bible and not your own thoughts, I welcome it. Whether here or on a video chat. If not, I can understand that too.
 
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If you are able to find any fault according to the Bible and not your own thoughts, I welcome it. Whether here or on a video chat. If not, I can understand that too.

The problem is we need to just be open to the fact we may be wrong. And not so set dead we are right no matter what, That is the issue which causes division and hate.

I think any prophesy must be fulfilled literally. Not spiritually, Prophesy is given to prove God is the one God, for only god can see future events before they happen. And predict them accurately. Spiritualisation, or making a sym,boric interpretation to me destroys this very purpose. Because I can make prophesy mean anything I really want, Just make an allegory or take a spiritualized interpretation. No one can prove me wrong.

But at this, I do would not say I am right in all my interpretations.. nor would I judge anyone's who disagrees.

And what I hate is people coming in showing a passage and says there you go, your wrong.. When as above, people did not take the whole passage..

Thats why I hate discussing this,, in this context. Because of all the know it alls. .
 

jb

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You can type your words in bold all you want. The fact of the matter here is that truth is not subjective it is objective. Meaning just because you have your thoughts, it doesn't mean that it's right. But for the sake of your argument let's speak in terms of your logic, that everything must be taken literally. In Rv 6 it says that the stars fall to the earth. Now we do know that a star is a hot ball of fire essentially. If just 1 fell to the earth, the earth would be destroyed and their would be nobody for Jesus to come back to.

Isa 55:8-9 says God's thoughts and ways are higher than our thoughts and ways. By you disagreeing with the word of God (Without one reference) you are calling God a liar. Please be careful :)
You obviously haven't taken the dire warning in Rev 22v18,19 seriously!

You add or take away from end time prophecy by reckless spiritualization and God Himself will deal with you!
 

Ahwatukee

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You can type your words in bold all you want. The fact of the matter here is that truth is not subjective it is objective. Meaning just because you have your thoughts, it doesn't mean that it's right. But for the sake of your argument let's speak in terms of your logic, that everything must be taken literally. In Rv 6 it says that the stars fall to the earth. Now we do know that a star is a hot ball of fire essentially. If just 1 fell to the earth, the earth would be destroyed and their would be nobody for Jesus to come back to.

Isa 55:8-9 says God's thoughts and ways are higher than our thoughts and ways. By you disagreeing with the word of God (Without one reference) you are calling God a liar. Please be careful :)

Hell Dave713,

The way in which the book of Revelation should be read is that, if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, your example above would be correct in that, a star hitting the earth would destroy it. Even if our own moon which is much smaller than a star were to come near to the earth, it would destroy it.

To everyone who lived during those times, everything in the sky except for the sun and moon, whether a meteorite, comet, asteroid, etc., was a star to the ancients. They did not have the classifications that we do now. Therefore, the stars hitting the earth would have to refer to meteorites hitting the atmosphere. In some cases, such as the 2nd trumpet, would most likely refer to and asteroid coming through the atmosphere.

That said, everything should be read as literal until the literal sense doesn't make sense. For example: "a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars." This should immediately alert the reader that this requires a symbolic interpretation. Same thing for the dragon with seven head and ten horns.

What should not be done, is to apply symbolism/allegories to everything in the book of Revelation, which is a current major problem. When people interpret in this manner, the meaning that God meant to convey is distorted.

So, the book of Revelation should be interpreted literally until a symbolic interpretation is warranted.


 
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So many know it alls.. The division it causes just amazes me..

I love to talk about these things, But am unable because of all the heated discussions it causes..
WHAAAT?!? Don't want to get in heated discussions?!?

Just who are you & what have you done with EG?

Never mind..... we'll just keep this guy.:p