Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner

AllenW · May 1, 2017

Famous quote by Bruce Jenner:

“Waving the flag at the 1976 Olympics wasn't my idea. It was too much apple pie and ice cream. Not that I don't love my country, but I felt it was my victory up there, I put all the time into it.”

Bruce Jenner quotes (American Athlete, b.1949)

Famous quote by Caitlyn Jenner:

"First of all, I try to be a positive role model."

Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner.
Interesting note here:

Caitlyn Jenner says she's a Christian. What does that mean for Christianity?

Question: Is it possible for Bruce/Caitlyn to be saved?
OSAS.
Could that apply here?

FranC · May 1, 2017

AllenW said:

If one believes in OSAS, he must believe in it for all circumstances.

I don't believe it. I believe salvation can be lost.

But can it be lost in this case?
Only God knows. Only God knows why Bruce did this or the condition of his mind or emotions or psychy, or combination of all.

It's not for us to judge.

Personally, I believe that if one knows God and follows the Lord Jesus, he would not be inclined to do something as drastic as this. He would be more inclined to accept himself as God accepts him.

Jesus left us with two Great Commandments:
Mathew 22:37-40

Love God, Love YOURSELF, Love your neighbor.

Does Bruce love himself/herself??

If he did, he would have been better off.

dcontroversal · May 1, 2017

Peter did say we can backslide to a seared conscience and forget that we have been purged in Christ.....sin is sin......a white lie is as much of a sin as murder......

For the record....Only God can judge for sure.....regardless....this whole Bruce to Caitlyn deal makes me want to spew........!

AllenW · May 1, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I spew when someone skins an animal.
I had nightmares after I saw a medical movie on how a facelift is done.
I kept seeing these women walking towards me with their faces hanging down below their chins.
Oh my, I hope I don't start having nightmares again.

notuptome · May 1, 2017

A person can say whatever they want but we are to know by their conduct who is their master. The pope says he is the judge of all that is Christian.

What fruit do you have for Jenner? The whole family cries out for help.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Grace777x70 · May 1, 2017

On a side note: I think this whole "transgender" thing is being done now along with people trying to find their "identity" which is why countries are splitting up into groups of people trying to "find themselves". People divorcing their spouses to "find themselves".

All this is indicative of what God is doing now in the spiritual realm in the earth. Telling people who they are in Christ. That they are the righteousness of God in Christ - loved deeply by God. That His view of you is your only true identity.

People can get messed up in their minds with their un-renewed minds but as far as being joined in union as one spirit with the Lord goes - true biblical faith is of the heart when we hear the message of Christ and believe in our heart ( not in our heads ) and are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13

I have heard of people that got mad at God in their minds and emotions because they were told God killed their baby to teach them something. Our minds will not trust a being like that. We are not designed by God to trust in someone with that kind of thinking.

The Lord knows those that belong to Him and He will be faithful to them.

Anyway, I believe this whole "transgender" thing is people's attempt to find true identity which God is now speaking into the world. We all need to humble ourselves and submit to what God says about a subject including our true identity in Christ.

Ugly · May 1, 2017

AllenW said:

Further defame someone to a group that already thinks little of the individual, just to rehash a dead horse argument, and twist the situation into trying to prove your view. But, really, your argument fails right from the start. Jenner is as Christian as he is a woman. Meaning he may 'identify' that way but that doesn't change the truth that he's not. Many people wear the title but the bible makes it clear that it doesn't mean God truly knows the person.
This may have worked better if A) you hadn't tried to add irrelevant points from the start to make Jenner look worse and B) if you had used someone who had a long history of being a reputable and respected Christian. Something i've never heard about Jenner before.

FranC · May 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I can't remember his name, but a man who became a woman and then was sorry he did and changed back into a man again (I know...it's confusing!) wrote a book about this. He's trying to warn people about this very confusion that you speak of.

I know of a program on TV, a reality type program, that shows CHILDREN who are not sure if they're a boy or a girl and are thinking already of having a sex change when they're older.

Seems like we're getting farther and farther away from God.

Sooner or later someone will post this, so here goes:
Genesis 1:27

Of course, the unanswered question (so far) is: Are persons born that way or do they become that way?
Nature or Nurture.

FranC · May 1, 2017

Ugly said:

Further defame someone to a group that already thinks little of the individual, just to rehash a dead horse argument, and twist the situation into trying to prove your view. But, really, your argument fails right from the start. Jenner is as Christian as he is a woman. Meaning he may 'identify' that way but that doesn't change the truth that he's not. Many people wear the title but the bible makes it clear that it doesn't mean God truly knows the person.
This may have worked better if A) you hadn't tried to add irrelevant points from the start to make Jenner look worse and B) if you had used someone who had a long history of being a reputable and respected Christian. Something i've never heard about Jenner before.

How is this a dead horse argument??
I'm new here and I've never heard this before.
Give us new folk a break!!

And stop winking at the girls!
I've told you this before...

AllenW · May 1, 2017

Ugly said:

Further defame someone to a group that already thinks little of the individual, just to rehash a dead horse argument, and twist the situation into trying to prove your view. But, really, your argument fails right from the start. Jenner is as Christian as he is a woman. Meaning he may 'identify' that way but that doesn't change the truth that he's not. Many people wear the title but the bible makes it clear that it doesn't mean God truly knows the person.
This may have worked better if A) you hadn't tried to add irrelevant points from the start to make Jenner look worse and B) if you had used someone who had a long history of being a reputable and respected Christian. Something i've never heard about Jenner before.

It's hard to listen to someone who's always hiding in that avatar.
I wonder what a real face of you would do to the responses you receive.
You probably couldn't handle it.

resurrection33 · May 1, 2017

AllenW said:

Salvation is a day to day thing. When you sin, you suffer. For example, if I rob a bank, I go to prison. When we repent of our sin, our worries disappear.

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezek 33:17-20 RSV

PrynceNY · May 1, 2017

Bruce can be saved but he needs to give up that transgender lifestyle. If he goes around promoting it as if its something God approves he will be judged. Also people should stop referring to him as a she.

dcontroversal · May 1, 2017

PrynceNY said:

Absolutely.........the bolded

blue_ladybug · May 1, 2017

Bruce Jenner is still a man. No amount of corrective surgery, hormones, other hoo haw, will turn him into a woman. He was born a man and will die a man. :/ To me, Bruce just looks like a man dressed in drag.. And poorly too.. lol

tourist · May 1, 2017

AllenW said:

Absolutely OSAS can apply here. Why would a particular sin destroy your salvation which was assured by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for your sins? Specifically, what sin did Bruce Jenner commit that would make you question his salvation? Jenner's being a Christian doesn't mean a thing for Christianity because repenting of sin and contritely confess to Jesus, accepting His sacrifice and inviting Him into one's heart is a personal decision.

joaniemarie · May 1, 2017

Just seeing his name annoyed me. I see this huge man dressed up in a dress and heels with hair extensions.

trying to walk on stage clunking along in his heels and dress looking ridiculous. What is wrong with this picture you people in the world?

I'm a conservative politically so I've been thoroughly disgusted by this confusion in the world. It's taken hold and now people want to be called not male, not female but by their own pronoun. Then as if that's not enough., they are forcing everyone else to join into their delusion.

I find so much solace knowing that the Bible tells us about such things. Good is called evil and evil is called good. Confusion is a spirit. We are in a spiritual battle for the hearts and minds and souls of people. We have seen it even in our own lives if we have lived a while. It's easy for satan to capture people's minds who don't know Jesus. And even those who are Christians can be deceived. So important we be changed by the renewing of our minds by reading the Word and allowing the Holy Spirit to minister truth to our hearts and minds.

I've listened to political debates and if you don't know firmly where you stand and are able to give an answer you can be sucked in. This world is a mess. I'm so thankful we believers have been given the Holy Spirit to be protected in our minds. For God has not given us the "spirit" of fear but of power and love and a SOUND MIND. Thank You Jesus.

mattinbirmingham · May 1, 2017

All of us sin and fall short. People make decisions which are less than what God's best but I don't think that means they lose their salvation. In the end I don't think it is for us to say whether someone is saved. Only God knows that.

samuel23 · May 1, 2017

Bruce Jenner was possibly the best athlete of the last century. You think about it, what a coup for Satan, he actually has perverted one of the finest examples of male humanity into pretending that he is a woman, and all the evil media that are controlled by Satan are rejoicing.

joaniemarie · May 1, 2017

It also goes to show human greatness with all it's vital beauty and strength and magnetism are worthless without Jesus Christ. It will fade like the flowers and grass in the beautiful fields and be shriveled and die. It's like "a wave in the ocean" There one second, gone the next.

Issachar92 · May 1, 2017

I rate this H for Hogwash.

Not a christian at all.
I diagnose it a weirdo

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