Future sin forgiven the cross you are free, maybe

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The power of the cross is when it works in the believers heart it bears fruit.
The Jews who sought after a sign in respect to a work they performed before they would believe made the authority\power of cross without effect.

The fruit of the tongue, thanksgiving, as new creatures that are given a new spirit that will never die is the result of having all our sin removed (past present future). There is no partial salvation. If he has begun the good work He will finish it. We can take that to the bank.

It would seem you are turning things upside down as the apostate Jews performed.
If at this point the fruit is non existant and a life does not change, it has no value at all.
Yes, No fruit of our lips giving thanks, no salvation

Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Yes as we hear the voice of God according to the same spirit of faith as it is written, it turns us who have been given ears to hear what the Spirit says toward him who has no form so that we can then after being turned, we can repent.

In the end of the matter we are informed that if God would take into account the wage of one sin (eternal damnation).who could stand in His Holy presence to receive mercy according to His work of grace? We walk by faith not by sight after something we could perform.

Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O LORD.
Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning.Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption. And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.Psa 130:1-8

Psalms 25:18 Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins.


Psalms 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities
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Its why it is called the "gospel" and not just good advice.

The problem conceptually with future sin forgiven is merely unbelief in the power
of the cross working in the believers heart. I would always question
Yes the power to turn us toward Him so that we then can repent shows we have fellowship with Him.

Who will forgive your sin today or like those in hebrews 6 everytime a person sins thye ned to crucify Christ over and oer to public shame as if one work of the faith of Cghist feel short of the glory of God

2nd generation
believers whether they truly know what walking with Christ is rather than continual
failure to realise spirituality. They do not define walking in Christ
The second generation,the generation of Christ are given the faith to realize what walking by faith(Christ) translates to.
 
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Why does future sin forgiven lead to condemnation of believers?

The strangest thing is the idea if you reject future sin forgiven, you are then
an unbeliever.

The reason is they do not believe we can walk blamelessly before the Father,
ever in this life. So the problem is loosing salvation through sin which means
how can one live in the faith and grow in sanctification.

But our salvation is dependent on faith not walk. We enter the faith as forgiven
sinners, washed clean with a desire to walk righteously, which burns in our hearts.
It is this desire which sin causes a tension with. Many get very frustrated as to
why sin grabs hold of them, and turns them around. But this is the struggle, the
walk, to know oneself and walk in the spirit to the degree one is an overcomer.

Sin always has a context, and it is wrong. By knowing and loving the context the
power of sin is removed and put in its right place, condemned and sealed away.

So we know the fruit of the movement for liberation without restraint, will lead only
to failure and domination of sinful behaviour, because the whole walk in Christ is being
distorted.

The law is the gatekeeper of heaven. Jesus is both the law and the power of fulfilling
the law and walking as He walked.
 
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I don't agree that believing that your future sins are forgiven is a licenses to sin.

I believe that is an excuse used by sinner who were planning to sin anyway.

The concept of my future sin are forgiven gives me hope that even if I make a mistake or don't measure up to God's standards, He will still love and forgive me.

It doesn't give me an excuse to willfully sin but promises forgiveness of sins commited in ignorance or sin commited because of immaturity or need for certain spiritual strongholds to be torn down.

So I believe our future sins are forgiven,if we are truly born again and following the Holy Spirit to the best of our ability.
 
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no see i have a saviour, who s actions never fell short.
when did i ask you what to call them. some time i wonder do you know what or how you were saved. \0/
do you call your self a believer. why would you not know ,what or how you were saved or believe in again make up your mind.

you could start my adding this verse to your feel good actions, and how worthless action are when your saved by a saviour action. lol
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Romans 3
I see Christ crucified, but I also see a well that needs to cleaned so that fresh life giving water flows out only and not salt water.

I wonder how many young plants folks kill with their curses?

Why don't you add this one to help,tame your tongue.

James 3
With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
 
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Why does future sin forgiven lead to condemnation of believers?

All sin leads to condemnation (death) when we deny Christ in unbelief (no faith working in coming from Him). The believer will not come in condemnation ;( impossible) all of their sins have been atoned for as the better things that accompany salvation, for He cannot deny Himself if he has forgiven every sin (past present and future).

It would make Him the liar to say what he begins in us he cannot finish to the very end


2Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

2Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
 

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Why does future sin forgiven lead to condemnation of believers?

All sin leads to condemnation (death) when we deny Christ in unbelief (no faith working in coming from Him). The believer will not come in condemnation ;( impossible) all of their sins have been atoned for as the better things that accompany salvation, for He cannot deny Himself if he has forgiven every sin (past present and future).

It would make Him the liar to say what he begins in us he cannot finish to the very end


2Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

2Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Exactly right! For those who don't believe that all your sins are forgiven then there are two things that you believe in:

1. You don't believe in God's power because He said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.” (Still not convinced? Jesus said before giving up His spirit, "It is finished")

2. You love God less because He said, "But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little." (Ponder on this a bit until it sinks in.)

It's sad that most Christians preach a lot of obedience to the point that they put Jesus' obedience on the sidelines. The focus is on their works than on Jesus' works. "Future sin forgiven lead to condemnation of believers" Based on what? This is not even biblical truth!

Salvation through the cross is made simple for the faithful but it is foolish for the self-righteous. Thank You Lord Jesus for Your perfect work, from beginning to the end. Praise God!
 
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Exactly right! For those who don't believe that all your sins are forgiven then there are two things that you believe in:

1. You don't believe in God's power because He said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.” (Still not convinced? Jesus said before giving up His spirit, "It is finished")

2. You love God less because He said, "But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little." (Ponder on this a bit until it sinks in.)

It's sad that most Christians preach a lot of obedience to the point that they put Jesus' obedience on the sidelines. The focus is on their works than on Jesus' works. "Future sin forgiven lead to condemnation of believers" Based on what? This is not even biblical truth!

Salvation through the cross is made simple for the faithful but it is foolish for the self-righteous. Thank You Lord Jesus for Your perfect work, from beginning to the end. Praise God!
Amen...well said. Religion always puts the cart before the horse and makes the cart the defining factor and really it is just denying the work of Christ because of our own carnal humanistic thinking.
 

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How does one "stay" in Christ - tell us the "things that we need to do" to stay in Christ?

The truth is we either have Christ in us or we don't. We don't get to keep Him because of our good works.

We don't go in and out of Christ. We are joined as one spirit with Him. 1 Cor. 6:17 Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be in us forever . John 14:16 - unless He is a liar. Is Jesus lying to us now? Our hearts are not designed to trust someone like this that directly deceives us with telling us things that are lies.. I'm a believer in what Jesus says.

The scriptures say that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit when we hear the message of Christ. Eph. 1:13 The Greek tense and voice show that it is a one time event that doesn't need to be repeated.

John says the complete opposite of you - he says that we know we have eternal life now - not something we might get in the future if we do some kind of works. There is going to be a redemption of our bodies in the future and that is something to look forward too.

1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Also - death is not our savior. Christ is. If we hold unto our faith in this world concerning the promises of God that are in Christ then we will experience in this life His life.

You can no more lose salvation in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation. Salvation is based on Christ and what He has done - not what we do or don't do. We believe in Christ when we hear of His message of forgiveness of sins and we are then sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Fallen from grace just means that we are relying on our own religious works instead of believing in the finished work of Christ - such as this works-based non-gospel. Christ's work becomes nullified from us but those in Galatia were still saved Paul said. They were just not walking by the spirit now.

Preaching a works-based gospel waters down the real gospel to turn it into a "work for program" which is actually the complete opposite of the gospel message.

Galatians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

I do agree with you that all sinning is done in the present tense and the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us just like 1 John 1:7 says. If you stole something tomorrow - when you did the stealing it would be present tense. So, in effect there is no such thing as a future sin as all sinning when being done is in the present tense.

I really encourage you to ask the Lord about showing you His gospel of the grace of God in Christ. He will be faithful to you...:)

How do we stay in Christ? We don't leave. How could we leave? Hebrews 10:26 says if we deliberately/purposely sin Christ's blood will not cover us anymore- even though it once did. Let me give you an example. I don't drink, but let's say I'm at a New Years Eve party, and someone tempts me to get drunk with them. I refuse to get drunk, but a I do have a few drinks. Later, while not paying attention to how much I drink, I realize I am undeniably drunk.

Immediately I feel remorseful. I ask God to forgive me, thinking if I'm ever in this situation again that I will not drink at all in order to prevent even the possibility of it happening again. (I don't drink, alcohol is gross, I'm just giving an example). This is an example of not sinning on purpose. I did not go to that party with the intent to get drunk, I was tempted in the moment and failed the test. EFFORT was expressed however- both before and after.

But let's say I went to that party with the intention to get drunk. That I even premeditated the sin by purchasing alcohol in advance to provide means for my sin- which I future-planned to commit. And not only that, I get drunk everyday. I put forth no effort at all whatsoever to not commit this sin. I commit it purposely, deliberately, daily, trusting that it doesn't matter because the blood of Christ covers my sins. This is the point where Christ's blood stops covering me. Not only am I attempting to use His blood as a license to sin, I am LIVING in sin, not just visiting it. And like Romans 6 says, it is impossible for a Christian to LIVE in sin. If they do they are no longer a Christian. They have fallen from grace.

Is it possible to fall from grace (be once again spiritually dead) and then come back and be alive once more? Yes! This is what the prodigal son parable is all about. He was alive with the father, he left, he came back, and what did his father say? "My son was DEAD but now he is ALIVE." He did not die physically, while he was away from the father he died spiritually. If he would have died physically while he was away from the father, his spiritual death would be sealed and last forever. We MUST remain faithful till the end and die IN Christ to seal our salvation for eternity.

Grace is a gift that can be lost. If I give my child a gift, a braclet, and always see it on her, but one day it's gone, and I ask where it is, she will say she lost it. She will not say "It's still there you just can't see it." It IS possible to lose a gift if you don't hold on to it.

You are right about one thing- either we are in Christ or we're not. But this is a present-tense question- are you in Christ right now or are you not? If we sin purposely instead of trying to rid sins from our life, then we are no longer in Christ. Hebrews 10:26 Says if you sin purposely there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins. "No longer" means it once genuinely did, and it also means it's possible to lose it. Therefore OSAS is a false doctrine, a teaching taught by demons.
 
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We are put into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit and Jesus keeps us. We can get our minds all screwy but our spirits - the new creation in Christ is safe with Him and when we die - we go to be with the Lord because Of Him.

Now the quality of life we experience in this earth - that's a different story and it is based on living by the spirit. Living by the flesh brings destruction. Take up shooting heroin and we will find that out quickly.

The teaching that believers that are one with Christ because of His work alone go to hell is the worst demonically inspired thought put into the mind of man by our enemy as it denies the very grace of God needed for this life to live the true Christian life.


Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33.
Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.
 
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Amen brother!

One thing to notice too about these so called Christians who keep bringing up the law is that their focus is always on the obedience of the law. The law, though perfect, exposes man's inability to perform these laws perfectly, which in turn breeds condemnation for the brethren.

They are not Christ-centered but law-centered and when confronted they always dance around other subjects and not directly answering simple questions. These people are condemning themselves that's also why they condemn others. Out of the abundance of the heart flows outward through their eyes and mouth.

That's why if you are Jesus-centered, you see goodness, love, and security. On the other hand, law-centered, you see sin, condemnation, and punishment.

"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

This verse is given with a purpose. Notice that there is a direct distinction between the law and Grace and Truth. The Holy Spirit is clear on this distinction and that the Truth is with grace not with the law.

Praise God!
 
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Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Jesus stated follow the 6 commandments that have to do with love people,if you want to inherit eternal life,and the rich man said,I do that,and Jesus said sell all you have and give to the poor,which is love people.

In the New Testament we follow love God,and love people,which the ten commandments is love God,and love people.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,which means we live up to the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,and all spiritual laws have to be obeyed,and we are spiritual,which are laws of love,and moral laws,which Peter said,abstain from fleshy lusts that war against your soul.

The ten commandments are love God,and love people,so they are to be obeyed,and we have to fulfill the law,which we can do by the Spirit.

When Paul says we are not saved by works of the law he is speaking while we are in the flesh,but we are to fulfill the law,and we can do that by the Spirit,in which it is not by the flesh.

People should understand when Paul is speaking according to people in the flesh,and people in the Spirit.

Not saved by works of the law,being fleshy,we establish the law,live up to the law,being spiritual by the Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Oh those pesky lawkeepers,fulfilling the law,living up to the law,by the Spirit,like Paul said they have to do.

If a person is led of the Spirit they will show the fruits of the Spirit,in which no ways of the flesh is there,so they are not under the law,because they are not sinning,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

So a Spirit led life will obey the law perfectly,all the while they say we are not under the law,as if it does not apply to us,but it means we are not sinning that is why we are not under the law.
 
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Counting the cost

People regard Jesus as the lottery. Get it right and you win, no conditions, no expectations
just winnings. Upon this foundation they declare you will also be wealthy and healthy.

Because everything is free out of gratitude you will say nice things and do a few religious
duties, if you feel like it, but no obligations involved.

Christ says die to self, live to serve. Become a child of God and follow all His commands.
Do not follow the world or its passions but learn the way of love and right behaviour, seeing
the consequences of your actions not just the quick fix. The cross empowers through the
Holy Spirit to overcome.

In the elect He will bring these things to pass, so rejoice in our King.

The spirit of rebellion and condemnation is here. Which you follow has always been our choice,
the wide broad way or the way of truth and love doing the right things.
 
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Amen brother!

One thing to notice too about these so called Christians who keep bringing up the law is that their focus is always on the obedience of the law. The law, though perfect, exposes man's inability to perform these laws perfectly, which in turn breeds condemnation for the brethren.

They are not Christ-centered but law-centered and when confronted they always dance around other subjects and not directly answering simple questions. These people are condemning themselves that's also why they condemn others. Out of the abundance of the heart flows outward through their eyes and mouth.

That's why if you are Jesus-centered, you see goodness, love, and security. On the other hand, law-centered, you see sin, condemnation, and punishment.

"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

This verse is given with a purpose. Notice that there is a direct distinction between the law and Grace and Truth. The Holy Spirit is clear on this distinction and that the Truth is with grace not with the law.

Praise God!

I agree. Sometimes us believers make statements like "We must balance out the grace of Christ with the law." Or another equally damaging belief is we must balance grace and truth.

This approach is problematic because it draws a line down the middle and puts grace on one side and truth on the other, as if they are in opposition to each other. It's as if we are saying grace is not truth and truth is not grace. I believe the scriptures say it differently.

John 1:7 shows that grace and truth are in Jesus. Christ Himself is grace and truth. Grace is truth and truth is grace in the sense of in Christ alone. Christ is the personification of grace and truth.

Trying to separate grace and truth from Christ is like trying to separate the wet out of water.

Legalism says " Grace is sort of sufficient for the Christian walk, but not really, because you still need to obey truth by keeping God's commandments and learn to walk in His ways."

This above is different as the true Christian life is Christ Himself living in and through us by His grace through faith. Gal. 2:20 As we have received Christ - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6. How did we receive Him? By grace through faith when we heard of Christ.

This very same dynamic is what transforms us to actually obey God's commandments - starting with - "Repent and believe the gospel".

We Christians living by the Spirit do obey God's commandments because He lives in and through us and it is His life that is bearing fruit. This is descriptive of the true life being manifested from His life in us.

Living in obedience to God by walking by the spirit is descriptive of Christ's life being manifested. Living by the Law is a grace-nullifying belief system which actually denies the work of Christ for and in the believer.

Legalism makes it a requirement and thus negates the origin of the true obedience which stems from the very life of Christ Himself and it is NOT the following of a carnal commandment. These 2 types of "obedience" are miles apart but to the natural mind of man they can look the same.
 
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Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
 
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“To be convinced in our hearts that we have forgiveness of sins and peace with God by grace alone is the hardest thing.”

― Martin Luther
 
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Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
And, one would have to totally ignore the rest of the New Testament to pull this scripture out as stand alone proof of once saved, always saved... which is a myth and some of satan's best deception

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lasciviousness = no self restraint, no self control for those in Rio Linda

Yes, when one gets born again they are forgiven for all sin they have committed up until that point... it's the new sin going forward that corrupts believers and some confess and forsake their sin keeping their relationship with the Lord and others hide their sin (Proverbs 28:13) and play like they can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

1 John 1:9,8
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Those who have lived a lifestyle of walking after the flesh will be shocked to find they are walking in death having been taught to not confess and forsake their sin... they still on the hook for their sin since they did not continue to partake in the cleansing of the Blood of Jesus.

The Lord created man in His Own image so what we sow is what we reap. Enjoy!

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
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The funny thing is this.

Some people feel by saying they have peace with God and forgiveness of sins is something
anyone disagrees with.

Halleluyah we have peace with God and our sins are forgiven, and we know love in our hearts
and what evil is, so we flow with the love we have and walk in it, doing what is right.

For us to do evil hurts our hearts and we feel it, and desire to bring glory to His name,
and share the glorious gift in Christ He has given us, amen.

Yet this very testimony is what some want to say is wrong and a lie. How can this be?
What is their evidence? Only their own hearts which testify against them, which is not
others problems but their own. Clean the log out of ones own eye so that you can see
more clear to help your brother with their speck.
 

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And, one would have to totally ignore the rest of the New Testament to pull this scripture out as stand alone proof of once saved, always saved... which is a myth and some of satan's best deception
I see that the eternally IN-secure ankle biter strikes again. So justified from all things in Acts 13:39 merely means some things?

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lasciviousness = no self restraint, no self control for those in Rio Linda
Jude is not talking about born again Christians losing their salvation here. Why are you so obsessed with NOSAS? That's about all you talk about. :rolleyes:

Jude did not say that these certain men who have have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ were once saved. Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men who have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit (vs. 19) In CONTRAST to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ (vs. 1). :)

Yes, when one gets born again they are forgiven for all sin they have committed up until that point...
No, believers are justified from ALL things (Acts 13:39).

it's the new sin going forward that corrupts believers and some confess and forsake their sin keeping their relationship with the Lord and others hide their sin (Proverbs 28:13) 1 John 1:9,8 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Do you interpret 1 John 1:9 to mean that we must confess each sin that we commit as we commit them (keep a specific inventory) as an additional requirement to remain cleansed and if we forget a sin we are toast?! Who is it that hides their sin and does not confess it?

*Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (vs. 9) is IN CONTRAST TO - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (vs. 8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us (vs. 10).

Do you believe that John is focusing on confessing every single sin that we commit as we commit them as an additional requirement to remain cleansed and if you forget one, you're toast?! Or do you believe that John has in mind here a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness?

and play like they can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8) Galatians 6:7,8 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
The one who is constantly (Greek present tense) sowing with a view to the promotion of his own corrupt, sinful nature; that nature which is opposed to God and unrenewed by the Holy Spirit shall of the flesh reap corruption. Physical, moral, and spiritual rottenness and ruin. But he that sows to the Spirit (our life here is a sowing of one kind or another) shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. In opposition to corruption. Eternal life is produced by the Holy Spirit in those who put their trust in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Those who have lived a lifestyle of walking after the flesh will be shocked to find they are walking in death having been taught to not confess and forsake their sin... they still on the hook for their sin since they did not continue to partake in the cleansing of the Blood of Jesus.
Is living a lifestyle of sin descriptive of children of God or children of the devil? *1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

The Lord created man in His Own image so what we sow is what we reap. Enjoy!
Enjoy? What a sick comment. You really seem to enjoy attacking believers who don't live in fear and bondage to IN-security along with you. Truly sad. :rolleyes:
 
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Jude is not talking about born again Christians losing their salvation here
That's what satan is teaching thru his false TV preachers in his never ending capaign of deception!



What a sick comment.
You'll have to argue with Jesus about that... God's Word teaches that God's Kingdom works on seedtime and harvest and you know... He's so much more knowledgeable than the false teachers you have obviously been listening to! Good luck wit dat!


Seedtime and Harvest

Scriptures that speak of sowing and reaping - Genesis 8:22, Mark 4:26, Matthew 13:24, Galatians 6:7-8, Romans 5:14-21, Isaiah 3:10-11, Romans 2:7, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:17-20, Hebrews 6:8, Matthew 7:19, John 15:1-15, Galatians 6:7,8 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.


Genesis 8:22
While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Mark 4:26
So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground

Matthew 13:24
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 5:14-21 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.

Romans 5:14-21
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam (God says Adam died) to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.
For if by one man's offense death reigned by one (talkin 'bout Adam); much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.




Isaiah 3:10-11
Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him

Companion scripture for Isaiah 3:10-11 found in the New Testament:


Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth (God’s Word), but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.


Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 7:17-20
Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Hebrews 6:8
But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Matthew 7:19

Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.

John 15:1-15

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Galatians 6:7,8
For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.




 

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Hebrews 10:26 Says if you sin purposely there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins. "No longer" means it once genuinely did, and it also means it's possible to lose it. Therefore OSAS is a false doctrine, a teaching taught by demons.
Hebrews 10:26 (Amplified Bible) - For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate]. This does not mean that someone was saved then lost their salvation.

*To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).