The time of Jacob's troubles

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miknik5

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I would offer the two witness are the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) Something that the apostate Jews called heresy.

The word of God in respect to the same spirit of faith according as it is written is the witness by which we can hear God who remains without form.

We as new creatures(the bride of Christ) walk by faith and not after the flesh as that seen.
Not so sir
the Jew follow the scriptures and in their scripture (the law and the prophets) it says as per Deuteronomy 18 that GOD would raise one up and would required all to listen to HIM

As I have shown in JOHN 5, not all are listening to HIM


Dis you reread John 5:25 Through John 29?

as you stopped and only provided john 25 and implied this to be to all men

It isn't because John 5:28 through John 5:29 applies to those who hear HIS VOICE later who will rise to be judged

Some raised to life
Some raised to condemnation


Which means not all will receive glorified bodies
 

miknik5

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Not to mention that the law and the prophets (as per the word given to Haggai 2) declares ALL NEN...ALL NATIONS before GOD unclean

Which is why Romans already covers that no man will be able to open their mouth before HIM and justify themselves by THE LAW.

How can they get around that the LAW already declared all men...unacceptable
 

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Romans 3


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Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


What things?


The things mentioned in Romans 3 prior to verse 3:19 which confirm that all are uncjean

why did you think John the Baptist came to Jerusalem preaching water baptism for repentence?
He came to the hews
And his purpose was always the ONE and SAME PURPOSE:


To point ALL MEN to THE LAMB
 
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miknik5

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There's only ONE JERUSALEM...ONE FLOCK...ONE HOUSE...ONE COVENANT...

Jacob remains outside until GOD calls Jacob..."ISRAEL"
 
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There's only ONE JERUSALEM...ONE FLOCK...ONE HOUSE...ONE COVENANT...

Jacob remains outside until GOD calls Jacob..."ISRAEL"

I am confused, Jacob is Israel. they are one and the same, In fact God changed Jacobs name to Israel.


Genesis 32:28
And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
 

miknik5

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I am confused, Jacob is Israel. they are one and the same, In fact God changed Jacobs name to Israel.


Genesis 32:28
And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
Every word of GOD was laid out in signs and representations pointing us to CHRIST

Jacob is loved out from fleshly Esau but Jacob remains Jacob until GOD calls him into the TRUE ISRAEL of GOD which is HIS SON

Even all the sons of Israel became as FIRST BORN heads over the houses...that is the twelve tribes of Israel and were simply so as to point all men to the TRUE ONE who opened THE TRUE WAY unto the PRESENCE of GOD by THE TRUE VEIL between Heaven and earth
 

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out of "Egypt" I called MY SON

No one could celebrate the Passover unless he was circumcised (even circumcision is a sign pointing to a NEW (Eighth) DAY Covenanters creation. And even before CHRIST came into the world, The Jew was told that any "foreigner" who wished to celebrate "The Passover" needed to be circumcised (civenanted)

The TRUE CIRCUMCISION COVENANT which God pointed to is not done by men upon the outer flesh but by GOD on the inner flesh of the heart
 

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Ezekiel 36

GOD is doing all things for HIS NAMESAKE and to show HIS NAME as HOLY amongst all nations


Why?

because the first chosen who were supposed to be a light to all nations teaching all men to know GOD didn't (and couldn't) do it and by what they did, "misrepresented " GOD's NAME
 

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The Two Witnesses
1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3And I will give powerunto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The Witnesses Killed and Raised
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Please expound how the two witnesses (as you have explained them to be in your above two posts) died and how after three days their bodies stood up and ascended back into heaven.


Thank you


The 2Ws are spirits. They stand in the presence of God Zech., they were there at the time of Zerubbabel and are there now and always will be. They are with God and part of the complete vision which IS LITERALLY the word of God (to Zerubbabel).

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The olive trees are symbolic of a people, Israel.

The covenant between God and the human souls is with Israel, through Israel, the 2 olive trees.

The covenant of Moses and the Prophets is given to us through Israel, the Law and the Prophets are LITERALLY THE WORD OF GOD.

So the people of Israel carry the words of God with them, literally. They are the 2 olive trees that are in possession of, are part of spiritually, the literal word of God.

The Holy Spirit flows through Israel, through the Law and the Prophets, that keeps the creation alive to God.

This is different from the indwelling/gift of the Holy Spirit that we have in the Kingdom/church. Acts 2:38

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33 ad The temple is measured.....it's not perfect......The new covenant through Jesus is.

70 ad The trampling by the gentiles begins....The time of sackcloth

1967 Israel is restored to Jerusalem and the ToG's is over Lk 21:24

This next part is going to happen soon.

The 2Ws are killed by the dragon beast Rome. (Rome is only the "image" of it's former Roman empire, so he deceives the armies from across the Euphrates River to kill Israel. 6th trumpet, 6th vial.)

The people of Israel are left in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days.

A great celebration takes place, because Israel is dead.
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Understand, that Israel is a witness, to all the things about Jesus, the creation, Noah, Moses, the exodus, etc, but especially of the covenant between Israel and God, the great I AM.

This is why they have such a great hate, for such a small amount of people, on a tiny piece of land (half the size of the Netherlands). They are witnesses to the promises of the one true God who is Jesus.

Like Cain killed Able, the spirit of Cain, will kill again.
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The 2Ws are resurrected from the dead. This would be the resurrection of His coming 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24. 7th trumpet, last trumpet, end of the planet, end of the story of the little scroll.

The dead in Christ rise 1st, then those who are alive are caught up.

Only Israel who have accepted Jesus will be resurrected at this time

All those who killed Israel must die a physical death before appearing before Jesus.
 

miknik5

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Look at Jacob's wives and you will find that all men are counted into and should belong to ISRAEL

Some will hear and obey
and some will be like Cain and Esau
 

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Leah -the older (generational) Jewish sister
Bilhah? - the older (generational) hand maid (gentile)
Rachel -the younger (generational) Jewish sister
Zilpah? - the younger (generational) handmaid (gentile)
 
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You're right,abcdef...when the times of trouble come (when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way) "Cain" will kill his brother and "Esau" will have his eyes on the wrong treasures (just like Gehazzi did)
 

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And in this time, before the craftsmen come, GOD will put a mark on the foreheads of only those who will be appalled by the atrocities which will come upon the earth in the last days
 

miknik5

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Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD.
But by MY SPIRIT


Unfortunately, just as Daniel prophecies, the "violent men of the covenant" will make manifest that they do not know their GOD