Son's of God Genesis 6:1-8

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What is the purpose of a teacher if he does not have any authority :)
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He has no authority other than the scriptures. I have been a preacher and a teacher for over 40 years and I have always operated on this principle. There is nothing special about me or any other teacher or preacher. We will all be held accountable for how we treat this book.
 
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He has no authority other than the scriptures. I have been a preacher and a teacher for over 40 years and I have always operated on this principle. There is nothing special about me or any other teacher or preacher. We will all be held accountable for how we treat this book.
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So who were you learning from before you became a teacher?
 
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So who were you learning from before you became a teacher?
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We all have influences in our lives from the time we are born. When I became old enough to examine scripture for myself I resolved to try to do so by dismissing all outside influences and allow the language of the text to formulate my theology. When we read scripture, we have an unfailing habit of trying to interpret the text. For some reason, we feel that this is the only way we can come to understand its meaning. The problem with interpretation is that it always starts with human reason being force onto the text rather than with the language of the test being allowed to entrain the mind. I am sure that you recognize the fact that the interpretation of any text is as varied as the number of people who read it. Interpretation is always the product of human intelligence operating on the test. Peter says that we do not have the right to approach scripture in this way, 2 Pet. 1:20.

Naturally, none of us like to think that our positions are a matter of bias. The truth is that everything we believe and accept as truth is a matter of bias. This is the simple truth of it. One can be biased toward truth or one can be biased toward error yet, no one willingly believes a lie if he knows it to a lie. This phenomenon is what is known in psychology as "privileged access." We all like to trust that what we hold as truth is indeed truth. I attempt to eliminate any bias as much as possible (Though I do not believe any of us will ever master this 100%) by examining the grammatical structure of any text. I am not interested in defending any particular doctrine. I am interested only in upholding the integrity of the text and at times that has meant that I have had to change my views on some things. I am not interested in who is right, I care only about WHAT is right.
 
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We all have influences in our lives from the time we are born. When I became old enough to examine scripture for myself I resolved to try to do so by dismissing all outside influences and allow the language of the text to formulate my theology. When we read scripture, we have an unfailing habit of trying to interpret the text. For some reason, we feel that this is the only way we can come to understand its meaning. The problem with interpretation is that it always starts with human reason being force onto the text rather than with the language of the test being allowed to entrain the mind. I am sure that you recognize the fact that the interpretation of any text is as varied as the number of people who read it. Interpretation is always the product of human intelligence operating on the test. Peter says that we do not have the right to approach scripture in this way, 2 Pet. 1:20.

Naturally, none of us like to think that our positions are a matter of bias. The truth is that everything we believe and accept as truth is a matter of bias. This is the simple truth of it. One can be biased toward truth or one can be biased toward error yet, no one willingly believes a lie if he knows it to a lie. This phenomenon is what is known in psychology as "privileged access." We all like to trust that what we hold as truth is indeed truth. I attempt to eliminate any bias as much as possible (Though I do not believe any of us will ever master this 100%) by examining the grammatical structure of any text. I am not interested in defending any particular doctrine. I am interested only in upholding the integrity of the text and at times that has meant that I have had to change my views on some things. I am not interested in who is right, I care only about WHAT is right.
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So, have you read the sethite theory from someone or you just read the Genesis and said to yourself "it must be the line of Seth!"? :)
 
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So, have you read the sethite theory from someone or you just read the Genesis and said to yourself "it must be the line of Seth!"? :)
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Actually, I had never heard of the sethite theory until I had began debating this issue with others. I came to this conclusion based on the overall context of chapters 4-6
 
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oldhermit said:
Actually, I had never heard of the sethite theory until I had began debating this issue with others. I came to this conclusion based on the overall context of chapters 4-6
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Sincerely, you have never heard or read this explanation and you came up with it alone?

BTW, where are demons from? :)
 
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Sincerely, you have never heard or read this explanation and you came up with it alone?

BTW, where are demons from? :)
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I came to this conclusion way before I ever even heard that anyone had labeled this the sethite theory. I seldom read outside sources. If you want to know this book, then learn to read this book and not the opinions of what others think this book is saying.
 
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oldhermit said:
I came to this conclusion way before I ever even heard that anyone had labeled this the sethite theory. I seldom read outside sources. If you want to know this book, then learn to read this book and not the opinions of what others think this book is saying.
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Then recognise that the 'bene Haelohim' are angelic beings and that the phrase is NEVER used in Scripture of human beings, whereas it IS used of Satan and those who come before God with him..

and remember you will be accountable for how you use this book.
 
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oldhermit said:
I came to this conclusion way before I ever even heard that anyone had labeled this the sethite theory. I seldom read outside sources. If you want to know this book, then learn to read this book and not the opinions of what others think this book is saying.
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And where are demons from? :)
 
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trofimus said:
Sincerely, you have never heard or read this explanation and you came up with it alone?

BTW, where are demons from? :)
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Scripture is rather silent on where demons came from or exactly who or what they are. For whatever reason, God has chosen not to reveal this information and all we can do is speculate and speculation is of little value.
 
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If you want to know how I determine the context of Gen 4-6 let me show you. The context of chapters 4-6 is the decline of human culture. What one must determine from these three chapters is, when did it begin, how did it begin, what were the contributing factors, who was involved, how long was this process, and what was the ultimate outcome?
 
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oldhermit said:
Scripture is rather silent on where demons came from or exactly who or what they are. For whatever reason, God has chosen not to reveal this information and all we can do is speculate and speculation is of little value.
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Actually, there is a logical answer, you just must accept the angel theory :)

Next question - what happened to fallen angels?
 
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oldhermit said:
The problem with this theory is the profound lack of evidence form scripture. There simply is none.
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In that case, there is no proof for the Seth line, too.

And you also do not have explanation for demons and other things, then.
 
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In that case, there is no proof for the Seth line, too.

And you also do not have explanation for demons and other things, then.
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You are assuming that the only possible explanation for the existence for demons is that they are fallen angels. This is a possibility but again scripture does not tell us this. Speculation is not evidence.
 
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