Eternal and Forever are Mistranslations

[dcontroversal]

Tell me, will someone who believes not be judged by by the law if he murders or if he commits adultery? Clearly, even if he believes, he is still committing sins contrary to the Law, for have you not read, "murderes, adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God"? These are commands found in the Law. You cannot separate belief from Law, because belief should cause you to obey Law, not to disobey it, otherwise your belief is dead.

You do understand that JESUS paid for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD right......the LAW is a SCHOOLMASTER and takes ALL by the hand and points them to a few things....such as...

a. WE cannot meet GOD's standard
b. There is ONE who MEETS GOD'S STANDARD--->JESUS

BY FAITH the condemnation of the LAW is removed from ALL who believe and the RIGHTESOUSNESS of CHRIST WITHOUT the LAW is APPLIED and IMPUTED unto all who believe.....

DO you think murder and adultery are the only disqualifying sins....IF you break one of the least of the COMMANDMENTS you are GUILTY of the WHOLE LAW.....SIN as defined by the LAW is not the issue as that has been dealt with by JESUS at the cross....HE is the PROPITIATION for the SINS of the WHOLE WORLD and we are UNDER A NEW COVENANT that was not RATIFIED until the DEATH of CHRIST on the cross

THIS is the biggest thing most miss....JESUS was UNDER THE LAW and the OLD COVENANT which was until JOHN....the NEW COVENANT was DID NOT come on line until the death of JESUS and exactly why he said what he said of the which you quote.

OF course all murderers, liars, adulterers etc. will be found GUILTY and not inherit the KINGDOM.....ALL the ones who are NOT REDEEMED and covered by the BLOOD of the NEW Covenant of FAITH!

 

[christig]

You do understand that JESUS paid for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD right......the LAW is a SCHOOLMASTER and takes ALL by the hand and points them to a few things....such as...

a. WE cannot meet GOD's standard
b. There is ONE who MEETS GOD'S STANDARD--->JESUS

BY FAITH the condemnation of the LAW is removed from ALL who believe and the RIGHTESOUSNESS of CHRIST WITHOUT the LAW is APPLIED and IMPUTED unto all who believe.....

DO you think murder and adultery are the only disqualifying sins....IF you break one of the least of the COMMANDMENTS you are GUILTY of the WHOLE LAW.....SIN as defined by the LAW is not the issue as that has been dealt with by JESUS at the cross....HE is the PROPITIATION for the SINS of the WHOLE WORLD and we are UNDER A NEW COVENANT that was not RATIFIED until the DEATH of CHRIST on the cross

THIS is the biggest thing most miss....JESUS was UNDER THE LAW and the OLD COVENANT which was until JOHN....the NEW COVENANT was DID NOT come on line until the death of JESUS and exactly why he said what he said of the which you quote.

OF course all murderers, liars, adulterers etc. will be found GUILTY and not inherit the KINGDOM.....ALL the ones who are NOT REDEEMED and covered by the BLOOD of the NEW Covenant of FAITH!

We ourselves cannot fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law, which is why it is necessary to be baptized in the holy spirit, to then be caused to fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law, but the baptism of the holy spirit first comes by belief in Jesus Christ, and then repentance, which means to stop breaking the Law. If you think the Law is abolished, you can never truly repent, because indeed murder and adultery are not the only sins revealed in the law, there are MANY sins, in which case if you discard the Law, which is indeed the schoolmaster, the reveals EVERYTHING that is sin, you will never be able to FULLY repent, and subsequently never be able to receive the holy spirit that will then perfect you and cause to you "uphold Law". I have a study on this here Repentance and Sin No More, Perfection and Born of the Spirit | Wisdom of God .

 

[dcontroversal]

We ourselves cannot fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law, which is why it is necessary to be baptized in the holy spirit, to then be caused to fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law, but the baptism of the holy spirit first comes by belief in Jesus Christ, and then repentance, which means to stop breaking the Law. If you think the Law is abolished, you can never truly repent, because indeed murder and adultery are not the only sins revealed in the law, there are MANY sins, in which case if you discard the Law, which is indeed the schoolmaster, the reveals EVERYTHING that is sin, you will never be able to FULLY repent, and subsequently never be able to receive the holy spirit that will then perfect you and cause to you "uphold Law". I have a study on this here Repentance and Sin No More, Perfection and Born of the Spirit | Wisdom of God .

..........wrong...........

 

[christig]

..........wrong...........

Then continue discarding the Law and see what happens. It is difficult to reason with someone about perfection and being born of the spirit when they think the Law matters not and has been discarded. It is like trying to reason with an atheist about why they need to be holy or even believe in Jesus Christ for that matter.

 

[maxwel]

You mean they weren't saying the same things about Jesus... that his ideas were going against their orthodoxy? I could have sworn those were almost the exact words many people back in those days used about Him.

* And YOU are often suggesting MY words go against YOUR particular orthodoxy... the things YOU believe.

* So, when I go against YOUR particular orthodoxy... does that make ME like Christ, and YOU like a Pharisee?





Your arguments on this particular issue are illogical.

They don't work.

Painting someone as a "bad guy" just because you disagree with them... that doesn't hold up. That isn't what Christ did either. He showed where people were going against scripture... he used scripture to measure things.




I'm willing to just drop this and move on.

 

[Spokenpassage]

"I'm willing to just drop this and move on."

I might just drop arguing at all. I see that the BDF is full of contention and a temptation for contention.