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Your jokes are not really funny. Better to be straight up than to be taken the wrong way and having to explain your desire to be a funny guy and then apologizing for your silliness all the time. If you make statements that are false or misleading, you are going to be corrected, by people of both genders. Better get used to it 
That is not an order, just a friendly suggestion.
That is not an order, just a friendly suggestion.
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Your jokes are not really funny. Better to be straight up than to be taken the wrong way and having to explain your desire to be a funny guy and then apologizing for your silliness all the time. If you make statements that are false or misleading, you are going to be corrected, by people of both genders. Better get used to it That is not an order, just a friendly suggestion.
That is not an order, just a friendly suggestion.
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I am not saying she was a slouch, just that what is credited to her and by her hand could be tasks performed by her servants, which would be normal, and yes, we need to read into the text an understanding of the culture at the time and not equate it to what we know of today's culture, which is completely different in many regards. Nobody wore purple or scarlet or magenta (yes, a colour ) unless they were very well off. Well off people had servants do things for them all the day long. Proverbs is a book based on metaphor, and wisdom is anthropomorphized as a woman. It is also a poem, and not all take it to be describing one woman only, but rather a full range of what are considered womanly virtues and responsibilities.
) unless they were very well off. Well off people had servants do things for them all the day long. Proverbs is a book based on metaphor, and wisdom is anthropomorphized as a woman. It is also a poem, and not all take it to be describing one woman only, but rather a full range of what are considered womanly virtues and responsibilities.
I'm going to disagree with you but only in part, and not for the reasons you might think.
Her Tasks:
As a wealthy woman, we can look at the nuance of the text and see that some of the things she did were probably accomplished by servants or staff, in which case she managed and "oversaw" them. But there also seem to be passages referring very specifically to her, and to her own hands.
I think these distinctions are important because they help us to have an even HIGHER view of this woman.
The woman in Proverbs 31 is the very pinnacle, the zenith, of what womanly virtue can attain.
So we see what appears to be both her ABILITY to manage others, and her WILLINGNESS to also do ordinary tasks with her own hands.
Not a modern celebrity:
This wasn't a modern celebrity... someone too proud to do menial tasks, or too impractical to manage or delegate, or too self absorbed to care for her family.
She did it all... and she even ran a business.
She could manage others, and care for her family, and do simple tasks which were beneath her, and run a business... and in all of this her husband trusted her completely, utterly, and never questioned her.
I think some of these allusions to menial tasks are extremely important.
This shows that although she was wealthy, her money didn't control her, it didn't change and warp her... she was still down to earth. And even with all her wealth, and responsibility, and status... she was still humble, and wise, and thoughtful.
Principle upon principle:
In her we see principle upon principle, ethic upon ethic.
As men, we read this passage and think, "What kind of man must I become for God to entrust me with such a woman."
This passage has encouraged both men and women for millennia... because here God shows us the very pinnacle of what a virtuous woman can be.
It challenges women to become like her, and it challenges men to become someone a woman like her would follow.
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Like Magenta said, "Adam caused ALL of creation to fall' because sin entered the WORLD when Adam sinned in the garden - not Eve.
Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12 Therefore, just as SIN ENTERED THE WORLD THROUGH ONE MAN, and death through sin,and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— Romans 5:12 (NIV)
Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12 Therefore, just as SIN ENTERED THE WORLD THROUGH ONE MAN, and death through sin,and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— Romans 5:12 (NIV)
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:24 NIV
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Ephesians 5:25
Unless the wife see's the husband dying to self daily, she will not be able to submit to her husband!
The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)
Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Ephesians 5:25
Unless the wife see's the husband dying to self daily, she will not be able to submit to her husband!
The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)
Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
Oh please, let us not pick up just what we like
0 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
I know that you like that her man is saying nice things of her. But you must realize you would not like to be like her in America today
So if we say "A", let us say also "B".
0 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
I know that you like that her man is saying nice things of her. But you must realize you would not like to be like her in America today
So if we say "A", let us say also "B".
Unfortunately, too many people fail to recognize that many of the duties outlined in Proverbs 31 are mutual; they apply to both men and women. They are part of the Christian lifestyle.
Mutual Duties Listed in Pr 31:
Be Strong
A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies (v.10). The phrase translated as “virtuous woman” or “woman of noble character” means Eshet CHAYIL in Hebrew. CHAYIL (Strong’s 2428) means to display strength. The word CHAYIL is also used to describe mighty men of valor in the Bible: Josh 1:14, 6:2; Judg 6:12; 2 Kgs 15:20. Men can and should be noble and virtuous (CHAYIL) too.
Do Good
She will do him good … (v.12). As believers, men and women are admonished to “do good” to our enemies (Lu 6:27, 35). Christian men and women are admonished to “do good” and to share with others (He 13:16).
Do No Harm
She brings him good, not harm … (v.12). Husbands are instructed to love their wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her (Eph 5:25). Romans 13:10 tells us that “love does no harm.” Therefore, if a husband loves his wife, he will not harm her.
Work With Your Hands
She … works with eager hands (v.13). Christian men and women are called to live a quiet lives, mind our business and “work with our hands” … (1 Th 4:11).
Clothe ourselves with strength
Strength and dignity are her clothing (v. 25). Christian men and women are told to be strong by CLOTHING ourselves with the full armor of God (Eph 6:10-18 NET).
Don’t Be Idle
She … does not eat the bread of idleness (v.27). Paul proclaimed the value of hard work and sternly warned men and women not to be idle (2 Th 3:6-12). “And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone” ( 1 Th 5:14).
Speak With Wisdom
She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue (v.26). “The mouth of the righteous man utters wisdom, and his tongue speaks what is just” (Ps 37:30).
Pr 10:31
Care for the Poor
She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy (v.20). Christian men and women are admonished to care for the poor and needy (Ma 25:34-40).
Fear the Lord
… a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised (v. 30). “Blessed is the man who fears the LORD, who greatly delights in his commandments!” (Ps 112:1)
A Christian husband should also perform many of the duties outlined in Pr 31: displaying strength, doing their spouses good and not harm, working with their hands, not being idle, speaking wisdom, caring for the poor and fearing the Lord. Those responsibilities are simply part of the Christian lifestyle.
An excellent wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels (v. *10).
Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness; but a faithful man, who can find? Pr 20:6
That's why I've never really felt overly pressured by Pr 31 as a woman because I recognize that most of the duties listed there apply to both men and women.
The husband described in Pr 31: 23 is a man like Job. How do we know that? We know what it means for a man to be respected at the gates (publicly) in the Old Testament because Job demonstrated that for us. Job was known in the gates and sat among the elders of the land (Job 29:7). Job EARNED respect at the gates because he assisted the poor and orphans. He helped those without hope. Everything he did was honest. He served as eyes for the blind and feet for the lame. He was a father to the poor. He broke the jaws of godless oppressors. People listened to his advice. Those were some of the responsibilities for elders in the Old Testament. Unfortunately, Job's wife was not a virtuous woman, yet that had no bearing on Job's behavior and the respect that he EARNED at the gates because he was a man of integrity.
So, if we want to know what it means for a Jewish man (because this is about Jewish culture) to be respected at the gates we can study Job. Therefore, the implication in Pr 31 is that her husband was busy EARNING respect at the gates - not being lazy, a busybody, gossiping and neglecting his community service.
I didn't like the video
I didn't like the interviewer and his didn't like the scripture interjection unnecessarily implying negative comments about the wife
It seemed like a hostile interview
I did like the married couple and I particularly liked the wife's correct understanding that a husband has to be a godly man which paralleled her husband's comment that the wife follows the husband as the husband follows CHRIST
I didn't like the interviewer and his didn't like the scripture interjection unnecessarily implying negative comments about the wife
It seemed like a hostile interview
I did like the married couple and I particularly liked the wife's correct understanding that a husband has to be a godly man which paralleled her husband's comment that the wife follows the husband as the husband follows CHRIST
The problem with your view is that you are quoting places with the difference of 1000 years and with absolutely different context.
If Salomon or other king did not work manually, he could not eat? This idea is absurd. They were not living according to Paul.
You also try to see what it not in the text, actually, Its about working woman, sorry
If Salomon or other king did not work manually, he could not eat? This idea is absurd. They were not living according to Paul.
You also try to see what it not in the text, actually, Its about working woman, sorry
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