Others on the Ark not just Noah and his family

[posthuman]

No one here has explained how the descendant's of Cain survived the flood. Can you not put aside the teachings of man and believe the word of God. He expects us to be able to use common sense. And the rightly divide his word.

obvious question:

who were the wives of the sons of Noah?
who were their fathers and their fathers' fathers?
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obvious rebuttal:

when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
(1 Peter 3:20)​

 

[posthuman]

Just Noah and his family

"eight"

a significant number

yes

8 = 50-42

read 2 Kings ch. 1-2 lately?

 

[Depleted]

Not "fiction", rather?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk&list=RDZW8TlrYhBxk


I didn't "add" anything!

Okay, as soon as Bible scholars agree that a song by Styx in YouTube video belongs to the Bible, I'll believe it.

 

[Depleted]

Has anyone here not read John 8:44 In the verse Jesus tells them they are of there Father the Devil. He was a murderer from the beginning. Who I ask was the first murderer it was Cain. Its strange I get all these answers to the races and such. But nothing to explain the fact that Jesus spoke to the descendants of Cain.

Desertsrose
While I don't agree with your explanation I do respect you for it. I appreciate the views of others it's how we learn. To have a closed mind and no discussion we get nowhere. Such as post # 2 of this thread.

I close my mind when I finally figure out something is the truth. On what you want me to open my mind to? Honestly, if I open it that much, my brains fall out!

 

[maxwel]

No one here has explained how the descendant's of Cain survived the flood. Can you not put aside the teachings of man and believe the word of God. He expects us to be able to use common sense. And the rightly divide his word.

Where does it say the descendants of Cain survived the flood?

 

[MattforJesus]

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Only 8 people were saved from the flood,and it appears as if it is the teaching that Cain is of the devil,and his offspring,so if there was wicked that Jesus said you are of your father the devil,they must be the descendants of Cain,so Cain must have been on the ark,but the wicked are whoever does not acknowledge the truth,and does sin.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Adam and Eve had intercourse,and she had Cain,and said,I have gotten a man from the LORD,not the seed of the devil.

Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Cain went off to another place.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.

Through Seth is the bloodline to Noah,and there should of been no one of Cain among the eight,and there sure would not be any of Cain besides the 8 people,for only 8 people were on the ark.

Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
Gen 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

It is the 3 sons of Noah that the earth was overspread,and populated,and there was none of Cain's family around anymore.

It sounds like the belief that Cain is of the devil,and all his seed,so when Jesus addressed the Pharisees,and said you are of your father the devil,they must be of the seed of Cain,so some of them must of been on the ark.

A sin is a sin,and does not mean Cain is the worse because he slew Abel,and Adam and Eve sinned before he did.

 

[wolfwint]

Has anyone here not read John 8:44 In the verse Jesus tells them they are of there Father the Devil. He was a murderer from the beginning. Who I ask was the first murderer it was Cain. Its strange I get all these answers to the races and such. But nothing to explain the fact that Jesus spoke to the descendants of Cain.

Desertsrose
While I don't agree with your explanation I do respect you for it. I appreciate the views of others it's how we learn. To have a closed mind and no discussion we get nowhere. Such as post # 2 of this thread.

What you think, to whom somebody belongs, if he not belongs to Jesus Christ? Everybody who not belongs to Jesus Christ belongs to the Devil and is an enemy of Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with Cain. We all are not better then Cain, if we would not redeemed from our Lord Jesus Christ. All eight wich surveived the flood were sinners and in Gods eyes not better then Cain. Except probaply Noah.

 

[maxwel]

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Only 8 people were saved from the flood,and it appears as if it is the teaching that Cain is of the devil,and his offspring,so if there was wicked that Jesus said you are of your father the devil,they must be the descendants of Cain,so Cain must have been on the ark,but the wicked are whoever does not acknowledge the truth,and does sin.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Adam and Eve had intercourse,and she had Cain,and said,I have gotten a man from the LORD,not the seed of the devil.

Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Cain went off to another place.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.

Through Seth is the bloodline to Noah,and there should of been no one of Cain among the eight,and there sure would not be any of Cain besides the 8 people,for only 8 people were on the ark.

Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
Gen 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

It is the 3 sons of Noah that the earth was overspread,and populated,and there was none of Cain's family around anymore.

It sounds like the belief that Cain is of the devil,and all his seed,so when Jesus addressed the Pharisees,and said you are of your father the devil,they must be of the seed of Cain,so some of them must of been on the ark.

A sin is a sin,and does not mean Cain is the worse because he slew Abel,and Adam and Eve sinned before he did.

So, for the OP to have this position:

A. He thinks "you are of your father the devil" refers to a PHYSICAL descendant of Cain.

B. If the phrase "of your father the devil" refers to a PHYSICAL DESCENDANT of Cain, then this language about "physical relationships" only works if Cain is also a PHYSICAL DESCENDANT of Satan.

C. If Satan was the physical progenitor of Cain, then Eve was having physical sex with the Devil somehow, and somehow produced Cain.

D. So ultimately, this belief that descendants of Cain were on the Ark, goes back to a presupposition that Satan had physical sex with Eve... is that where the OP coming from?


If "D" is the ultimate presupposition... then the OP should confirm this, and then THAT presupposition is what we should be debating.

 

[Desertsrose]

Has anyone here not read John 8:44 In the verse Jesus tells them they are of there Father the Devil. He was a murderer from the beginning. Who I ask was the first murderer it was Cain. Its strange I get all these answers to the races and such. But nothing to explain the fact that Jesus spoke to the descendants of Cain.

Desertsrose
While I don't agree with your explanation I do respect you for it. I appreciate the views of others it's how we learn. To have a closed mind and no discussion we get nowhere. Such as post # 2 of this thread.

Hi Buddy, You asked who was the murderer from the beginning. It was Satan, not Cain. Cain killed his brother, but Satan killed all of mankind when he caused the fall and deceived Adam and Eve.

What would happen if I took a jar of rat poison and poured some of it into a beautiful bowl of beef stew. I begin to tell them how nourishing the carrots, potatoes and stew meat are and that if they eat it it will keep them healthy. And then they die from eating it. I'm a murderer.

That's exactly what Satan did when he told Adam and Eve just how beautiful that fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was. He lied and told them they would become like God knowing good and evil. They were already like God. They sure didn't need Satan's help. He also lied and told them they would not die. Well they died twice over. Spiritually they died and physically they died later.

 

[Dino246]

What's funny is..............Noah and his family were the FIRST boat people!

I suspect many younger readers, and perhaps some from elsewhere in the world, won't get the reference.

 

[buddyt]

Desertrose

Adam and eve were not tempted with fruit. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan himself. Just as the tree of life is our Lord Jesus. Sorry to disagree but it seems for the most part this Forum follows the teachings of man and doesn't read Gods word. He does expect us to use common sense.

 

[buddyt]

eternally-gratefull

1 Peter 3:20 He is speaking of the Eight souls true. But they were the only souls aboard who had been obedient to God. The others had been apart of those who had indulged with the Nephilim.

 

[miknik5]

Desertrose

Adam and eve were not tempted with fruit. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan himself. Just as the tree of life is our Lord Jesus. Sorry to disagree but it seems for the most part this Forum follows the teachings of man and doesn't read Gods word. He does expect us to use common sense.

ye shall know them by their fruit
they ate from the wrong tree
the result of this outcome, causes man to have the ability to bear both types of fruit (good and bad)

He is supposed to make a right judgement between what is wrought in GOD from what isn't
but not all men come to THE LIGHT so as to be able to discern this TRUTH

 

[Willie-T]

The First Flood occurred because of Satan's rebellion. But that's another story. Why is it that most people reject the fact that there were others on the Ark other than Noah and his Family. I have no idea. Man was first placed in these flesh body's on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day. The races as we know them today were created at that time. With the creation of Adam and Eve they were of One Race. I think all would agree with that. You don't get Black, White, Indian, Asian, and any other group of Races from just two people. Noah was told to gather two of every flesh. Man is flesh.
In John 8:44 Jesus speaks to the descendants of of Cain-- Ye are of your father the devil and the lust of your father ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own for he is a liar and the father of it. I ask how did the descendants of Cain get there. Easy they were on the Ark.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Cain was not yet even born "at the beginning."

 

[Denadii]

No one here has explained how the descendant's of Cain survived the flood. Can you not put aside the teachings of man and believe the word of God. He expects us to be able to use common sense. And the rightly divide his word.

Buddy...Nobody survived who was not on the ark....The bible says there were 8 people on the ark...None others...Please do not fictionalize Gods Word. Eight people survived the flood...Noah, His wife, his three sons and their wives....Four men and four women. Nobody else...

The sons of Cain took swimming lessons that day..But they forgot to empty their pockets and take off their boots. So they had to walk along the bottom until they became fish. (Denadii rolls his eyes)

 

[Denadii]

I agree.....as emphatically as I can without being banned

LOL You're such a diplomat!!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Has anyone here not read John 8:44 In the verse Jesus tells them they are of there Father the Devil. He was a murderer from the beginning. Who I ask was the first murderer it was Cain. Its strange I get all these answers to the races and such. But nothing to explain the fact that Jesus spoke to the descendants of Cain.

This has a whiff of 'serpent seed doctrine'...also called 'two seed doctrine'. Both pure heresy.

 

[Denadii]

Desertrose

Adam and eve were not tempted with fruit. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan himself. Just as the tree of life is our Lord Jesus. Sorry to disagree but it seems for the most part this Forum follows the teachings of man and doesn't read Gods word. He does expect us to use common sense.

So you're saying that Jesus (the tree of life) is planted in the middle of the garden? Really? The tree of life is the tree of life.

Also You mentioned 'The first flood....." Are you saying there was more than one great flood?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Desertrose

Adam and eve were not tempted with fruit. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan himself. Just as the tree of life is our Lord Jesus. Sorry to disagree but it seems for the most part this Forum follows the teachings of man and doesn't read Gods word. He does expect us to use common sense.

Oh Lord! This is 'serpent seed doctrine'. Next thing we'll find out is Satan is the literal father of Cain via intercourse betwixt Satan and Eve.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Desertrose

Adam and eve were not tempted with fruit. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan himself. Just as the tree of life is our Lord Jesus. Sorry to disagree but it seems for the most part this Forum follows the teachings of man and doesn't read Gods word. He does expect us to use common sense.

From www.gotquestions.org...

Question: "What is the Serpent Seed doctrine?"

Answer: The serpent seed doctrine is a belief based on poor biblical interpretation and superstition. It is a primary doctrinal resource for those who want to use Scriptures to justify racial prejudice. The serpent seed doctrine is also closely related to other erroneous beliefs such as the Christian Identity Movement and the Kenite doctrine. Like many false beliefs, it has a built-in defense mechanism; that is, anyone who disagrees with it is accused of being a son of the serpent. One of the most unfortunate problems with the serpent seed doctrine is that is so heavily relies on prejudice and warped biblical interpretation that it can be very difficult to discuss rationally.

Simply stated, the serpent seed doctrine teaches that the sin of Eve was not simple disobedience, but sexual contact with the serpent, and that Cain was the son of Eve and the devil. Cain’s descendants are, according to this idea, the sons of Satan, and this includes most any race or group that the serpent-seed believer chooses to dislike. This idea is rooted in superstitious beliefs and is particularly popular with white supremacists and anti-Semites; the Unification Church also supports this idea. Noted false prophets and false teachers such as Arnold Murray ofShepherd’s Chapel and William Branham espoused the idea. Although an idea should not be criticized when it is wrongly applied, it is appropriate to condemn an idea when it logically leads to sin. A philosophy that teaches that some races or people are universally satanic, like the serpent seed doctrine, is one such philosophy.

Those who support serpent-seed ideas cite many passages in the Bible as proof that their idea is correct. Almost without exception, these “proofs” require an interpretation that is totally inappropriate to the context of the passage. For example, Genesis 3:13 is often cited, with the claim that the word translated “beguiled” in the King James Version really meant “seduced.” Context and scholarship would disagree. Proverbs 30:20 metaphorically compares eating and sexual immorality; this is greatly overstated by the serpent-seed believer as proof that the Fall was sexual. Other passages include Jude 1:14, and the parable of the tares in Matthew chapter 13. Those who believe in the serpent seed doctrine teach that Jesus’ description of the “children of the devil” in this parable is true in a biological sense. Again, only one who is trying to force this belief into the Bible will see it this way; it is not naturally read out of Scripture.

There are literally dozens of places in the Bible where this false idea has been wedged in, yet every single one requires a person to believe in the serpent-seed idea beforehand. Only by reading a passage and saying, “If you assume that the serpent seed doctrine is true, then this means…” can a person support this false philosophy. For this reason, arguing against the serpent seed doctrine can be difficult. Those who believe it interpret Scripture through a sort of “serpent-seed lens,” and are not likely to accept other interpretations, no matter how well supported by context and scholarship.

There are some basic questions and contradictions inherent to the serpent seed doctrine that can be used to demonstrate its lack of truth. For example, Galatians 3:28 clearly states that race and gender have no impact on our standing with God. Second Peter 3:9 says that God wants everyone to be saved, not “everyone but the children of Cain.” Nowhere in Scripture is anyone identified as a “Kenite” or condemned based on being from Cain’s lineage. Never are we warned about such people by the New Testament writers. Also, there is the question of how or why such persons survived the flood. The doctrine supposes that original sin was sexual, but cannot explain why the whole remainder of the Bible lays out a worldview where the original sin was disobedience, not sexuality.

This philosophy is most unfortunate in that it leads directly and logically to two main problems. Racism is by far the worst; believing that certain races are irredeemable has no positive application. The only possible outcome of such a worldview is prejudice and bigotry. There is also a tendency to dismiss critics of the serpent seed doctrine as being the very “Kenites” the philosophy believes in. Arnold Murray is particularly guilty of this abuse. Fortunately for believers, God has given us a resource in Scripture that can show us the truth. We need only read it with unbiased and open eyes to find true wisdom.


This is what's being purported...