Who was and is Cain

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Cain
Who was this man Cain. It's clear Cain was the son of Satan. What would lead anyone to believe this.
For me Gods word tells me this. The first thing to tell us is we don't find Cain in Adams genealogy. Why isn't he there ? Matthew 24 :33-35 Ye serpents ye generation of vipers how can ye escape the damnation of hell ? Wherefore behold I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them ye shall kill and crucify and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth from the blood of righteous ABLE unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias whom slew between the temple and the altar. 1[SUP]st[/SUP] John3:11-12 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning that we should love one another. Not as CAIN WHO WAS OF THAT WICKED ONE and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him. Because his own works were evil and his brothers righteous. There are other verses like John 8: 44 and on. I ask why does man refuse to except the word of God and lean on the teachings of man.?????
 
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Cain
Who was this man Cain. It's clear Cain was the son of Satan.
...I ask why does man refuse to except the word of God and lean on the teachings of man.?????
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"Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.” (Genesis 4:1)

- Cain was the son of Adam and Eve. Its in the Bible.

"We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother." (John 3:11)

- This is meant spiritually, not physically.

- Its the same with us - we are physically of Adam, but spiritually of God; its the theme of the 1John.
 
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Buddy, I don't know what bible you read from, but it's not any bible that WE read from. You are sooooooo far off base with your insane theory that Cain was the son of satan, when CLEARLY the bible states that Eve conceived him with Adam...
 
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Buddy, I don't know what bible you read from, but it's not any bible that WE read from. You are sooooooo far off base with your insane theory that Cain was the son of satan, when CLEARLY the bible states that Eve conceived him with Adam...
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I know....how can anyone come up with this delusional rigmarole......Cain was ADAM'S firstborn son and I believe the language given makes ABEL his twin........(based upon ADAM knowing EVE AGAIN and bearing SETH which is not stated of ABEL)

Cain

a. Adam's firstborn
b. First LOST man
c. First false teacher<---WORKS<--JUDE
d. His lineage wiped out in the flood!
 
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buddyt said:
Cain
Who was this man Cain. It's clear Cain was the son of Satan. What would lead anyone to believe this.
For me Gods word tells me this. The first thing to tell us is we don't find Cain in Adams genealogy. Why isn't he there ?
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there are a lot of people not in genealogies.

in Matthew 1, Ismael is not mentioned as a son of Abraham - though we know full well that he is. neither is Esau mentioned as Isaac's son, though Jacob is, and we know Jacob is not the only son of Isaac.

the reason is that these are not full genealogies - Matthew skips generations (( e.g. Jehoiakim)) and doesn't list every single offspring of everyone he lists. that's not his purpose. he's showing the lineage of The Seed of the woman, not a family tree. to use Cain's absence from such a list as evidence Cain was fathered by a cherubim, not by Adam, is not only in clear contradiction with the record of scripture in Genesis but completely unsupportable as an inference, not understanding what is being given in the form of a record of heritage.

the genealogies of the Bible are showing God's promise being kept down through generations. they are not "ancestry.com"
so Ismael is not mentioned here because the promise is through Isaac, and Cain is not mentioned here likewise because the lineage of the Messiah, who is that promise, is through Abel. this doesn't mean Ismael, Esau and Cain are hybrid satanic/human demigod creatures. it means that you're missing the point.
 
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Wow I have not seen the serpent seed doctrine in a while. Look it up. Its pretty bad.
Blessings
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Those are the words of Eve not God. You don't believe Jesus word but listen to man's teachings.
 
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buddyt said:
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Those are the words of Eve not God. You don't believe Jesus word but listen to man's teachings.
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John is also a man and not Jesus.
 
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Your correct Cain and Able were twins. But by different fathers. This whole thing involves the sin in the garden. Not eating fruit. Adam and Eve didn't cover there mouths with fig leaves they covered there private parts. It's interesting to me how man follows the teaching of man. And pays no attention to what the word says.
 
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Unlearned unread it's truly amazing.
 
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trofimus

I used Jesus speaking not John read your bible.
 
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buddyt said:
trofimus

I used Jesus speaking not John read your bible.
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1 John 3:11 is John speaking. And I was reacting to this verse...

Also, that Adam knew Eve and she had a son is not "Eve speaking", its Moses or whoever wrote this speaking. Eve said only the second part, the thank to the Lord.
 
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buddyt said:
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I used Jesus speaking not John read your bible.
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Only Jesus' words are valid? You don't see the logical fallacy of that way of thinking and interpreting scripture?
 
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Your correct Cain and Able were twins. But by different fathers. This whole thing involves the sin in the garden. Not eating fruit. Adam and Eve didn't cover there mouths with fig leaves they covered there private parts. It's interesting to me how man follows the teaching of man. And pays no attention to what the word says.
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You have rejected twice the words of others in scripture that weren't Jesus and claim no one pays attention to the word? You are pitting scripture against itself and grossly mishandling it.
 
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The Serpent Seed doctrine also gave rise (or at least helped) to the idea that the Jews are Satan's offspring (based also on a misinterpretation of Jesus' words to the Jewish leaders in John 8:44).

Think about that for a while..............
 
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NotmebutHim said:
The Serpent Seed doctrine also gave rise (or at least helped) to the idea that the Jews are Satan's offspring (based also on a misinterpretation of Jesus' words to the Jewish leaders in John 8:44).

Think about that for a while..............
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And, in fact, to be his offspring spiritually is much more worse than physically...
 
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Your correct Cain and Able were twins. But by different fathers. This whole thing involves the sin in the garden. Not eating fruit. Adam and Eve didn't cover there mouths with fig leaves they covered there private parts. It's interesting to me how man follows the teaching of man. And pays no attention to what the word says.
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By this reasoning, I suppose you think that James and John were both the offspring of a geophysical phenomena, since these too are the words of Jesus. Mark 3:17
 
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You have rejected twice the words of others in scripture that weren't Jesus and claim no one pays attention to the word? You are pitting scripture against itself and grossly mishandling it.
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POST 10.......tells me all I need to know....I guess EVE slept with Adam and the Serpent and got preggo by both.....WOW....yep........cake taker extraordinaire.....!
 
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