The Tzniut, Wives and Head Coverings

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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
 

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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
In the Orthodox church and some protestant churches this is a common practice. I grew up in a church where women wore the head coverings.

But it is not necessary, as Paul also said:
"But if anyone wants to argue about this, we do not have any custom like this, nor do any of God's churches."

So I would personally conclude that it should be this way but it is not anything of a high importance. It is not worthy of arguing.
 
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In the Orthodox church and some protestant churches this is a common practice.

But it is not necessary, as Paul also said:
"But if anyone wants to argue about this, we do not have any custom like this, nor do any of God's churches."

So I would personally conclude that it should be this way but it is not anything very important.
It is a "least of the commands" that must be obeyed, hence, "anyone who sets aside even the least of these commands will be called least in the kingdom of the heavens". I have a study on the tzniut here The Tzniut, Wives and Head Coverings | Wisdom of God .
 
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If people think they need to live by the law of Moses - there are 613 things for them to do. Fail to do one of them and you are a goner because you are guilty of all.

You need to start stoning your family members that try to get you to not observe the Sabbath Day as in the law of Moses. You need to start stoning family members if they are trying to get you not to trust in God.

There is a New Covenant. Come on over to it and believe in Christ's finished work for life and living.
 
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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
Christians are not under the Law. What religion are you of?
 

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If people think they need to live by the law of Moses - there are 613 things for them to do. Fail to do one of them and you are a goner because you are guilty of all.

You need to start stoning your family members that try to get you to not observe the Sabbath Day as in the law of Moses. You need to start stoning family members if they are trying to get you not to trust in God.

There is a New Covenant. Come on over to it and believe in Christ's finished work for life and living.
Lets say I believed you had to keep all 613.

Does that mean I'd have to the snip?
 
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Apostle Paul says it does not have to be obeyed... :)
He didn't say that, he said "we have no such custom", meaning that they obey it, and he was speaking against those who wanted to disobey it by arguing against it.
 

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He didn't say that, he said "we have no such custom", meaning that they obey it, and he was speaking against those who wanted to disobey it by arguing against it.
This does not make sense...
 
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This does not make sense...
How does it not make sense? Paul was giving the reasons why head coverings must be worn, and that the assemblies of God practice this. He was speaking against those who wanted to argue against this, meaning those who didn't want to obey this custom. This isn't difficult to understand.
 
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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
I don't believe Eve was cursed when she sinned. I think her sin had consequences, and one of those consequences was that men would rule over women. It isn't what the Lord wanted. He just knew that this would be a consequence of Eve's sin (Genesis 3).

Because of their sin, the Lord also said he would put enmity between men and women. Are we also supposed to accept that? No. The Lord wants us to overcome these things. He doesn’t emnity to exist between men and women, and he doesn’t want men to rule over women. The Lord is the ruler. Our job, men included, is to obey, not to rule.
 
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I don't believe Eve was cursed when she sinned. I think her sin had consequences, and one of those consequences was that men would rule over women. It isn't what the Lord wanted. He just knew that this would be a consequence of Eve's sin (Genesis 3).

Because of their sin, the Lord also said he would put enmity between men and women. Are we also supposed to accept that? No. The Lord wants us to overcome these things. He doesn’t emnity to exist between men and women, and he doesn’t want men to rule over women. The Lord is the ruler. Our job, men included, is to obey, not to rule.
How was she not cursed? She was,

1. Subsequently going to die.
2. Subsequently going to bear children in pain.
3. Subsequently going to have to "submit" to her husband, where to this day even wives have to remain silent in the assemblies.

Sounds like a curse to me. Not only was she cursed, but also her husband, and also the serpent.
 
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most people here are not jews i bet....... i was never in that mosaic covenant. come to Christ and stop worrying about what you wear on your head!!! trust me it'll be glorious
 
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If people think they need to live by the law of Moses - there are 613 things for them to do. Fail to do one of them and you are a goner because you are guilty of all.

You need to start stoning your family members that try to get you to not observe the Sabbath Day as in the law of Moses. You need to start stoning family members if they are trying to get you not to trust in God.

There is a New Covenant. Come on over to it and believe in Christ's finished work for life and living.
No doubt....he is just another worker for and cake taker pushing laws and ordinances that he himself cannot keep.....more fluff from the workers for......thank GOD JESUS set us free from this bondage under the law.......
 
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most people here are not jews i bet....... i was never in that mosaic covenant. come to Christ and stop worrying about what you wear on your head!!! trust me it'll be glorious
Disobedience does not end in glory, it ends in destruction.
 
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It looks like all of us are in trouble. Who has never sinned? We are all blotted from the book of life.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


See what happens when we don't read scripture through what Christ has already done for us on the cross and resurrection? We end up with a religion that tries to do what Christ has already done for us. Religion is a very poor substitute for the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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It looks like all of us are in trouble. Who has never sinned? We are all blotted from the book of life.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


See what happens when we don't read scripture through what Christ has already done for us on the cross and resurrection? We end up with a religion that tries to do what Christ has already done for us. Religion is a very poor substitute for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you suppose that Jesus Christ came that you may continue to sin unto disobedience, or that you may be forgiven of past sins unto obedience?
 

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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
Hi Chris,

There is no command for the woman to cover her head in the Old Testament.

But even so, we don't come under the law, we come under the New Covenant of God's grace through faith.

This faith will obey the righteous requirements of the law. Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And love your neighbor as yourself. These two commandments fulfills all the law and all the prophets.
 
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Hi Chris,

There is no command for the woman to cover her head in the Old Testament.

But even so, we don't come under the law, we come under the New Covenant of God's grace through faith.

This faith will obey the righteous requirements of the law. Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And love your neighbor as yourself. These two commandments fulfills all the law and all the prophets.
There does not need to be a command of "thou shall" or "thou shall not", just a mere mention of something in the Law is sufficient to bind. Are you aware that even the passage of Onan, which does not contain a "thou shall" or "thou shall not", sufficiently reveals that all forms of contraception are wicked? This same relates to the passage or Rebekah veiling herself, it is a mandatory tradition that Paul instructed the assemblies to do.
 
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Im of jewish background and even I couldnt keep all the commandments (or mitzvot if you wanna be all cool and hebrew).
Once I came to Christ i held onto the sabbath observance and the bread and the candles and what not. Then the Lord showed me I can take a deep breath and rest in Him.
I also held on to the dietary laws (Kashrut, kosher whatever if you prefer the hebrew again), for a while, and I still think that those are good to follow but not mandatory. [By good I mean its healthy, pig is very bad meat compared to say, lamb or cow]

I dont mean to be rude but are you REALLY Israeli? Jew? or are you one of those hebrew roots gentiles who are roleplaying Jews and using hebrew slang without knowing the actual language? אני צריך לתרגל את העברית שלי.

I suggest you read this:
Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: