Oppression of women

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catmurky

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What does the bible say about oppressing women? Does anyone know anything about that? I’m asking because I had a huge discussion (I’d almost call it a fight actually) with a classmate about this subject, she’s an Atheist and is convinced that the bible is completely false and that it says Christians should oppress women. I mean, I agree that it talks a lot about women oppression, but that does not mean we should do it. Those are stories, but not all of them are requests/demands. But I have to admit: I’m not 100% sure about my thesis ^-^; All I know is that God is good and oppression definitely isn’t, so why would He ever support oppression?

I already asked someone a similar question and he responded like this:

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Back in those times, women were very.....well, uneducated. They were often "ratchet" and just not good for speaking to others about God and demonstrating mature and proper behavior (not all but majority women), so God did not want such people being in charge of just about anything. However, this has obviously changed especially in today's era where women are just as capable as men are.That being said, just keep in mind that God likes structure and order. He, for whatever divine and infinitely wise reasons He has prefers that men remain in charge and the head and leaders and women work beneath the man. Does this mean women cannot and should not preach, lead, and speak? Of course not! Women today should be just as hype for God and His work as men are! Many women are amazing preachers and have amazing hearts for ministry! But God would just prefer that they are under the power of a man who is just as strong in his ministry or even stronger. This does not mean the woman is now "weaker" or less valuable and etc, but more of she is just following custom and structure. She is still capable of doing all God has called her to do, but just does not have the title as the "Head Pastor" or something."


But that makes me wonder about something: Why doesn't the bible say something like "oh, I don't want women to be in charge when it comes to certain positions, BUT eventually there will be a time where women will be educated enough to be capable of it"
There are lot of prophecies in the bible, so why are there no predictions about this specific subject? (if that makes sense)

I'd highly appreciate your responses! :)
 

Demi777

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Owei wait for the answers. Heck will most likely break loose here
Well there were woman in power..very much
Deborah, Esther, Mary,...
The spirit of God was never limited to only men. Not in the OT or NT
 
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Child_Of_God777

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What does the bible say about oppressing women? Does anyone know anything about that? I’m asking because I had a huge discussion (I’d almost call it a fight actually) with a classmate about this subject, she’s an Atheist and is convinced that the bible is completely false and that it says Christians should oppress women. I mean, I agree that it talks a lot about women oppression, but that does not mean we should do it. Those are stories, but not all of them are requests/demands. But I have to admit: I’m not 100% sure about my thesis ^-^; All I know is that God is good and oppression definitely isn’t, so why would He ever support oppression?

I already asked someone a similar question and he responded like this:

"
Back in those times, women were very.....well, uneducated. They were often "ratchet" and just not good for speaking to others about God and demonstrating mature and proper behavior (not all but majority women), so God did not want such people being in charge of just about anything. However, this has obviously changed especially in today's era where women are just as capable as men are.That being said, just keep in mind that God likes structure and order. He, for whatever divine and infinitely wise reasons He has prefers that men remain in charge and the head and leaders and women work beneath the man. Does this mean women cannot and should not preach, lead, and speak? Of course not! Women today should be just as hype for God and His work as men are! Many women are amazing preachers and have amazing hearts for ministry! But God would just prefer that they are under the power of a man who is just as strong in his ministry or even stronger. This does not mean the woman is now "weaker" or less valuable and etc, but more of she is just following custom and structure. She is still capable of doing all God has called her to do, but just does not have the title as the "Head Pastor" or something."


But that makes me wonder about something: Why doesn't the bible say something like "oh, I don't want women to be in charge when it comes to certain positions, BUT eventually there will be a time where women will be educated enough to be capable of it"
There are lot of prophecies in the bible, so why are there no predictions about this specific subject? (if that makes sense)

I'd highly appreciate your responses! :)
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, ..."
 
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Child_Of_God777

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Men in the past had a different culture and didn't respect women like present time men, so no you don't oppress women, hope I helped ^_^
 
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1. Not only is a female apostle mentioned in the Bible, she is described by Paul himself as outstanding (Romans 16:7).

2. The Bible names four female prophets: Miriam (Exodus 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4), Huldah (2 Kings 22:14), and Anna (Luke 2:36). See also Acts 2:17-18.

3. The Apostle Paul considered one woman to be his "spiritual mom" (Romans 16:13).

4. Both Jesus and Paul did not think it as lowering themselves to speak of their ministries in feminine terms (Matthew 23:37, Luke 15:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 2:7-8).

5. In James, although the Greek word "adelphoi" is translated into English 14 times as "brothers and sisters", in James 3:1 it is curiously mistranslated as addressing only male teachers.

6. When Peter wrote that women are the "weaker" vessel, he was actually saying that they are to be treated with dignity and respect, like "fine-china" (1 Peter 3:7).

7. When Paul wrote to Timothy, he was addressing a specific woman in Ephesus who needed to be silenced in Timothy's meetings, He was not laying down a rule for all women, everywhere, for all time (1 Timothy 2:1 1-12).

8. When Paul wrote to Corinth, he was replying to their previous letter (1 Cor. 7:1), which he then quoted (14:34-35) and rebuked (14:36-40).

9. Jesus had very special interactions with women: Speaking privately with the woman at the well, Mary Magdalene crying on his feet, Mary the first to see Him resurrected, Mary sitting and learning at his feet, among many other

10.The New Covenant removed the curse of the Garden of Eden, and in Christ equality is restored (Galatians 3:28).
 
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Owei wait for the answers. Heck will most likely break loose here
Well there were woman in power..very much
Deborah, Esther, Mary,...
The spirit of God was never limited to only men. Not in the OT or NT
I thought you knew me better. :(
 

miknik5

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What does the bible say about oppressing women? Does anyone know anything about that? I’m asking because I had a huge discussion (I’d almost call it a fight actually) with a classmate about this subject, she’s an Atheist and is convinced that the bible is completely false and that it says Christians should oppress women. I mean, I agree that it talks a lot about women oppression, but that does not mean we should do it. Those are stories, but not all of them are requests/demands. But I have to admit: I’m not 100% sure about my thesis ^-^; All I know is that God is good and oppression definitely isn’t, so why would He ever support oppression?

I already asked someone a similar question and he responded like this:

"
Back in those times, women were very.....well, uneducated. They were often "ratchet" and just not good for speaking to others about God and demonstrating mature and proper behavior (not all but majority women), so God did not want such people being in charge of just about anything. However, this has obviously changed especially in today's era where women are just as capable as men are.That being said, just keep in mind that God likes structure and order. He, for whatever divine and infinitely wise reasons He has prefers that men remain in charge and the head and leaders and women work beneath the man. Does this mean women cannot and should not preach, lead, and speak? Of course not! Women today should be just as hype for God and His work as men are! Many women are amazing preachers and have amazing hearts for ministry! But God would just prefer that they are under the power of a man who is just as strong in his ministry or even stronger. This does not mean the woman is now "weaker" or less valuable and etc, but more of she is just following custom and structure. She is still capable of doing all God has called her to do, but just does not have the title as the "Head Pastor" or something."


But that makes me wonder about something: Why doesn't the bible say something like "oh, I don't want women to be in charge when it comes to certain positions, BUT eventually there will be a time where women will be educated enough to be capable of it"
There are lot of prophecies in the bible, so why are there no predictions about this specific subject? (if that makes sense)

I'd highly appreciate your responses! :)
Do you believe THE TRUTH of JESUS CHRIST and that throughout the Old Teatamwnt WORD of GOD, GOD was ever and always pointing to HIS SON?

if you do, it will change your approach and understanding to your thesis on women in the Old Testament Scriptures
 
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Well God isn't opposed to women being educated or anyone for that manner. God wants all of his people to spread the gospel. Though the scriptures talk about the positions in the church that doesn't mean women cant lead people they come across daily to Christ.
 
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What does the bible say about oppressing women? Does anyone know anything about that? I’m asking because I had a huge discussion (I’d almost call it a fight actually) with a classmate about this subject, she’s an Atheist and is convinced that the bible is completely false and that it says Christians should oppress women. I mean, I agree that it talks a lot about women oppression, but that does not mean we should do it. Those are stories, but not all of them are requests/demands. But I have to admit: I’m not 100% sure about my thesis ^-^; All I know is that God is good and oppression definitely isn’t, so why would He ever support oppression?

I already asked someone a similar question and he responded like this:

"
Back in those times, women were very.....well, uneducated. They were often "ratchet" and just not good for speaking to others about God and demonstrating mature and proper behavior (not all but majority women), so God did not want such people being in charge of just about anything. However, this has obviously changed especially in today's era where women are just as capable as men are.That being said, just keep in mind that God likes structure and order. He, for whatever divine and infinitely wise reasons He has prefers that men remain in charge and the head and leaders and women work beneath the man. Does this mean women cannot and should not preach, lead, and speak? Of course not! Women today should be just as hype for God and His work as men are! Many women are amazing preachers and have amazing hearts for ministry! But God would just prefer that they are under the power of a man who is just as strong in his ministry or even stronger. This does not mean the woman is now "weaker" or less valuable and etc, but more of she is just following custom and structure. She is still capable of doing all God has called her to do, but just does not have the title as the "Head Pastor" or something."


But that makes me wonder about something: Why doesn't the bible say something like "oh, I don't want women to be in charge when it comes to certain positions, BUT eventually there will be a time where women will be educated enough to be capable of it"
There are lot of prophecies in the bible, so why are there no predictions about this specific subject? (if that makes sense)

I'd highly appreciate your responses! :)
You think the Bible talks a lot about women's oppression? And you don't know why there aren't a lot of prophecies about that subject? Seriously. Time for you to actually read the Bible!

How long does it take you to read a book? Just read it! After all, you plan to come back time and again to this post to see what homework people are willing to do for you, so use that time to just read it.
 

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Men in the past had a different culture and didn't respect women like present time men, so no you don't oppress women, hope I helped ^_^
Even in today's world I don't believe that modern men generally respect modern women.
 

miknik5

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What does the bible say about oppressing women? Does anyone know anything about that? I’m asking because I had a huge discussion (I’d almost call it a fight actually) with a classmate about this subject, she’s an Atheist and is convinced that the bible is completely false and that it says Christians should oppress women. I mean, I agree that it talks a lot about women oppression, but that does not mean we should do it. Those are stories, but not all of them are requests/demands. But I have to admit: I’m not 100% sure about my thesis ^-^; All I know is that God is good and oppression definitely isn’t, so why would He ever support oppression?

I already asked someone a similar question and he responded like this:

"
Back in those times, women were very.....well, uneducated. They were often "ratchet" and just not good for speaking to others about God and demonstrating mature and proper behavior (not all but majority women), so God did not want such people being in charge of just about anything. However, this has obviously changed especially in today's era where women are just as capable as men are.That being said, just keep in mind that God likes structure and order. He, for whatever divine and infinitely wise reasons He has prefers that men remain in charge and the head and leaders and women work beneath the man. Does this mean women cannot and should not preach, lead, and speak? Of course not! Women today should be just as hype for God and His work as men are! Many women are amazing preachers and have amazing hearts for ministry! But God would just prefer that they are under the power of a man who is just as strong in his ministry or even stronger. This does not mean the woman is now "weaker" or less valuable and etc, but more of she is just following custom and structure. She is still capable of doing all God has called her to do, but just does not have the title as the "Head Pastor" or something."


But that makes me wonder about something: Why doesn't the bible say something like "oh, I don't want women to be in charge when it comes to certain positions, BUT eventually there will be a time where women will be educated enough to be capable of it"
There are lot of prophecies in the bible, so why are there no predictions about this specific subject? (if that makes sense)

I'd highly appreciate your responses! :)
There are no prophecies about the man and the woman because the WORD of GOD was to lead all of creation back to THE BRIDEGROOM, who is CHRIST


Man and woman together were supposed to complete one another and they were supposss to be a picture of a wedding covenant

but both are not perfect and both don't always do even what they were naturally designed to do

A man apart from the woman is viewed as strong and steadfast and not easily swayed emotionally
A woman apart from the man is viewed as the weaker vessel, fickle, and more easily swayed emotionally

but together the two were supposed to "perfect" one another so that the man "strengthened" the woman and so that the woman "softened" the man so that together they are one and complete

That was the natural part and order and design for the marriage ( one flesh) relationship of the story
 

miknik5

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But THE WORD of GOD was really to bring us to CHRIST
For the TESTIMONY (GOD's TESTIMONY/the written WORD) of JESUS is THE SPIRIT of prophecy (pointing us to ultimately CHRIST JESUS )

sobthat what was taken out from Adam and we became separate is put back into CHRIST and we become one in CH
 
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Magenta

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The interesting thing about your friend's response in saying that women were uneducated in those days, is that they seem to completely overlook the reason why women were uneducated in those days. Who kept them down? They did not have any rights and were treated like property, by whom? If you look at what has been happening in some places today, very similar things are still going on. Women are being punished for seeking to educate themselves, and live like individuals with God-given human rights. It looks like this:

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miknik5

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The interesting thing about your friend's response in saying that women were uneducated in those days, is that they seem to completely overlook the reason why women were uneducated in those days. Who kept them down? They did not have any rights and were treated like property, by whom? If you look at what has been happening in some places today, very similar things are still going on. Women are being punished for seeking to educate themselves, and live like individuals with God-given human rights. It looks like this:

The men who have done this will pay for their "misrepresenting" of GOD's SPIRIT
 
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Hi Cat; The part of the response by your friend that said, He(God) prefers that men remain in charge and the head and leaders, is correct except God does not prefer it, God commands it.
 

miknik5

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This is not GOD's GRACE in the world. This is a picture of man's misuse of his natural physical strength
 
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The men who have done this will pay for their "misrepresenting" of GOD's SPIRIT
They work for Satan...
Tagging onto a theme often lauded here as being followed by all of us.... as much as we may not understand it, or like it, there is every possibility they could me completely forgiven.
 

miknik5

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Please everyone

dont lose sight that this is an 18 year old girl