Forgive your brother only if he repents?

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Desertsrose

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Hi Guys,

I've got a friend that says you don't forgive others if they haven't repented. Would that be accurate?

Luke 17:3,4
Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”
 

Locutus

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Good question.
 

Desertsrose

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It's caused me to take what she said seriously. :) Just wondering if there are other scriptures that would oppose it.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Forgive those who hurt you is really you moving on from that abuse and giving it to God.

But yes forgive those who seek repentance also
 
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Did the people at the base of the cross ever change their cries of "Crucify him!"?
 

Locutus

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That only applies to brothers - the sisters have to forgive regardless....:p


I'm a man, but I can change, If I have to, I guess.
 

Magenta

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Resentments are like taking poison and hoping someone else dies.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Jesus forgave the paralysed man ... he didn't ask forgiveness for sins (or if he did it sure isn't mentioned), he (or his friends) asked for healing.

...and the bible keeps telling us that our sins won't be forgiven if we don't forgive, so it is hardly a good idea to hold on to resentment. - That being said, that doesn't mean we should be anyone's doormat, there's always the option of "taking it to the elders".
 

Locutus

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What happens when you are older than the elders in church??
 

Desertsrose

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Jesus forgave the paralysed man ... he didn't ask forgiveness for sins (or if he did it sure isn't mentioned), he (or his friends) asked for healing. ...and the bible keeps telling us that our sins won't be forgiven if we don't forgive, so it is hardly a good idea to hold on to resentment. - That being said, that doesn't mean we should be anyone's doormat, there's always the option of "taking it to the elders".
Hi wwjd,

Did Jesus forgive him or did he just do a kindness by healing him?

Using the example in 1 Corinthians 5, the man has his brothers wife. There was no forgiveness for him until he repented. He was put out of the church until he did repent.

Personally, I forgive others all the time whether they ask for forgiveness or not. But I'm wondering if we are allowing or enabling others to continue in sin if we don't have church discipline.
 
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I try to forgive folks regardless, however in the examples that Jesus gave the person asked for forgiveness. In at least one case we know that Paul did not forgive a man who came against him and the gospel message for Paul said, the Lord repay him according to his deeds. That is not forgiveness, that is asking God's judgment on an evil doer.
 

Pemican

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Mat 18:21-23 Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" Jesus *said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."

(Seventy times seven is a metaphor for an unlimited number.)

I think to hold a grudge or unforgiving attitude toward others is wrong. Think of what this does to your own soul, building resentment, anger, hatred etc. Forgiveness mean forgetting the sin, letting it go. Also, does not God forgive us of all our sins whether we know they are sins or can even remember them all. Yes He does. And are you so much better than the one who offended you? Have you not done the same thing yourself? Since God forgives us of all sin, should we not imitate Him. When Christ said to the lame man "Your sins are forgiven" did the lame man ask to be forgiven? No, he wanted to be healed. Jesus did both.

Forgiveness does not necessarily eliminate the function of justice, either from human judicial systems or from God.
 
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PennEd

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Hi Guys,

I've got a friend that says you don't forgive others if they haven't repented. Would that be accurate?

Luke 17:3,4
Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”
THIS IS THE NEXT DAY FROM WHEN HE KILLED THEIR LOVED ONES!!!

So here is the answer to your question. Forgiveness should NOT be tied to repentance: [video=youtube;ieS7VZ6Ak-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieS7VZ6Ak-c[/video]
 
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Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

A revelation of the forgiveness of God that is in Christ will release the forgiveness that is already in us. His nature will transform our un-renewed minds.
 
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Spokenpassage

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You can't love your neighbor if you can't forgive them. Does that battle against such an idea? I mean, we are called to love our neighbors.
 
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Did the people at the base of the cross ever change their cries of "Crucify him!"?
The same is true with Stephen.....while being stoned to death and plugs of flesh being bitten from him he cried, "LORD, lay not this sin to their charge"

AND JESUS said, "FATHER forgive them for they know not what they do".....

Seems to me the forgiveness is preemptive...........
 
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Hi Guys,

I've got a friend that says you don't forgive others if they haven't repented. Would that be accurate?

Luke 17:3,4
Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”
Usually, when someone is causing you trouble, you are focused on protecting yourself. If a person wants to be forgiven, it would seem wise to me that they stop causing trouble.
 
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Matthew 6:14 - For if you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours.
 
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The bible does not tell us to hold a grudge, however it does tell us to "give place", in other words believe that God will make sure that justice is done. We need to remember that God is a God of justice, no one in this life gets away with anything. It is true that Jesus asked God to forgive those who killed Him, so they were not immediately struck down, however they later died and have been in hell ever since. Stephen asked God to forgive those who killed him, so they were not immediately struck down and one of them even became a great apostle(Paul) however the rest are probably in hell. My point is, we need to be careful that we do not allow ourselves to think that doing evil to someone can be solved by the victim saying, I forgive you. Those folks in the black church forgave that man for the murders he committed, and that was a noble thing to do, however he will still be put to death for what he did. I think the "I forgive" has went overboard today, we have folks attacked by wild animals who forgive the animal, evil people doing horrible things to others, and the "I forgive" is immediate, many of these people are not even Christian. We need to call evil, evil, and deal with it. In my state it has been all over the news, this effort to move heaven and earth in order to save the life of a man who shot two young girls in the head for a few dollars. That man needs to die, why all this sympathy for a murderer?
 

Desertsrose

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Great comments everyone!

I found an article that describes better what she's talking about. What do you think of the article?

Unconditional forgiveness is canceling a debt to all those who intentionally offend us, whether or not they own up to what they have done. Offering forgiveness without repentance, however, does not follow the biblical model of forgiveness (Luke 17:3,4).

The Bible says that we are to forgive as God forgave us (Ephesians 4:32, Colossians 3:13). God forgives us when we repent (Mark 1:15, Luke 13:3,5, Acts 3:19). He does not grant forgiveness to those of us who are stiff-necked and refuse to repent.

We must recognize our sin and repent to receive and enjoy God’s merciful forgiveness. God requires repentance and so must we.Repentance is important because it’s a person’s only hope for real change (Matthew 18:3; Acts 26:20). If we don’t admit our sin, it’s impossible to be transformed.

If we aren’t keenly aware of the sinful direction our lives are going, we will not see a need to adjust the direction. Repentance demonstrates that we need God to help us change our thinking, attitudes, and behavior.An unrepentant person maintains a sense of control over his life through pride, which can lead to destruction, violence, and animosity (Proverbs 8:13; 16:18; 29:23).

Turning toward God (repentance) is necessary to break the cycle of destructive behaviors and patterns of relating to others. If as believers we don’t require repentance on the part of the offender, we stand in the way of that person’s coming to see his need for God and experiencing His forgiveness.

To put it simply, forgiveness is a two-way process: repentance on the part of the offender and pardon on the part of the offended.When only one part of the forgiveness process takes place, the hurt felt by the offended one can lead to hatred, bitterness, and desire for revenge.

Because we desperately want relief from the gnawing desire to get even, we can be tempted to let an issue go, or “forgive” without ever confronting the person or waiting for him to show remorse.It’s wrong, however, to assume that if we don’t forgive someone, we’ll be weighed down with hatred, bitterness, and revengeful desires.

That’s not necessarily true because the Bible says we are to love a person regardless of whether or not he or she shows any remorse. We can love our enemies1, but continue to have an unsettled issue with them. In many cases, it is more loving to withhold forgiveness until a change of heart is demonstrated than it is to offer forgiveness without the offender’s acknowledgment of deliberate wrongdoing.

Instead of giving in to revenge, we can soften our hearts toward those who have hurt us when we humbly admit that we, too, have hurt others. It is only by God’s grace that we can enjoy His goodness toward us at all. Just as important, we can have faith that God will avenge if it is necessary (Leviticus 19:18, Romans 12:19-21) and that He will hold each of us accountable (Romans 14:12; Hebrews 4:13 ).

We don’t need to worry because our pain doesn’t go unnoticed by our Lord (Psalm 147:3). With that frame of mind, we can demonstrate a deeper trust in God and be led to pray for those who’ve hurt us.Yes, an unconditional pardon can be granted without the offender ever knowing they’ve hurt us.

But this one-sided “forgiveness” is not in our best interest, nor in the best interest of the person who hurt us. It devalues the significance of repentance and robs both the offender and us of the opportunity to grow in Christ.

The ultimate purpose of forgiveness is the healing of a relationship. This healing occurs only when the offender repents and demonstrates remorse and the offended one grants a pardon and demonstrates loving acceptance.

An enemy can be defined as one who intentionally hurts us, is destructive, and can’t be trusted because of his or her lack of remorse. Unconditional forgiveness implies that our response to our enemies should be to offer a pardon with no response on the part of the offender.

The Bible teaches, however, that we should respond to our enemies in love (Matthew 5:44). Scripture does not teach that we need to forgive our enemies. Instead, we should love them and pray for them. Love and forgiveness are not synonymous.
 
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