Should Christians be supportive of Israel?

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Should Christians be supportive of Israel? Any thoughts of this with Biblical support?

For those of you that have an interest for things going on in Israel here is a site you will find informative,
Its called " Behold Israel " and you can find it on YouTube. Its done by a Christian Pastor who
broadcasts live throughout Israel, often from Jerusalem.


 
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No, I believe we should not support it. The modern state is not the continuation of that ancient nation we read about in the Scriptures. We ought to treat that nation as we treat other nations.

We are the spiritual Israel that was foreshadowed by the typical one in the Old Testament.
 
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Also, have you seen what they have been doing to the Palenstinians, and what the Zionist movement is? Check them out...
 

Locutus

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Nope........well, not from a biblical standpoint.
 
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With all I have rad about Zionism, it is very difficult for me to be supportive of Israel. I support the people living in that geographical region insomuch that I hope they can one day live a stable coexistence with their neighbors, but I do not support the political ideologies and machinations of the "State of Israel".

The above is something I feel I don't dare say in mixed company though, because in today's climate, saying anything other than "I love Israel" gets a person labeled as an anti-semite. Monkey muffins.
 
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With all I have rad about Zionism, it is very difficult for me to be supportive of Israel. I support the people living in that geographical region insomuch that I hope they can one day live a stable coexistence with their neighbors, but I do not support the political ideologies and machinations of the "State of Israel".

The above is something I feel I don't dare say in mixed company though, because in today's climate, saying anything other than "I love Israel" gets a person labeled as an anti-semite. Monkey muffins.
Fair Enough, To clarify; mostly what I mean is prayerful support. In Genesis 12:3 God say whoever blesses Israel he will bless and whoever curses Israel he will curse. I believe this still applies today. I have noticed over the 40 years more and more of a hatred for Israel and its no surprise that this current world will end with the Return of Christ as the armies of many nations come against Israel to destroy her.
 

joaniemarie

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Yes, I support Israel and their right to exist. I support our country standing with Israel against those who seek to destroy them. Israel will always be hated by the world because satan hates Israel and hates us the grafted in branches. I think also of all the great prophets in the Bible knowing they are my forefathers in the faith.

The Jewish people today need Jesus and we need to be praying for them and the peace of Jerusalem. Yes, there are different views on this subject but mine are these. God used the Jews to bring us Jesus who was a Jew who came from a whole line of Jews. God used the Jews to write most of the Bible. I've always supported Israel for those 2 reasons alone but also in light of those reasons Israel has many enemies who have sworn to erase them off the face of the map. I know it is a spiritual battle.

Looking at the history and in light of today's goings on over in the Middle East and getting a first hand view of Israel's enemies I would of course stand with them politically too. ISIS/Islam is a disease spreading across the planet seeking to demolish everyone in it's path. The nation Israel has always been hated by those factions in the Middle East. Seeing the goings ons over there and since prophecy is coming to pass as the Bible has told us when we see these things happening the times are drawing to a close making way for the coming of Christ for His bride.


I frankly don't see how a believer or even an American or others living in the free parts of the world would not support Israel against such an evil but I know many do not.
 

joaniemarie

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Should Christians be supportive of Israel? Any thoughts of this with Biblical support?

For those of you that have an interest for things going on in Israel here is a site you will find informative,
Its called " Behold Israel " and you can find it on YouTube. Its done by a Christian Pastor who
broadcasts live throughout Israel, often from Jerusalem.





Just checked out the site on FB and it looks to be a good organization. Thanks for posting mike777
 
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Should Christians be supportive of Israel? Any thoughts of this with Biblical support?

For those of you that have an interest for things going on in Israel here is a site you will find informative,
Its called " Behold Israel " and you can find it on YouTube. Its done by a Christian Pastor who
broadcasts live throughout Israel, often from Jerusalem.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Woo doggy,I think we should be supportive of Israel.

Old Testament given to the Jews.Jesus said salvation is of the Jews.New Testament given to the Jews.Gentile when saved are a Jew inward,considered a Jew,and belong to the commonwealth of Israel,and partake of the promises given to them.God gets His people off the earth,the world attacks Israel,God comes back with all the saints,defeats the world,kingdom on earth restored to Israel,Jesus and the saints rule over one sixth of the world that fought against Israel.The millennial reign over,the saints go to the New Jerusalem,and new earth,and heaven,and the former earth,and heaven,will not be remembered,or come to mind,given to Israel,for the apostles of the Lamb,and the 12 tribes of Israel,are written in the New Jerusalem.

And why would we not support Israel as Gentiles,for we are a Jew,and belong to Israel,that is our heritage,and land now.

You are a Jew,and belong to Israel,if you are a saved Gentile,and why would you not support your own people the Jews,and your land,Israel.

Israel is our nation now,so let us support her,and defend our land.

Israel is the Church,and all promises given to her,unto eternal life,and God will turn Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah in the future.
 

NayborBear

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Yes, I support Israel and their right to exist. I support our country standing with Israel against those who seek to destroy them. Israel will always be hated by the world because satan hates Israel and hates us the grafted in branches. I think also of all the great prophets in the Bible knowing they are my forefathers in the faith.

The Jewish people today need Jesus and we need to be praying for them and the peace of Jerusalem. Yes, there are different views on this subject but mine are these. God used the Jews to bring us Jesus who was a Jew who came from a whole line of Jews. God used the Jews to write most of the Bible. I've always supported Israel for those 2 reasons alone but also in light of those reasons Israel has many enemies who have sworn to erase them off the face of the map. I know it is a spiritual battle.

Looking at the history and in light of today's goings on over in the Middle East and getting a first hand view of Israel's enemies I would of course stand with them politically too. ISIS/Islam is a disease spreading across the planet seeking to demolish everyone in it's path. The nation Israel has always been hated by those factions in the Middle East. Seeing the goings ons over there and since prophecy is coming to pass as the Bible has told us when we see these things happening the times are drawing to a close making way for the coming of Christ for His bride.


I frankly don't see how a believer or even an American or others living in the free parts of the world would not support Israel against such an evil but I know many do not.
What she said!....Only DOUBLE!! :cool:
 

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Based on the biblical reference below I believe that it would be wise for Christians to support Israel. This does not mean that you agree with everything they do or say only that you are acknowledging that these are God's chosen people and are the apple of His eye.

Gen 12: 1-3

1The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. 2“I will make you into a great nation,and I will bless you;I will make your name great,and you will be a blessing.3I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse;and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
 

Desertsrose

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Should Christians be supportive of Israel? Any thoughts of this with Biblical support?For those of you that have an interest for things going on in Israel here is a site you will find informative,Its called " Behold Israel " and you can find it on YouTube. Its done by a Christian Pastor who broadcasts live throughout Israel, often from Jerusalem.
Hi Mike,

The guys name is Amir. You can download the app and receive updates from Him daily. He lives in Israel if I'm not mistaken.
 

Desertsrose

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Yes, Even in the NT, Paul tells us to bless Israel with our material blessings because she has blessed us with her spiritual blessings.
 

joaniemarie

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Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Woo doggy,I think we should be supportive of Israel.

Old Testament given to the Jews.Jesus said salvation is of the Jews.New Testament given to the Jews.Gentile when saved are a Jew inward,considered a Jew,and belong to the commonwealth of Israel,and partake of the promises given to them.God gets His people off the earth,the world attacks Israel,God comes back with all the saints,defeats the world,kingdom on earth restored to Israel,Jesus and the saints rule over one sixth of the world that fought against Israel.The millennial reign over,the saints go to the New Jerusalem,and new earth,and heaven,and the former earth,and heaven,will not be remembered,or come to mind,given to Israel,for the apostles of the Lamb,and the 12 tribes of Israel,are written in the New Jerusalem.

And why would we not support Israel as Gentiles,for we are a Jew,and belong to Israel,that is our heritage,and land now.

You are a Jew,and belong to Israel,if you are a saved Gentile,and why would you not support your own people the Jews,and your land,Israel.

Israel is our nation now,so let us support her,and defend our land.

Israel is the Church,and all promises given to her,unto eternal life,and God will turn Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah in the future.



Hey mattforJesus., I agree with most of your post and love the verses you posted.
I know we are grafted in but Israel is not the church. Please bear with me since it's been many years since I've been fresh in the prophecy teachings. Many Jewish believers (those who have received Jesus Christ as Savior) will go with the "church" the "bride" ( because they will be the bride just like we are who accepted Christ) in the rapture of the church when Jesus comes in the sky and we will meet Him in the air. 1 Thess.4:13-18

[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that fall asleep; that ye sorrow not, even as the rest, who have no hope.
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14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep [SUP][a][/SUP]in Jesus will God bring with him.
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15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the [SUP][b][/SUP]coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.
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16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;
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17 [/SUP]then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Wherefore [SUP][c][/SUP]comfort one another with these words.



But the church is a distinct group of believers during this dispensation. The Gospel is going forward and the gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought that He is the Way the Truth and the Life., He is Savior of sinners is spreading all over the world like no other time in history. It's amazing to consider. It sure does comfort us to talk about this together. After we the church the bride leave., then these MAJOR prophetic things will occur.

The nation of Israel., the Jewish nation will be as you said the place where all this fighting will take place and is going on now. But nothing like it will be during the tribulation. The church (bride) will be taken out before these historic prophetic things occur. I need to brush up on my Bible reading about prophecy.

 
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We are also "warned" to "Beware those that say they are of Israel, but are of the synagogue of satan".
That is true,so we go by what Jesus said,you will know them be their fruits.Do they act Christlike which is to represent goodness,for many do not represent goodness,and all sin is unrighteousness,even one sin.
 

joaniemarie

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Knowing how other Christians feel about Israel reminds me of how some Christians just don't accept certain teachings in the Bible. I don't count them as the enemy., just in need of seeing the truth of the matter and the Holy Spirit is well able to do that in all of us believers. I need to learn more too just as much as if not more than any one else. We should always be learning more about Jesus and the Bible.


There are many differences of interpretation and I would not make the mistake of marking any believer as an enemy. It's been done to me and I see the foolishness of those who do that and how it hurts the body of Christ.

We Christians may not agree on certain subjects in the Bible about prophecy or some other issues but we agree on the Person of Jesus Christ. He is the only Way because He is the Way the Truth and the life. The God-man., The Son of God, The Savior. God with us., Our Great High Priest., the Messiah, our Advocate, etc...

If a brother or sister doesn't believe prophecy the way I do or speaking in tongues the way I do or about the security of the believer like I do.... it doesn't mean they are not true Christians. A Christian is one who believes who Jesus Christ said He is and has the Holy Spirit as a seal just like me. We are part of the body of Christ. We don't come against each other. never. We can agree to disagree but we can come together in Christ. We must! Especially in these last days as we see the day approaching.
 

Locutus

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There is no biblical support for a return to the land except in repentance - the occupiers are mainly atheists therefore they have usurped the land.
 
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There is no biblical support for a return to the land except in repentance - the occupiers are mainly atheists therefore they have usurped the land.
Shhhhh, no one wants to hear that. Besides, we ought to read what happened to Israel in prophecy and historically...
 

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I do not think there is any Biblical support for the present day Israel. We are are the true Israel, and that includes Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

That being said, how quickly people have forgotten what happened to the Jews in WWII. And even the people that escaped, when they got out of Europe on boats, they came to North America, and they were rejected by both Canada and the US. They then went to Israel, because they had nothing left, and ended up in prisoner camps in Cyprus.

I think it is wonderful the Jews have a homeland. No, it is not a promise of the OT, but yes, it is a humanitarian issue.

As for all this Palestinian propaganda, (and I use the term "Palestinian" loosely!) about how Israel kicked them off their land, that is NOT what happened. They were invited to stay by Israel, and both Christian and Muslim Arabs stayed. They are enjoying Israeli citizenship today, including their descendents. What made the majority of Palestinian Arabs leave, was because the surrounding Arab nations told them to leave, they would evict the Jews from Israel by war, and then they could go back. Jordan and Egypt were implicit in this.

So, did the Arab countries destroy Israel? No, and those Palestinians are paying the price nearly 70 years later. They have been living in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon. Initially there were 70,000 refugees, now there are nearly 5 million! That is generations living in refugee camps! (How come these propagandizers never talk about that!?) and they have been taught how to hate in the West Bank and Gaza. Are the Israelis the aggressors or defenders? Well, they warn people when they are going to retaliate for Hamas missiles and rockets. They ask them to leave the buildings that are being targeted. But the people don't! Why you ask? Because they want to be martyrs for Allah, and that includes their children.

The Jews need somewhere to go. The land was flooded with immigrants escaping certain death, with no place to go, as no country in the world would let them in. The Muslims (what a surprise??) want to destroy Israel, even though they have so many countries with space and money that should be taking in the Palestinians, their brothers. Instead, the Muslims nations are using them as fodder in an international war against the Jews.

I suggest some of you young people need to actually research some history as to what happened to result in Partition, and after. And how many times the Muslims (read Arab nations) have attacked Israel, to wipe them off the earth. And yet, not only will they not let the Palestinians move to their countries, they also won't take Iraqi or Syrian refugees. The only hypocrisy here, is the Muslims in their treatment of both Israel and their fellow Muslims.

"What do they teach them in the schools these days?"

(I am not a dispie, but I do have compassion on a people that were almost destroyed in WWII! I just wish people would understand that there is no plan B for the Jews!)