Future sin forgiven the cross you are free, maybe

[PeterJens]

Some have said that when we come to Christ all our future sin
is forgiven.

It was suggested this was a new idea to it interest me that is not so.

https://reformedbaptistfellowship.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/when-are-we-forgiven/

This article quotes many preachers of different groups about their view on this
idea. Eye opening

The usual position of Reformed theology, however, is that in justification God indeed removes the guilt, but not the culpability of sin, that is, He removes the sinner’s just amenability to punishment, but not the inherent guiltiness of whatever sins he may continue to perform. The latter remains and therefore always produces in believers a feeling of guilt, of separation from God, of sorrow, of repentance, and so on. Hence they feel the need of confessing their sins, even the sins of their youth, Ps. 25:7; 51:5–9. The believer who is really conscious of his sin feels within him an urge to confess it and to seek the comforting assurance of forgiveness. Moreover, such confession and prayer is not only a subjectively felt need, but also an objective necessity. Justification is essentially an objective declaration respecting the sinner in the tribunal of God, but it is not merely that; it is also an actus transiens [an actuality or reality that crosses over to us, DSM], passing into the consciousness of the believer. The divine sentence of acquittal [i.e., forgiveness, DSM] is brought home to the sinner and awakens the joyous consciousness of the forgiveness of sins and of favor with God. Now this consciousness of pardon and of a renewed filial relationship is often disturbed and obscured by sin, and is again quickened and strengthened by confession and prayer, and by a renewed exercise of faith.
That eminent systematic theologian, Louis Berkhof (1873–1957),

I think when people proclaim new theology, you always need to look at in
the context of when people took theology a lot more seriously and looked
into all the questions you could think of and then some more.

 

[FreeNChrist]

ALL of our sins were in the future when Christ shed His blood on the cross.

 

[PeterJens]

What is the problem with sin?
If sin is just a thing that can be ignored with no impact on the destination of people
then just moving it off the table makes sense.

But sin is the core rebellion against the Lord and His authority.
The issue with sin is the change of heart of the convert.
Going from death to life, is going from bondage to sin to walking in righteousness.

Now forgiveness of our sins is conditional on us moving into walking righteously,
empowered by Christ. How is future sin relevant, when in truth this is sin which
should not be occuring. Communion with Christ changes the focus into life.

The power of the cross is when it works in the believers heart it bears fruit.
If at this point the fruit is non existant and a life does not change, it has no
value at all.

The problem conceptually with future sin forgiven is merely unbelief in the power
of the cross working in the believers heart. I would always question 2nd generation
believers whether they truly know what walking with Christ is rather than continual
failure to realise spirituality. They do not define walking in Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

Knowing that we are completely forgiven because of Christ's sacrifice makes us want to run to the Father for grace to walk free of sinning because we know that they are forgiven.

That does not make us want to go out and sin all we want as the carnal/religious mind thinks and accuses others of wanting to do.

It does the complete opposite. Jesus said "He who is forgiven much - loves much." It wants us to grow in the grace and knowledge of God and this is pleasing to Him. We have a new nature now.

Knowing that we are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus - does this make us want to go out and sin all we want? No, a thousand times No! But the carnal humanistic mind of man could think that which is the forgiveness of all sins is hard for the natural mind of man to believe but we should not water down the gospel because of it.

We are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It makes us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards us , others and ourselves and will bring some sort of destruction/death in this life on earth.

Take up shooting heroin in our arms and the reality of this truth will be evident quickly.

As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives.

I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work ( confess - means to say the same thing ) - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.

Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.

This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us and in us. Rom. 12:2

We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".

The new man in Christ is like the invisible man - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.

This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has already done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13

We are transformed by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 What do you see when you look into a mirror? We see we are joined as one spirit with the Lord. 1 Cor. 6:17

It's in knowing our "union" with the Lord as one and in "communing" with the Lord because of this union where the real Christian life is lived and it all starts knowing that Jesus has taken away the sin of the world and that "in Him" we have redemption - the forgiveness of sins.

 

[MadebyHim]

DID YOU KNOW?

As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view - it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.

DID YOU KNOW?

As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall, right above where the Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?

There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

DID YOU KNOW?

James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

DID YOU KNOW?

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

DID YOU KNOW?

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

DID YOU KNOW?

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

DID YOU KNOW?

Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law....an oligarchy....the rule of few over many.

DID YOU KNOW?

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

“You shall have no other gods before Me.​

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.​

“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.​

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy....​

“Honor your father and your mother...​

“You shall not murder.​

“You shall not commit adultery.​

“You shall not steal.​

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.​

“You shall not covet... anything that is your neighbor’s.”
​

 

[MadebyHim]

The U.S.A was built on the 10 commandments, and now its crumbling because they've taken them out of schools, courts, and other public places, and people are forgetting what made this country strong in first place.

 

[Ariel82]

I believe God brings us to the cross and He has a plan to teach us to overcome our sins.

Occasionally, we may stumble and fall but God is mighty to save and will pick us up and put us on the right track.

So in that sense our future sins are forgiven because God has a means to overcome them and we are free to walk and follow Him.

 

[Ariel82]

What new theology are you referring too?

 

[royalscot]

what or who gave you the idea that you, can sin or continue to sin. if you claim to be a believer or are a believer.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Romans 8


go s to show, who s is a pretend believer, if they do not understand this verse.

 

[Ariel82]

Okay skimmed the article...admit that I'd didnt get all of it. Tired and my eyes might of glazed over on parts.

However these passages jumped out and I wanted to highlight them.

God’s forgiveness is a dynamic thing throughout our lives. According to this statement, He “continues to forgive” our sins; i.e., God forgives us particularly, repeatedly, and enduringly. Because we sin daily, we stand daily in need of His forgiveness, and the gospel promises us that we shall have this grand blessing through the renewed exercise of our faith and repentance.

Puritan Thomas Manton (1620–1677) wrote that

As soon as we repent and believe, a threefold benefit we have:– 1) The state of the person is altered; he is a child of God: John 1.12. . . . 2) The actual remission of all past sins: Rom 3.25, “To declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.” It would be a license to sin if his sins were remitted before committed. 3) A right to the remission of daily sins, or free leave to make use of the fountain of mercy, that is always running, and is opened in the house of God for the comfort of believers: Zech. 13:1, “In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.” (emphasis mine)

.nice article,thanks for sharing.

 

[Ariel82]

what or who gave you the idea that you, can sin or continue in sin. if you claim to be a believer or are a believer.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Romans 8

You can call them " actions that falling short of the glory of God" if it makes you feel better.

 

[Rockrz]

Some have said that when we come to Christ all our future sin is forgiven

They lied... God is NOT mocked, what we sow is what we reap and if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption and if we sow to the Spirit we shall reap life (Gal 6:7,8)

The Blood of Jesus is AVAILABLE to wash away our sins after we get saved but only as we confess and forsake our sin. Jesus said everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin (John 8:34) and the Lord said thru Paul to whom ye present yourselves servants for obedience, servants ye are to him to whom ye obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness (Romans 6:16).

If the Lord had not made man in His Own Image (why we reap what we sow), then maybe He could have applied the Blood of Jesus to everyone without there involvement which would make universalism true... which it ain't no matter how many slick TV preachers teach as though it is... i5t still ain't.

 

[Locutus]

I'll have to consult my Legal Beagle on this....

 

[Grace777x70]

The U.S.A was built on the 10 commandments, and now its crumbling because they've taken them out of schools, courts, and other public places, and people are forgetting what made this country strong in first place.

Personally I think it's because they had the 10 commandments in all these places instead of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ which is why the US and other places are in the mess they are in.

One of the purposes of the Law of Moses is to enflame sin and it did a good job in some places. Sin uses the 10 commandments to produce sinning in people.

Romans 7:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Only Christ's life inside of us can produce an exchanged life and that only comes with the gospel - not the 10 commandments.

 

[royalscot]

You can call them " actions that falling short of the glory of God" if it makes you feel better.

no see i have a saviour, who s actions never fell short.
when did i ask you what to call them. some time i wonder do you know what or how you were saved. \0/
do you call your self a believer. why would you not know ,what or how you were saved or believe in again make up your mind.

you could start my adding this verse to your feel good actions, and how worthless action are when your saved by a saviour action. lol
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Romans 3

 

[royalscot]

Personally I think it's because they had the 10 commandments in all these places instead of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ which is why the US and other places are in the mess they are in.

One of the purposes of the Law of Moses is to enflame sin and it did a good job in some places.

Romans 7:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.

order or conduct are mixed , i am your god ,i will have no other gods before me. yet your quote from the new testament , even when you know there is an acts 15. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . make you wonder \o/
trying thinking simple firstly, there is a god.
and live among all your fellow human in peace and safe

sin needs a law to convict or condemn
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8: Life in the Spirit

 

[royalscot]

Personally I think it's because they had the 10 commandments in all these places instead of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ which is why the US and other places are in the mess they are in.

One of the purposes of the Law of Moses is to enflame sin and it did a good job in some places. Sin uses the 10 commandments to produce sinning in people.

Romans 7:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Only Christ's life inside of us can produce an exchanged life and that only comes with the gospel - not the 10 commandments.

The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us---for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"---14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. Galatians 3: By Faith,

 

[OneFaith]

As long as we are in Christ, and remain in Christ, our sins are washed away. This is a present-tense scenario. If we have fellowship with God, and confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. "Fellowship" is an ongoing thing. "Faithful" is an ongoing thing. That means that this must be the condition for the present-tense- and the present-tense is always ongoing.

You cannot say future-tense until heaven, because you can fall from grace and the blood Jesus sacrificed for you will no longer cover you (Hebrews 10:26). And like that scripture says, it once did- that means it is possible to be genuinely saved and to lose your salvation. It is possible to be given a gift, and to lose that gift.

Some have asked me, "Is it possible to sin in heaven once we're there, and fall from heaven like Satan did?" The answer is no. Once we eat from the tree of life in heaven, we are locked-in, we remain in Christ forever, and those in Christ have theirs sins immediately washed away. Besides, God never lies, and He said we will dwell with Him, and Him with us for the rest of eternity. And what does sin cause? Spiritual death. And what is spiritual death? Separation from God.

So, like the Bible says, IF we remain faithful till the end of this physical life, we will have eternal life with God.






Now what is confusing to some is that Jesus died once for all- all who were in the past who obeyed God, and all in the future who would obey God. Does this mean that even future sins are forgiven? No, it is proportioned to each one in their present-tense.

It's like this...

A group of campers are thirsty. I drill a well, and they drink. Later on another group of campers come, and drink from the well. Years later those camper's great grandchildren drink from the same well. Did all who drink from the well get quenched at the same time? No. Each was effected by it in their present-tense.

Back up just for a moment, and go to the second group of campers. They heard about the new well. Did hearing about it quench their thirst? No. Did believing it was there quench their thirst? No. So at this point, getting to the well is still future-tense for them, correct? (Yes)- therefore until they drank in their present-tense, their thirst was not quenched for them- even though it had already quenched others, and still others were not even born yet.

In the same way, our future sins are not washed away, they are always washed away in the present-tense. If you are in Christ in the present-tense, your sins are washed away in the present-tense. Therefore it would be wise to remain in Christ so that it keeps happening until we die in Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

As long as we are in Christ, and remain in Christ, our sins are washed away. This is a present-tense scenario. If we have fellowship with God, and confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. "Fellowship" is an ongoing thing. "Faithful" is an ongoing thing. That means that this must be the condition for the present-tense- and the present-tense is always ongoing.

You cannot say future-tense until heaven, because you can fall from grace and the blood Jesus sacrificed for you will no longer cover you (Hebrews 10:26). And like that scripture says, it once did- that means it is possible to be genuinely saved and to lose your salvation. It is possible to be given a gift, and to lose that gift.

Some have asked me, "Is it possible to sin in heaven once we're there, and fall from heaven like Satan did?" The answer is no. Once we eat from the tree of life in heaven, we are locked-in, we remain in Christ forever, and those in Christ have theirs sins immediately washed away. Besides, God never lies, and He said we will dwell with Him, and Him with us for the rest of eternity. And what does sin cause? Spiritual death. And what is spiritual death? Separation from God.

So, like the Bible says, IF we remain faithful till the end of this physical life, we will have eternal life with God.






Now what is confusing to some is that Jesus died once for all- all who were in the past who obeyed God, and all in the future who would obey God. Does this mean that even future sins are forgiven? No, it is proportioned to each one in their present-tense.

It's like this...

A group of campers are thirsty. I drill a well, and they drink. Later on another group of campers come, and drink from the well. Years later those camper's great grandchildren drink from the same well. Did all who drink from the well get quenched at the same time? No. Each was effected by it in their present-tense.

Back up just for a moment, and go to the second group of campers. They heard about the new well. Did hearing about it quench their thirst? No. Did believing it was there quench their thirst? No. So at this point, getting to the well is still future-tense for them, correct? (Yes)- therefore until they drank in their present-tense, their thirst was not quenched for them- even though it had already quenched others, and still others were not even born yet.

In the same way, our future sins are not washed away, they are always washed away in the present-tense. If you are in Christ in the present-tense, your sins are washed away in the present-tense. Therefore it would be wise to remain in Christ so that it keeps happening until we die in Christ.

How does one "stay" in Christ - tell us the "things that we need to do" to stay in Christ?

The truth is we either have Christ in us or we don't. We don't get to keep Him because of our good works.

We don't go in and out of Christ. We are joined as one spirit with Him. 1 Cor. 6:17 Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be in us forever . John 14:16 - unless He is a liar. Is Jesus lying to us now? Our hearts are not designed to trust someone like this that directly deceives us with telling us things that are lies.. I'm a believer in what Jesus says.

The scriptures say that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit when we hear the message of Christ. Eph. 1:13 The Greek tense and voice show that it is a one time event that doesn't need to be repeated.

John says the complete opposite of you - he says that we know we have eternal life now - not something we might get in the future if we do some kind of works. There is going to be a redemption of our bodies in the future and that is something to look forward too.

1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Also - death is not our savior. Christ is. If we hold unto our faith in this world concerning the promises of God that are in Christ then we will experience in this life His life.

You can no more lose salvation in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation. Salvation is based on Christ and what He has done - not what we do or don't do. We believe in Christ when we hear of His message of forgiveness of sins and we are then sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Fallen from grace just means that we are relying on our own religious works instead of believing in the finished work of Christ - such as this works-based non-gospel. Christ's work becomes nullified from us but those in Galatia were still saved Paul said. They were just not walking by the spirit now.

Preaching a works-based gospel waters down the real gospel to turn it into a "work for program" which is actually the complete opposite of the gospel message.

Galatians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

I do agree with you that all sinning is done in the present tense and the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us just like 1 John 1:7 says. If you stole something tomorrow - when you did the stealing it would be present tense. So, in effect there is no such thing as a future sin as all sinning when being done is in the present tense.

I really encourage you to ask the Lord about showing you His gospel of the grace of God in Christ. He will be faithful to you...

 

[PeterJens]

The point of the law was to provide justice and guidance to Israel.
It was there to make a whole nation work.

The consequences were to distinguish between those who commit a sinful act
and those who do not. You need this to put in place justice and punishment.

The law never justified someone as righteous it merely shows they are not a lawbreaker.

The sacrifices were there to deal with the consequences of sin and resolve their standing
before God. A continuous atoning sacrifice was offered morning and evening to account
for sin of the nation. The desire was when you sinned to search for a resolution, pay a
price and Get right with the Lord.

In Christ we have the law written in our hearts and minds through the Holy Spirit.
It is our desire to obey, to follow Christs ways, which Paul called being slaves to
righteousness.

The Lord empowers us to conquer sin by knowing love and resolution with Him,
and seeing the consequences of sin which overcomes the desires of the flesh.

We are set free from bondage to sin and can walk in righteousness.

The actual remission of all past sins: Rom 3.25, “To declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.” It would be a license to sin if his sins were remitted before committed.
Puritan Thomas Manton (1620–1677)

The question of future sin forgiven is not a new idea, and certainly has been rejected
down through the ages because of its license to sin consequences.